NC - Two Duke Lacrosse Players Indicted

[sherri79]

AG released report today

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=central&id=5236685

 

[tezi]

AG released report today

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=central&id=5236685

That news report was interesting. I find it very interesting that she showed up to meet with authorities earlier this month under the influence of prescription drugs. Who's watching the new baby while she under the influence?

I hope Nifong faces the most serious charges and is disbarred. I wonder what sort of half-truths he told grand jury that indicted these boys?:doh:

 

[sherri79]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271593,00.html Durham City Manager Says Police Improperly Handled Duke Rape Case

um... yeah they did.

 

[Nova]

Back at the beginning, neighbors told reporters that the team members living in the home, along with their guests, had been trouble makers in the neighborhood. The people living nearby had called the cops on them several times for loud parties and screaming racial slurs. Neighbors also backed up the second dancer's original complaint of racial slurs and name-calling toward her. Yes, they were arrogant, disrespectful bullies.

No, they didn't "deserve" being accused of rape when they were innocent, but they set the wheels in motion when they ordered two female strippers -- specifically requesting black strippers -- to a house full of drunk athletes. That is what you call "leading with your chin." They set themselves up. So did the girls.

Like I said, no heros here.

Thank you, Angela. Perfectly put.

Nobody here thinks lacrosse players should be imprisoned for a rape they didn't commit. But that doesn't mean we have to pretend they are angels. (At least not as a group; whether the specific three defendants were individually involved in the prior incidents, I don't know.)

 

[mister happy]

Thank you, Angela. Perfectly put.

Nobody here thinks lacrosse players should be imprisoned for a rape they didn't commit. But that doesn't mean we have to pretend they are angels. (At least not as a group; whether the specific three defendants were individually involved in the prior incidents, I don't know.)

Ha. I don't think her post was "perfectly put".

 

[sherri79]

Thank you, Angela. Perfectly put.

Nobody here thinks lacrosse players should be imprisoned for a rape they didn't commit. But that doesn't mean we have to pretend they are angels. (At least not as a group; whether the specific three defendants were individually involved in the prior incidents, I don't know.)

i don't see how the fact the boys have done things in the past factors in here. if they had committed sex crimes in the past i guess i could see why it would be ok for the DA and police to frame them for a crime but i ain't sure yelling racist remarks or having loud parties rises to the standard we set to falsely imprison people.

ps. we need a special font for sarcasm.

 

[Masterj]

I found it very interesting that one of the accused young men has been given a job on wall street with a six figure salary. I don't know of ANY right of college grad that gets that kind of a salary for their first job.

 

[MSM]

I recently read the report released by the NC prosecutors (link below), and found it ironic that the first racial slur uttered that night came from the other dancer (see p. 8 of the report). It's crazy that this girl shouted something racist at the players, then called 911 to report them for responding in kind. That fact was never mentioned in any of the media coverage.

Also, as to earlier assertions on this thread that the players were behaving badly and were "asking for trouble," I am hard pressed to find anything really bad in their behavior that night. The worst that I can see is some underaged drinking and an ill-advised comment about using a broom as a sexual device. That's it. Everything they did aside from underage drinking is perfectly legal. The players paid these two pieces of trash $800 for a 10 minute performance, then spent the rest of the time apologizing to them for the broom comment. In return, they got called a racist name and reported to 911 by one dancer, and we all know what the other dancer did. They were asking for it? Give me a break.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0427071duke1.html

 

[mister happy]

I recently read the report released by the NC prosecutors (link below), and found it ironic that the first racial slur uttered that night came from the other dancer (see p. 8 of the report). It's crazy that this girl shouted something racist at the players, then called 911 to report them for responding in kind. That fact was never mentioned in any of the media coverage.

Also, as to earlier assertions on this thread that the players were behaving badly and were "asking for trouble," I am hard pressed to find anything really bad in their behavior that night. The worst that I can see is some underaged drinking and an ill-advised comment about using a broom as a sexual device. That's it. Everything they did aside from underage drinking is perfectly legal. The players paid these two pieces of trash $800 for a 10 minute performance, then spent the rest of the time apologizing to them for the broom comment. In return, they got called a racist name and reported to 911 by one dancer, and we all know what the other dancer did. They were asking for it? Give me a break.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0427071duke1.html

I agree X 2. As I said before, I'm so sick of people nit-picking on these students in spite of all the lies perpetuated upon them. It's like comparing a toothpick to a redwood tree.

 

[Nova]

i don't see how the fact the boys have done things in the past factors in here. if they had committed sex crimes in the past i guess i could see why it would be ok for the DA and police to frame them for a crime but i ain't sure yelling racist remarks or having loud parties rises to the standard we set to falsely imprison people.

ps. we need a special font for sarcasm.

