NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #19

[Kat]

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Investigators-return-to-Zahra-Bakers-Hickory-home-105036589.html

video showing mattress... (((it looks old and duct taped)))

also..... note what the old landlord has to say about the last place they lived!!!! ((re squirrels)) I don't think those squirrels were in anyones' head!

Morning Nursie!

Do me a favor and have another look at these? I thought it was duct tape too, but then I noticed they had wrapped the rails in something as well and I'm not sure that the duct tape was to hold the twin mattress together but to hold the wrapping they used in order to transport the mattress to forensics?

Also, I had a look at the mattress that was pulled across the ground at the dump. The one taken from Zahra's home looks to be a twin size? (anyone disagree or agree?) and the one at the dump site (I only saw a vid of one of the mattresses I'm reading there might have been 2 they were interested in? Or am I wrong?) looked to be a full size bed by the way the 4 LE were dragging it?

What do you all think?

 

[NoeticSoul]

I'm about two hours away and can say for certain there is a respiratory virus in this area. I lost 4 days work and had to visit a doctor whom gave me antibiotics and prednisone. I was told if that didn't work I'd need those drugs IV. I know several people who have been affected and had to see doctors.

and yes I wash my hands regularly.

Thanks for letting me know! I really don't believe that she was beaten to death. I think that she had this flu as the father said, and it went untreated AND un-hydrated.. while Ah was away. This is the way she died I believe. IF she DID die of dehydration in her bed.. it would explain why they are looking for an old mattress.

All JMO

 

[Kat]

Do we have a screen capture of the mattress(es) at the dump? TIA!

 

[Kamille]

Good to know, thanks! I really don't believe that she was beaten to death. I think that she had this flu as the father said, and it went untreated AND un-hydrated.. while Ah was away. This is the way she died I believe.

All JMO

AB was never "away". I know that's been rumored but he was home Thursday and Friday night according to him.

 

[nursebeeme]

(((kat)))) you are right! (thanks for the close ups).. they do look 'newer' underneath the plastic. (esp the box spring)

wrapped for transport to the lab/taped up makes sense to me.

 

[Kat]

Wait...Is that two different twin mattresses coming out of that house or is that the same mattress with different shots? I can't figure it out. TIA

 

[Patty G]

Thanks Patty G. Looks like a different person to me. The alleged Walmart lady had blonde hair with black streaks.

It's possible she purchased dark colored hair dye and maybe left a portion of it blonde "allegeding" AF is the same person in Wal-Mart with a change in hair color for court.

IMO, it might be more presentable to change the color around the other way rather then blonde with black streaks to black with a little blonde streaks. :banghead:

 

[nursebeeme]

Do we have a screen capture of the mattress(es) at the dump? TIA!

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Investigators-return-to-Zahra-Bakers-Hickory-home-105036589.html

(mattress in video)

 

[Kat]

Nevermind it a box springs in the first (where we see that backside) and the other shot is of the mattress (see blue fabric covering of mattress). Gosh I need more coffee this morning LOL (it's 15 to 7 AM here ugh)

 

[NoeticSoul]

AB was never "away". I know that's been rumored but he was home Thursday and Friday night according to him.

That would then make him equally responsible for the neglected, indeed. Thank you, Kamille

 

[bellyup]

Thanks Patty G. Looks like a different person to me. The alleged Walmart lady had blonde hair with black streaks.

That's why I asked if the poster was still around. It's hard to determine if AF's hair is black with blonde streaks or blonde with black streaks. LOL

 

[hellinor]

Nevermind it a box springs in the first (where we see that backside) and the other shot is of the mattress (see blue fabric covering of mattress). Gosh I need more coffee this morning LOL (it's 15 to 7 AM here ugh)

Dont worry, 15 minutes before 1pm here and I wondered the same thing...

 

[tehcloser]

*BBM

Do we know that both vehicles, or either vehicle for that matter, hold any sort of significance in the case? Yes the police seized the vehicles, but have we seen anything that suggests they've been proven to be involved somehow?

The dogs hit on both vehicles. So I'm guessing that's why LE took them. I don't think that's in dispute, but IDK is it? :crazy:

 

[shefner]

Wait...Is that two different twin mattresses coming out of that house or is that the same mattress with different shots? I can't figure it out. TIA

One appears to be a box springs and the other a mattress, wrapped in plastic held on with duct tape.....both appear to be newer from the photos we are seeing. Of course, there is no way to tell without having a close-up view.

 

[TxLady2]

Nah I don't think so. That's just routine I would think.

It is routine, it's very much standard protocol to secure a search site or crime scene. Always. It has to do with not allowing anyone to compromise potential evidence, but also to discourage looky-loos AND reporters from giving out crucial information before they're ready to release it.

 

[tehcloser]

And where is this "AB was away" coming from? Is it a rumor? It has not been in any msn article, in fact if that were the case, I would think that would be a big part of his alibi and we would have heard it by now.

 

[watergirl]

That's why I asked if the poster was still around. It's hard to determine if AF's hair is black with blonde streaks or blonde with black streaks. LOL

looks dark brown with blonde streaks around face

 

[Peliman]

Regarding the matress from the home, this is mentioned in the news story, if you beleive the line below.

"NewsChannel 36 saw crews removing Zahra's mattresses and bed railings, saying search dogs will use these to constantly have her scent."

I'm sure forensics will be examining it first.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Investigators-return-to-Zahra-Bakers-Hickory-home-105036589.html

 

[bellyup]

About the dog "hits" on the car(s) ...

Has LE stated anything if they believe those hits were accurate or not ? Since it was the same time they were doing the wood chipper search (and they ruled out those hits as false leads) , I wonder if the hits on the car(s) were reliable. Were they the same dogs?

I also wanted to point out that even if they WERE implicated by the dogs and they WERE accurate ... the suspicion that a body was placed in both cars (ie; moved from one to the other) is pretty speculative. It's entirely possible that the dogs were picking up on clothing that had been exposed to the body (ie; the person wearing the clothing sat in both cars) or that items were in one car and not the other (ie; body in one, bedding / etc. in another) OR that just items were placed in or ON the cars (ie; bedding placed on the trunk of one car while fumbling to get the trunk open on the other). There are many possible situations in which the dogs could get an accurate hit on both cars.

 

[tehcloser]

About the dog "hits" on the car(s) ...

Has LE stated anything if they believe those hits were accurate or not ? Since it was the same time they were doing the wood chipper search (and they ruled out those hits as false leads) , I wonder if the hits on the car(s) were reliable. Were they the same dogs?

I also wanted to point out that even if they WERE implicated by the dogs and they WERE accurate ... the suspicion that a body was placed in both cars (ie; moved from one to the other) is pretty speculative. It's entirely possible that the dogs were picking up on clothing that had been exposed to the body (ie; the person wearing the clothing sat in both cars) or that items were in one car and not the other (ie; body in one, bedding / etc. in another) OR that just items were placed in or ON the cars (ie; bedding placed on the trunk of one car while fumbling to get the trunk open on the other). There are many possible situations in which the dogs could get an accurate hit on both cars.

I never said the body was in both cars, only that EB would have had to driven them both disposing of things.