NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #26

[gibby207]

My nails are scratching teh wall..... hi Teh. :rose:

is your hubby watchin? gasp! nevermind.

Am I suddenly reading texts in Kyron's forum? LOL :angel:

 

[gibby207]

I also WISH we knew where Nannie was! I'd love to send her a kind message!!!! <3

You and me both! I've been really hurting for her...

 

[JoeFromLB]

A prayer for Zahra, and then to sleep...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ ah yes, good old media reporting....I should know better really shouldn't I?

On the Elisabeth Baker as her name in the phone book issue, I'm thinking it's possible she just used that one for the utilities bill, hey she might have even got lucky there and they made the mistake themselves!

 

[simlyme]

Re http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2...ill-ar-485567/



I think perhaps we should make sure this isn't a somewhat exaggerated paraphrase before basing any assumptions off it. I could have sworn I saw other articles that said he "went to the police station to give a statement and was arrested while there". If true, that would be something slightly different, IMO.

Also, I'd think if he actually went to "turn himself in" he would have confessed to involvement in the process, and in turn it seems like he would have been charged with (at least) "obstruction" as EB was.

:twocents:

He may have turned himself in on the 'OTHER' CHARGES,THE PREVIOUS ONES,AS A MEANS OF PROTECTION? Could he have really stayed anywhere right now without probably a lot of threats? I think mama had a lot to do with that, not saying hes not involved, but I think if he stays out any longer,we may be looking for another body, ? MOO

 

[pudd]

He may have turned himself in on the 'OTHER' CHARGES,THE PREVIOUS ONES,AS A MEANS OF PROTECTION? Could he have really stayed anywhere right now without probably a lot of threats? I think mama had a lot to do with that, not saying hes not involved, but I think if he stays out any longer,we may be looking for another body, ? MOO

I think LE charged him with those offences because they are clearly "provable" - kind of like with EB, get them on something fairly straightforward and then hang on to them until the case against them re Zahra is strong enough to prosecute. What do you think?

 

[kalekona]

Re http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2...ill-ar-485567/



I think perhaps we should make sure this isn't a somewhat exaggerated paraphrase before basing any assumptions off it. I could have sworn I saw other articles that said he "went to the police station to give a statement and was arrested while there". If true, that would be something slightly different, IMO.

Also, I'd think if he actually went to "turn himself in" he would have confessed to involvement in the process, and in turn it seems like he would have been charged with (at least) "obstruction" as EB was.

:twocents:

He was taken in to custody at the police station where he voluntarily came in to give a statement.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-baker-case-father-arrested-unrelated-charges/story?id=11964372


the key is "voluntarily, came in and gave a statement" not that he "turned himself in"
But I would think it is only logical that he did give them something in that statement.

 

[simlyme]

I think LE charged him with those offences because they are clearly "provable" - kind of like with EB, get them on something fairly straightforward and then hang on to them until the case against them re Zahra is strong enough to prosecute. What do you think?

No, I believe hes in their mainly for protection, right now as it is with why hes in jail,he doesnt have to say anything, in the meantime EB has the shovel in hand and is digging herself in deeper, EB wrote the letter,shes got 1 count already in this, so far AB doent, the more she talks or takes LE around for rides,she cooks herself,
After AB picked maMA UP THERE WAS NO WAY they could have converesed about anything in private, so,why not find a good protected place like jail? KWIM?

 

[gibby207]

I really, REALLY try to lurk and catch up and not ask for updates but because it's so late (I'm doing it... lol) I was wondering if there was any mention of the dogs in the latest search... did that dog in the pic hit on something? Is that white cover over the vegetation near where the dog was lying??

 

[Ohmygato]

I am still feeling like the premise that SM tried to 'frame' AB is the right one.

I can't think of ANY other reason for the randsom note stating " "Mr. Coffey, you like being in control who is in control now.....", other than her trying to make it sound like it came from a disgruntled employee.
I think that she also planted the passports, toothbrushes etc...in the car.

Perhaps, lighting the fires (but not setting fire on the Tahoe) was meant to attract attention to the ransom note? Perhaps she was hoping that Zahra would be discovered missing and she hoped that the police would immediately zero in on AB and arrest him?

