NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #12

[Tikki]

Nothing. There is one thing that concerns me - if AB is 'cleared' of any wrong doing he will come back here and make money via exclusive interviews. If it's not him, my guess is family members here in Australia will grant interviews for $$$. No matter how decent we may think his family are, you wait, if there's a big fat cheque waved under their nose, they will spill. Makes me sick to be honest that people stoop that low. I also wouldn't be surprised if the bio Mum comes out of the woodwork and tells (sells *ahem*) her 'story'.

bbm

:sick:

 

[sarx]

I do believe they used luminol on that hosue today. And it was quite telling that the one dog handler that spoke with Natisha Lance wouldn't comment on any hits in the house - I think Natisha said she was told that she would have to ask LE about that. Kinda lame iffen ya ask me - real quick to pipe up that there were no hits outside but you have to ask LE about if there were any hits inside the house.

A good SAR member is going to say just that, it's the standard line leaving it completely open ended as to not say one way or the other. They should not be talking to the media or anyone for that fact about anything involving a case. It is protocol and doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

 

[sadnpod]

Sounds like an excellent guess to me, Pudd!

 

[pudd]

Nothing. There is one thing that concerns me - if AB is 'cleared' of any wrong doing he will come back here and make money via exclusive interviews. If it's not him, my guess is family members here in Australia will grant interviews for $$$. No matter how decent we may think his family are, you wait, if there's a big fat cheque waved under their nose, they will spill. Makes me sick to be honest that people stoop that low. I also wouldn't be surprised if the bio Mum comes out of the woodwork and tells (sells *ahem*) her 'story'.

Ok, then for the love of WS and y'all (ooh, learning to speak American!) I will sacrifice my evening and watch Every Single News on TV this evening and see what's being reported about it.

 

[darnudes]

I do believe the drugs were taking over every aspect of both their lives. The downward spiral was quite obvious and getting out of control.

Maybe Zahra getting older had told them that she was going to tell someone about the drug use?

No, they were afraid of someone finding out. Someone that wouldn't have believe them if they said Zahra went back to Australia. We just have to figure out WHO that someone was. I don't think it was DCS - they would have accepted the back to Australia excuse - maybe. Who were they afraid of?

One reason KB may be keeping schtum is I can well imagine that AB had ISSUES in Australia.

 

[ilovemew]

Ok, then for the love of WS and y'all (ooh, learning to speak American!) I will sacrifice my evening and watch Every Single News on TV this evening and see what's being reported about it.

LMAO :floorlaugh: :blowkiss:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

A good SAR member is going to say just that, it's the standard line leaving it completely open ended as to not say one way or the other. They should not be talking to the media or anyone for that fact about anything involving a case. It is protocol and doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

I agree but why not say that about hits on the outside as well? Same comment all the time instead of saying no hits outside but you have to ask LE about inside - I think that kinda answers the question (in a roundabout way) - no?

 

[Moonlit]

Ok, then for the love of WS and y'all (ooh, learning to speak American!) I will sacrifice my evening and watch Every Single News on TV this evening and see what's being reported about it.

OOOH! Not only American--Southern!!

 

[lauriej]

She has 10 or so variations of her name... I don't know how many times she's been married though...2 that I know of....

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13329351

Who is Elisa Baker?

(snipped.)

WBTV has uncovered new details about Elisa Baker. She has been married at least three times, and she had children with two boyfriends.

One of Baker's daughters is Brittany Starbuck.

Baker’s second daughter is Amber Fairchild and her father is Christopher Frank Hicks. Baker was never married to him.

Baker’s first marriage was in 1985 to Jerry Alan Winkler in Caldwell County. In 1997, she was married to Jeffrey Russell Allred in Caldwell County.

She also has a son named Douglas Proctor and his father is Douglas Joseph Proctor.

Her third marriage was to Adam Baker, whom she met online.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

One reason KB may be keeping schtum is I can well imagine that AB had ISSUES in Australia.

Kinda like maybe she had been calling and wanting to talk to Zahra? Yes, I can see that grammy in Oz would have been one person they would have been afraid of and the "we sent her back to Australia" line would definitely not worked.

Ok let's start a list of who they would have been afraid of finding out:

1) grandmother in Australia

now who else?

 

[pudd]

Sorry but I'm confused (big surprise LOL). Who is BB and what court date? TIA

Don't worry Mew, there's a lot of stuff to get through!

BB (EB's nephew's [ex?]wife) had brought charges against EB for threats to kill her or something, and the court date for that incident was last Friday. However, EB was a no-show. Of course, EB might have been a no-show becasue she was busy elsewhere trying to dispose of her poor neglected step-daughter.

