NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #29

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  • #21
Thanks, y'all, for the responses. I was literally feeling sick on my stomach thinking of what that precious little angel might have endured if they were finding evidence of her all over the walls. I appreciate the reassurance! :grouphug:
 
  • #22
I know this is a big favor to ask of people I hardly know, but I've been away since... maybe thread # 17?

Read about the mattress, heard he was arrested (?!?!?!!?), and read speculation she was dismembered... has anything else happened recently? Would someone pretty please give me a quick update?

Adam was bonded out not arrested.
 
  • #23
I know this is a big favor to ask of people I hardly know, but I've been away since... maybe thread # 17?

Read about the mattress, heard he was arrested (?!?!?!!?), and read speculation she was dismembered... has anything else happened recently? Would someone pretty please give me a quick update?

LMBO

Sorry, that was just funny. Um thread 17, trying to recall at what point that was. I am so sorry. I cannot help, I am trying to keep up with the thread and its moving so fast!
 
  • #24
I could almost swear it looked like they found another mattress and brought it into the front room to examine more closely! I would say I am 95% sure that's what it was. It also looked like they were holding up some sheets and inspecting them as well.
 
  • #25
WARNINGGraphic forgive me.

If Zahra lost a great deal of blood in the mattress and
in her bedroom, and the weather was warm (it's been unusually warm here)
wouldn't there be an awful smell?
Also if she had bled out most of her blood, it would be less
of a mess to dismember her????

The mattress hasn't been there from what we can see, so that would not be there to create an odor.

If they cleaned the walls during their staging of the room and addition of the new mattress you are not going to have much organic material that would be breaking down and creating an odor.

The length of time they are documenting the scene may not indicate the amount of blood, but the time involved in recording how the evidence is being collected and documenting the spray pattern (when my MIL was murdered I was the one that went in the house when it was released to get clothes for her burial, you could see where they had sprayed and where the splatter marks were on the ceiling etc... it is a tedious process I am sure).

As far as the blood and its relationship to her dismemberment I don't think it would have much effect. Graphic warning, but we are not talking about someone killing someone and then systematically draining their bodily fluids. If she was beaten to death when her heart stopped beating the flow would slowly stop and gravity would take effect with the vast majority of her blood pooling in her body.

I doubt she was dismembered, that is a lot of work.

Based on Adam's behavior I still keep coming back to EB severely injured Zahra and neither of them sought medical help because of the investigation it would bring. AB seems way too involved in the clean up and cover up to not somehow be legally involved in her death. She may have even told him if he didn't help with the clean up and called 911 or sought help any other way, it was already too late, they would consider him involved.

moo
 
  • #26
Did PunkNLuv have an update? I can't keep up. :-/
 
  • #27
This is a great spot to get caught up on what happened today and days and weeks before hand.


[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116947"]NC Zahra Baker timeline and media links only - No Discussion - - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
  • #28
You are welcome. I cannot post the link right now as the photos are still uploading. I will as soon as they finish. I put the ones I took tonight in a separate album.

I didn't see the new photo's on your older link you provided. Is it at the same link? Could you link again please to the latest photo's you uploaded. Thank you
 
  • #29
For this picture, I cropped out everyone else just so my eyes could concentrate on what he has in his hand.

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Now in the picture, I cropped down to just the item and then played with the color values till I could basically just see a highlight of the item.

2nui2w8.jpg


I'm thinking small knife perhaps with dirt and leaves around it. Thoughts?

I have to ook at video again, but I got the impression it was gooy
(like dirty water cloth)????
maybe you are right knife in a dirty towel????
Just not sure.........
 
  • #30
I have found this bit of information, regarding the use of different lights in crime scene analysis. I am not exactly sure, but, maybe LE already performed one type of Luminol scan on Zahra's room in the early days of the investigation.

Maybe LE even suspects that there is NEW EVIDENCE in her room, that has happened since they scanned the FIRST TIME????

Crime Scene Application

Ideally, any fluorescence crime scene examination, including vehicles and cadavers should be sequentially conducted using: (1) visible light; (2) long wavelength ultraviolet; and (3) laser or alternative light source, such as Luma-Lite. If ultraviolet is your only fluorescence option, the likelihood of success is diminished due to the narrower spectral search "window" of ultraviolet and its much lower power output, compared to laser or Luma-Lite.