She was clearly unhappy with the 'arrangement' and had the new 'London Man' on her horizon.

A Sociopath is only motivated by how s/he can keep moving onward and upward.
Once they have 'exhausted' the benefits offered, they will do whatever it takes to 'move forward'.

Thoughts?

I mentioned in an earlier thought, that it seemed way too convenient to have all the pillows, toothbrushes, passports, and other random items in the truck with the note in it. (Possibly a set-up by EB to frame Ab so she could move on.)

LE hasn't confirmed the media reports either, that the Tahoe was "doused" in gasoline. It was in the original warrant (oh, now where is that link) that there were gas cans and burnt samples taken from the Tahoe.

I have a feeling, and this is my opinion only, that the fact that there were burnt items, along with the gas cans inside of the vehicle, made it smell a lot like it was covered in it. I don't think there was ever the intention to set the truck on fire. It was to showcase all the incriminating evidince.

One last observation while on my theory soapbox: If the original plan was to frame hubby, and break the "news" about a mistaken identity kidnapping when LE was there for the fire, that could also explain why there was bedding in the car. I can just picture..."OMG, there is a ransom note on our Tahoe, OMG... what are ZB's blankets doing out here...OMG Where is she???...." Obviously it didn't happen like that, I am merely speculating about why some of the items were in the Tahoe, that didn't quite make sense.

Also, to everyone being effected by the severe weather tonight, stay safe, and keep your eyes to the sky!

 

[LCoastMom]

Starving someone to death is a pretty long process, I don't see that being the scenario

I am thinking something more violent and quick.
I think she was in the house for sometime after her death though.

She lived with TWO adults that were known for their anger issues.

The 911 calls removes for me any doubt that he was just unaware and this was thrust upon him. He was at a minimum tolerant of his child being abused, to me clearly involved in the conspiracy to cover up the her death, and I think we will find out was well aware that she was abused, injured, and allowed her die of her injuries instead of seeking help because he didn't want to be prosecuted.

We see it all the time that biomom comes home to find her child battered more severely than previous beating and do not seek medical care because the previous bruising and injuries are unexplainable in combo with the new more severe ones.

He failed this child in every way possible in my opinion.

Below link is a report of what 3 kids in TX went thru at the hands of their mother and her boyfriend, including being starved for at least 9 months - the three were near death when rescued...

http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/DN-starvedkids_31met.ART0.State.Edition1.363ebad.html

He got life w/out parole, for sexual abuse - she got life for the abuse, but can be paroled in 30 yrs.

 

[kwmred]

I think it was his Mom ,told him to turn himself in, he can probably get a lawyer now,I have a feeling Moms going to stick with him through thick & thin.
I dont think Gma is all that.:banghead:

What is your basis for thinking anything at all about AB's mother? Not everyone is like CA & GA.

I haven't seen one thing that indicates that KB was anything but a loving grandmother to Zahra. And, I have seen articles from Australia that spoke of what great care she gave to Zahra and that SHE IS THE ONE that was there throughout the all the cancer treatments, etc.

 

[LCoastMom]

I think it was his Mom ,told him to turn himself in, he can probably get a lawyer now,I have a feeling Moms going to stick with him through thick & thin.
I dont think Gma is all that.:banghead:

The first statement I heard from Gma was, AB will have to deal with her if anything happened to Zahra. I kinda think she deserves the benefit of the doubt, until shown otherwise.

I read elsewhere that his leaving Oz with Zahra had caused a rift in the family.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I have to say I think it's very telling that AB takes himself straight to the police station immediately after seeing his mother for this first time under these circumstances. Very sad for her however! The poor woman raised Zahra, and obviously loved her. Awful when it's a family member to be both the victim's family, and the family of the accused. Must be very hard to negotiate the terrain when that happens.

 

[simlyme]

What is your basis for thinking anything at all about AB's mother?

Because I feel she could have been in contact with Zahra, she could have seen her , like I said earlier, or asked, did AB take Zahra out of the country legally? If not ,why didnt she report it?
Theres contradicting information about the Bio mom, did she want to see her daughter?
Ive found info on FB where AB was friended someone in Aug, Gr.ma was also friends with that person, so , I feel she knew where AB & zahra were, when it comes to a loved Grandchild, to me, where theres a will there's a way.
2 years is a long time & not find your Gr,.child

 

[BritsKate]

Mrs. G I agree with it being a possibility too.

