NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #26

[Lera213]

I cannot imagine how her Bio Mom must feel...Her heart must be breaking! Is she here in the USA so if there needs to be a next of Kin notification they would notify her?

 

[NancyA]

I have known since the beginning that Zahra was dead but, you know, a person has to hold on to some kind of hope, miracles do happen, so I’ve sort of fantasised that she could have escaped from her intolerable situation and run away to be taken in by a kindly person….Last night, in the aftermath of a day when it all started to come together and the walls started closing in on AB and EB, well, I finally let my fantasy scenario go and cried for Zahra.

Cases like these have always held a dreadful fascination for me, drawn me in, the first was when I was about 12 years old, a little girl called Maria Colwell. It broke my adolescent heart to realize there were children out there whose parents, far from nurturing and protecting them as mine did me, saw fit to batter, torture, starve, neglect and finally kill them. That case obsessed me, I read everything there was to read in the papers about it and prayed and hoped it would never happen again to another child. And yet here I am many years and many child victims later. It never gets any easier to understand the workings of the minds of people who can do these things to those they are charged with loving and caring for. The ‘why’ always eludes me.

Zahra’s story spoke to me in the same way as Maria’s. Here was a little girl who was taken from a happy, stable, secure home surrounded by those who loved her to eventually die after suffering unknown cruelties at the hands of a sadistic monster in the midst of squalor and deprivation. And these children weren’t snatched and taken away from their secure, loving environments by some random, unknown psychopathic child predator, no, they were taken by those who had the legal right to do so, those they had every reason to trust would look out for their happiness and welfare – their parents – who delivered them up to the monsters. We warn our kids about stranger danger from when they are very small, horribly ironic, when so often it’s actually the parents and guardians who commit the worst atrocities on them.

Zahra, like Maria, would never have fought back or spoken out against her abusers or tried to run away. She would have stayed, wondered why she was being punished, rationalised that she must have been really ‘bad’ and deserved it, then hoped if she was ‘good’ enough the punishment would stop. Well, the punishment has stopped now, Zahra, may you rest in peace. I like to imagine you are now laughing and playing with Maria Colwell and all the other children who suffered so much during their short lives.

It’s all over now bar the shouting for EB and AB, just hope they get everything the law can throw at them. For Zahra’s Grandmother, Mother and others who loved her, I hope they eventually find her remains and that they can find a semblance of peace and happiness in the knowledge that Zahra will never suffer pain or fear again.

 

[Lera213]

We all I think have some stories of what brought us here to this site. I too and I could write a novel but I won't go there. It is sad, so many children have to suffer.

 

[SherlockHomey]

Good morning all. I hope today is the day they find beautiful Zahra. The weather was crazy here last night, trees, power lines, and houses damaged. I hope it didn't damage the search site as well.

Today's weather looks like it won't be cooperating. Windy, humid and thunderstorms turning into severe weather later tonight. Prayers for searchers. I cannot even begin to imagine the emotional turmoil they are going through. I wish everyone peace.

 

[BritsKate]

I wont even pretend to know what she must be going though. I did notice she didnt state how long it has been since she has seen Zahra. Just that she never got the chance to know her.

Does anyone know how old Zahra was when her health issues arose?

(BBM) IIRC Zahra was 5 when diagnosed with bone cancer. I've seen both 'a few months later' and 'two years later' for the secondary lung cancer though.

 

[adh74]

Geez....I'm about a thread and a half behind! Trying desperately to catch up, but those three little people who call me mama keep distracting me! Can someone give me the highlights from the last couple of days?

Last thing I heard....Adam was arrested, possibly at Charlotte Douglas International Airport (which is about 10 minutes from my house, actually). And I know they took Elisa out of her cell to tour a search site. What has happened since then?

 

[Lera213]

LE thinks the mattress was located by the owner of the landfill, was sent to FBI for testing.

Searching like crazy yesterday, but no real news. I lot of speculation and rumor but nothing concrete...it was reported that EB was cooperating.