Read the very post of mine you quoted. I said the same thing you did. Saying the lacrosse team as a group aren't innocent angels isn't saying "they must have done something, so frame them for rape."

The past of the lacrosse team members factor in only as people begin to mythologize them as "perfect." They aren't.

 

[angelmom]

Read the very post of mine you quoted. I said the same thing you did. Saying the lacrosse team as a group aren't innocent angels isn't saying "they must have done something, so frame them for rape."

The past of the lacrosse team members factor in only as people begin to mythologize them as "perfect." They aren't.

And I would like to see where anyone has said these guys are "perfect." I haven't seen a post even suggesting they were even particularly nice guys. Just that they didn't deserve to be falsely accused and kicked out of school.

 

[MSM]

I don't recall seeing a single post on WS claiming that these boys are perfect angels.

What I do recall is a long string of highly critical posts assuming their guilt, and a lot of name-calling and reverse racism and classism. Turns out that the people who wrote those posts were actually bashing the victims in this case. They didn't deserve to be falsely accused, and they didn't deserve the firestorm of criticism that was unleashed on them by Nifong, Duke faculty, the media, and bloggers, including some right here on WS. If I was in their position, I'd be tempted to sue the pants off of everyone involved. I think they have handled themselves publicly with remarkable restraint, given what was done to them.

So to anyone that wants to criticize them some more, I say enough.

 

[MSM]

More food for thought:

Why is it that we can agree it's wrong to say a woman was asking to be raped if she dressed suggestively, but somehow there are people on this board who think it's OK to say that these boys were "asking" to be accused of rape because they hired strippers? You really can't have it both ways. And this is coming from a woman, so don't attack me for not understanding a woman's point of view.

 

[Masterj]

More food for thought:

Why is it that we can agree it's wrong to say a woman was asking to be raped if she dressed suggestively, but somehow there are people on this board who think it's OK to say that these boys were "asking" to be accused of rape because they hired strippers? You really can't have it both ways. And this is coming from a woman, so don't attack me for not understanding a woman's point of view.

No one has said they were "asking" to be accused of rape by hiring strippers.

 

[MSM]

This is what I am referring to, the idea that their actions resulted in the false accusation:

No, they didn't "deserve" being accused of rape when they were innocent, but they set the wheels in motion when they ordered two female strippers -- specifically requesting black strippers -- to a house full of drunk athletes. That is what you call "leading with your chin." They set themselves up. So did the girls.

 

[L L & S]

I do not know if this has been referenced elsewehere regarding this case, but I found it pretty interesting....

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/09/understanding-sane.html

The blog is by a professor in NY and he has been covering this from the start and is collaborating with another professor to write a book. Needless to say Duke Univ ain't gonna like what it has to say about it's staff who have gone so far to the left they can't see the truth in front of them. Yikes!

As I said sorry if it's been refrenced elsewhere, but you guys have done a great job with so much info on this and I cannot wade through all of it right now.

Curious 1, I have been quoting DIW over in the Janet Abaroa forum off and on for a while now. KC Johnson's blog is really impressive. I've been reading there for a long time. As a matter of fact I started searching over there this morning to get a back up link for a incorrect statement made earlier on this thread. Can't find the link but I will tell you it's been discussed over at DIW more than once (and I will keep looking) but IIRC the LaX team didn't specifically ask for Black Girls to be sent over to dance... they asked for White or Hispanic girls. Like I said, I am currently looking for the link for you now. I will come back and post the link as soon as I find it. If anyone wants to jump in here and help me out that would be great.

I have put KC's book in my wish list at Amazon... can't wait to read it!

Happy Mother's Day to everyone.

 

[calus_3]

Great news all, Nifrogs trial on State Bar Charges starts today:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280953,00.html

Finnerty and Seligmann will be there along with their defense attorneys (very smart) and family members. Go get 'em Dukies!

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[SewingDeb]

Great news all, Nifrogs trial on State Bar Charges starts today:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280953,00.html

Finnerty and Seligmann will be there along with their defense attorneys (very smart) and family members. Go get 'em Dukies!

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WXII is live streaming this trial:

http://www.wxii12.com/video/1348624...gws_break&ts=T&tmi=gws_break_1_09000206122007

 

[ipswitch]

Another site to go to for streaming video coverage is www.wral.com if wxii is overloaded, and I think nbc17.com is covering it too, but I'm not positive.

 

[MSM]

I am so curious to see what happens! I would love to see Nifong get disbarred for this, but I bet it won't really happen. I just have this feeling he's going to get away with messing up these kids' lives with a slap on the wrist.