IMO This is a loyal child, not an adult being held captive by strangers. So IF she was locked in that room she would have stayed there just waiting for mom or dad to come let her out no matter how hungry or hurt she was. Plus Z was from another country with no other family here but EB's who was alienated. She had just moved, she probably had no idea location wise where she was or how to get in touch with anyone. Mom and Dad is her world. Where would she think to go? She would have stayed just like she did all the other times EB made her stay on her room. Just waiting.

Still about 25 pages to catch up on but this caught my eye (BBM). This bit alone just absolutely infuriates me! Being a parent that has moved munchkins thousands of miles to a new country I am just livid so little care or attention was afforded Zahra. When kids are uprooted from everything they are familiar with they need more support, not less. Due to that alone I think AB is fully culpable of whatever happened to Zahra and I blame him every bit as much - if not more so.

Disclaimer: I'm too emotionally invested in this one, really. Too many similarities for me to ignore and when I look at my own gorgeous, vibrant 10 year old daughter (developing a British accent) and her bright smile my heart just breaks that no one seemed to put Zahra before their own needs once her feet hit American soil.

raying: May today be the day our beloved little sprite is found.

 

[rbrnmw2]

*****MOO*****IMO******

EB says she wants to help out but all she is doing is leading investigators on a wild goose chase while a child she most likely murdered is out in the elements, in a foreign country, the longer she is out there the less likely it is that she is found.

If EB really wants to help she needs to cut the carp, quit playing games and tell them where she put Zahra. She knows where she is IMO So she should tell them NOW or they should quit taking her on field trips *****MOO******:furious::furious::furious:


sorry for the rant!!!!!

 

[kwmred]

*****MOO*****IMO******

EB says she wants to help out but all she is doing is leading investigators on a wild goose chase while a child she most likely murdered is out in the elements, in a foreign country, the longer she is out there the less likely it is that she is found.

If EB really wants to help she needs to cut the carp, quit playing games and tell them where she put Zahra. She knows where she is IMO So she should tell them NOW or they should quit taking her on field trips *****MOO******:furious::furious::furious:


sorry for the rant!!!!!

Rant away! I know I'm right there with you.

 

[BritsKate]

What is your basis for thinking anything at all about AB's mother?

Because I feel she could have been in contact with Zahra, she could have seen her , like I said earlier, or asked, did AB take Zahra out of the country legally? If not ,why didnt she report it?
Theres contradicting information about the Bio mom, did she want to see her daughter?
Ive found info on FB where AB was friended someone in Aug, Gr.ma was also friends with that person, so , I feel she knew where AB & zahra were, when it comes to a loved Grandchild, to me, where theres a will there's a way.
2 years is a long time & not find your Gr,.child

Honestly, Simly, if AB and EB didn't want Zahra to have contact with relatives they could easily have withheld communication. It's far more difficult continuing contact and all parties involved have to work to achieve it. My kids speak to their paternal grandmother (my parents passed away) once every couple of months via skype - if we can make it more often we do but with the time differences, her schedule and ours it doesn't always happen. To play devil's advocate though we don't know that AB ever informed his family of their phone numbers, addresses, etc.

What I bolded in your comment intrigues me as well though - we may never know unless we are made privy to custodial arrangements or Australia levies charges relating to parental abduction. Depending on court orders regarding custody he may have had to petition the Australian courts for permission to remove Zahra from the country. Another thing we just don't have the answers to yet.

http://www.afp.gov.au/policing/family-law/family-law-kit.aspx#FamilyLawMatters

 

[Pondering Mind]

Below link is a report of what 3 kids in TX went thru at the hands of their mother and her boyfriend, including being starved for at least 9 months - the three were near death when rescued...

http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/DN-starvedkids_31met.ART0.State.Edition1.363ebad.html

He got life w/out parole, for sexual abuse - she got life for the abuse, but can be paroled in 30 yrs.

What I keep thinking is that a child (as well as an adult) can die within 3 days from dehydration..and that's if they were healthy to start with.