 

[darlin gal]

LE found the mattress at the landfill (well the owner of the landfill did) and I noticed something with the few pictures and video I've seen about the searches. All of them of recent didn't look like they were searching too deep past the road. This tells me, that they are looking at a distance as if one were to throw something out of the car window. (and probably a little further in case of animals moved her)

If I am right, this can only mean one thing and that is poor Zahra was put through that chipper. I pray I'm wrong!

Police more or less ruled out the dog hits on the chipper.

More info and links:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5690772#post5690772"]NC NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #10 - Page 23 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Lera213]

OH Good!!!!!!!!! On NG the other night they said that it wasn't ruled out.

 

[Lera213]

I have a question for the locals, are there a lot of deep woods around there?

 

[SherlockHomey]

I have a question for the locals, are there a lot of deep woods around there?

Very much so. The area is very rural. There are also bears and other wildlife roaming around.

 

[Kamille]

That would make me think one took the mattress and the other took Zahra which could indicate Adam may not have known. She sends hm to drop off the mattress and she does the rest.
It would explain why they knew to look for a mattress and didnt know about the other search areas. Could be why the sewn in the mattress rumor got out Adam may have started it? If he didnt know I could see him thinking that. of course there could be another reason that completely implicates him.
I hope Zahra is found today and all the the theroies are muted.

It is a possibility that both vehicles were used, one for the mattress and one for Zahra but if that is the case, AB was well aware that Zahra was deceased at the time of that 911 call because it would have happened before Oct 8 when he claims he last saw his daughter awake and out of bed. The mattress was removed in early October, days before the first 911 call according to witnesses.

Interesting thought though that it could have all been done at the same time and that AB went one way with the mattress in the truck and EB went the other with Zahra in the car. This would certainly explain why AB might not know where she is but EB likely does.

MOO

 

[Lera213]

Very much so. The area is very rural. There are also bears and other wildlife roaming around.

THank you, know off hand where on christie road they were searching? I have google earth up so I can get familiar with the area

 

[Lera213]

Very much so. The area is very rural. There are also bears and other wildlife roaming around.

OH wow, what if that evil woman, placed her out blind folded and left?

 

[SherlockHomey]

THank you, know off hand where on christie road they were searching? I have google earth up so I can get familiar with the area

I'm not sure. Sorry.

 

[BritsKate]

FYI:

Val actually has a new article up specifically discussing the mattress for those interested.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/27/zahra-baker-case-why-is-the-mattress-important/

 

[eleni777]

I'm just looking at WSCOTV, WCNC and WBTV websites...and the weather and damage looks really bad and seems like it isn't going to get better until this afternoon...

Does anyone think they'll be searching for evidence today?

 

[bellyup]

Just read what her Mother wrote. Poor woman. My heart goes out to her.

Zahra's bio mother ? Is there a link ?

 

[Lera213]

I'm just looking at WSCOTV, WCNC and WBTV websites...and the weather and damage looks really bad and seems like it isn't going to get better until this afternoon...

Does anyone think they'll be searching for evidence today?

I know they probably had a cop on the scene last night to keep it secure (poor cop) I'm sure they will do what they can but if it is raining hard they'll wait until the weather clears a little. They could switch and take care of other leads that require desk type work.

 

[bellyup]

It is a possibility that both vehicles were used, one for the mattress and one for Zahra but if that is the case, AB was well aware that Zahra was deceased at the time of that 911 call because it would have happened before Oct 8 when he claims he last saw his daughter awake and out of bed. The mattress was removed in early October, days before the first 911 call according to witnesses.
MOO

I'm horrible at digging through all my links, but I would have sworn it was reported that the mattress was tossed 2 days before the 911 call. I found a link yesterday that claimed "days before" it was thrown out. Does anyone have anything more specific. I think it would be important in determining what AB may have known / may not have known.

Also, does anyone else find it odd that AB hasn't made bail yet ? It's like $700 to get out of there I think? I'm really :waitasec: over why he hasn't obtained a lawyer and he's still sitting in jail. Unless he was getting threats , etc. from the public and feels he's safer in there ??? It seems too coincidental that he went in there right when mama got here. Thoughts?