 

[sarx]

I agree but why not say that about hits on the outside as well? Same comment all the time instead of saying no hits outside but you have to ask LE about inside - I think that kinda answers the question (in a roundabout way) - no?

I didn't see it. Did the handler say that to the camera or was that or any part of it the reporter saying it?

And... if the handler did say it to the camera the should NOT have.

Indeed, if they did say it to the camera (that distinction is critical) then yes, it does lend you to believe something is up, but is also possible they caught themselves and just corrected.

 

[agathawannabe]

I do believe the drugs were taking over every aspect of both their lives. The downward spiral was quite obvious and getting out of control.

Maybe Zahra getting older had told them that she was going to tell someone about the drug use?

No, they were afraid of someone finding out. Someone that wouldn't have believe them if they said Zahra went back to Australia. We just have to figure out WHO that someone was. I don't think it was DCS - they would have accepted the back to Australia excuse - maybe. Who were they afraid of?

There may have been multiple people EB was afraid of..

but I think she was definitely hot and bothered about the "threat" charges pending against her.

In May when BB filed the charges, EB posted on FB asking people to get their own lives and stay out of hers (5/23) and reminding that people who live in glass houses don't have secrets any more (5/27). I feel like her "glass houses" remark was meant to intimidate BB into backing down by hinting that she would expose BB's (now publicly admitted) pill addiction.

Then Friday, the day before the phantom kidnap, EB called BB in an effort to persuade her to drop the charges. My gut tells me the poor child was already deceased when this phone call was made and EB was afraid of being found out during court proceedings or shortly thereafter.

 

[lauriej]

------someone earlier in this thread asked about her many aliases:

· Here is a link to all SM's Aliases

Alisa F Allred
Alisa Baker
Alisa Annette Baker
Annette F Elisa
Elisa Fairchild
Elisa A Fairchild
Elisa Annette Fairchild
Elisa H Fairchild
Elisa Fairch Haris
Elisa Harris
Elisa A Harris
Elisa Annette Harris
Elisa F Harris
Elisa A Proctor

I guess Elesa Baker and Elesa Annette Baker are newer names she goes by!

http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/peo...sa/young.html#

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117050&page=9 #216
Actually, here are a couple more!!

Elisa Annette Putnam
Lisa Proctor

 

[ilovemew]

Kinda like maybe she had been calling and wanting to talk to Zahra? Yes, I can see that grammy in Oz would have been one person they would have been afraid of and the "we sent her back to Australia" line would definitely not worked.

Ok let's start a list of who they would have been afraid of finding out:

1) grandmother in Australia

now who else?

Zahra's bio mom who only very recently tracked down where AB and Z had moved to.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

On NG - Natisha Lance said tonight that she asked one of the handlers about hits on the outside and was told there were no hits outside. Then she asked about hits inside and the handler said she would have to ask LE about that.

Have to wait for the NG transcripts but that's what I heard

 

[sarx]

And can't remember who posted it, but I think the users viewing is smaller largely cuz it's the middle of the night for the east coast and pushing 11 for the west. Add to that no new news and people are just checking in, really not much point just sitting in here rehashing the same stuff, KWIM?

 

[AbbieNormal]

Thanks, not that I'm an expert on this stuff but I don't know if that is long enough to grow stuff without all the high tech expensive gear and it doesn't seem like they had access to that sort of money.

My brother didn't have big bucks and he managed to gather up all the stuff he used to grow his mess. I was visiting for a week from way way way out of town, took me 3 days to get there and I had wrapped up a butt ton of money to travel there. He had me put up in their family room on the sofa bed there, I found the grow room in a small room around the corner. I asked him whats this, he showed me and for the rest of my visit I was scared the cops would come rushing in to bust him and there I am sleeping in a room next to it...it ticked me off as I found it the 2nd day I was there and my trip was ruined after that. I was glad to get out of there and be on the way back home.

Family. Ugh.

 

[Tikki]

Kinda like maybe she had been calling and wanting to talk to Zahra? Yes, I can see that grammy in Oz would have been one person they would have been afraid of and the "we sent her back to Australia" line would definitely not worked.

Ok let's start a list of who they would have been afraid of finding out:

1) grandmother in Australia

now who else?

Child Health/DSS/School Authorities? Or maybe they werent even worried about that, seems like there were some very large cracks to fall through?

Maybe there were some "debts" owed in OZ? (unsavory types, ima tinkin?)

 

[pudd]

Yikes, it's 4:50pm here, and the first news is at 5pm I'll check:
Channel 10 (argh) 5pm
Channel 9 6pm
SBS 6:30pm
Channel 2 7pm
I'm cheap, I don't have cable I'll report back on "the state of mainstream media reporting in Australia" later in the evening.