The area should be darkened with the operator and others present wearing appropriate protective apparel. Many organic compounds, including human physiological fluids (semen, saliva, urine) will absorb light in the ultraviolet and fluoresce in the visible spectrum. Blood will not fluoresce but will appear darker under ultraviolet, making it more detectable. The advent of DNA tracing makes the recovery of such evidence, including hair (if root attached), of particular importance.
Other types of physical evidence that may fluoresce are fingerprints, footwear impressions and clothing fibers. After the initial scan of the crime scene, Redwop fluorescent fingerprint powder may be applied. Redwop fluoresceses a bright orange under ultraviolet. Wear dust mask and gloves. Photograph Redwop impressions using a Kodak 2A clear filter over camera lens and expose according to light meter. Lift using black lifters. All physical evidence detected should be photographed prior to removal.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/fsis-ssji/firs-srij/bulletins/ultraviolet-eng.htm
 
  • #31
Based on Adam's behavior I still keep coming back to EB severely injured Zahra and neither of them sought medical help because of the investigation it would bring. AB seems way too involved in the clean up and cover up to not somehow be legally involved in her death.

I am tending to agree with this as well.
 
  • #32
I have to ook at video again, but I got the impression it was gooy
(like dirty water cloth)????
maybe you are right knife in a dirty towel????
Just not sure.........

I still think it is a sock
 
  • #33
I am not putting LE down, but this luminol business bugs me.

Why didn't they use luminol on Zahra's room prior to today?

Does anyone know if all those different coloured lights could be to detect something else besides blood?

I think that perhaps they needed 'probable cause' which came following the mattress and her leg before they could enter the house, since neither AB or SM have charges related to killing Kahra.
 
  • #34
I could almost swear it looked like they found another mattress and brought it into the front room to examine more closely! I would say I am 95% sure that's what it was. It also looked like they were holding up some sheets and inspecting them as well.

Perhaps they were looking at parents mattress? I am not inviting anyone to speculate about that with me!
 
  • #35
Ok a couple more things and then I am going to watch a movie with the hubby.

He talked to the neighbor like I mentioned. A couple other things she told him.

She was the one the employee from Daylight Donuts told about seeing something. She said that what was reported was (allegedly) was that they had seen PEOPLE in the back yard around 3:30am but they didn't want to call the police. The neighbor (told my husband) she was the one who phoned in about that. Not sure where the lighter came into play.

Last week apparently AB was seen coming and going from the house. This is possibly the time where the police knew he was taking his items from the home.

Nothing the neighbor said is verifiable of course. But it does make for something interesting to chew on.
 
  • #36
OK, I am back from the scene at the Hickory house. A lot going on. The media has mostly cleared out and a few onlookers. One thing I did see I thought was strange; the SBI agents picked up something and brought it into the front bedroom and it looked (pretty sure) like a mattress! They were bringing things from the back bedroom (assuming Zahra's room because it had pink drapes up) and putting them in the front to inspect them more thoroughly. They were using flashlights and what I think was luminol (looked like a blacklight as in glowing purple) in both the back and front bedroom. :(

When I came back they were putting a lot of things in the second Crime Scene truck. I have photos and a lot of the SBI were standing around. One took off with a Crime Scene bag and left (photo of that too). They then went back into the house to start working again.

My photos are uploading now. They are pretty high res so it's taking awhile.

PunkNLuv, I met your hubby. Sweet guy!

Any new news while I was gone?

BBM. Those pink curtains are important, IMO. It's one thing to throw a mattress in a room to "stage" it for a deceased child (even though, many are pretty certain at this point that Zahra did in fact make it to the new house), but hanging those curtains indicate a little more care, IMO. They could have left the windows bare, or kept those non-descript blinds or shades. And I'm doubtful the world's laziest stepmom took the effort to do this. Someone though - and quite possible a spunky little 9 year old - took the time to "decorate" that room.
 
  • #37
For this picture, I cropped out everyone else just so my eyes could concentrate on what he has in his hand.

2qjc289.jpg


Now in the picture, I cropped down to just the item and then played with the color values till I could basically just see a highlight of the item.

2nui2w8.jpg


I'm thinking small knife perhaps with dirt and leaves around it. Thoughts?

Thank you! Awesome job of isolating the image...makes it much easier to see. My first thought earlier was that he was holding a knife upside down by the very tip edge of the handle, but it seemed everyone could tell it was something like hair or fabric...and my eyes aren't what they used to be. I wonder if the station would be willing to post more photos if they have them (or higher res, even).
 
  • #38
My internet is going in and out for some reason. Sorry for the double post!
 
  • #39
To comment on lights :
UV lights reveal hidden blood, fingerprints, fibers, and subcutaneous bruises on living and dead bodies. It can also detect most bolidy fluids (ie; urine, semen, vag fluids, sweat and saliva) Orange viewing goggles are sometimes used with UV lights to enhance the contrast. UV can often even detect blood on a surface that has been painted over and can be used in arson cases to detect gas (or other types of flammables) and pour patterns. Some narcotics can glow under UV light (cocaine.. MDMA and some others).

Sometimes they use different color band lights if the surface they want to examine glows itself.
 
  • #40
ImpatientRedhead
(((hugs))) I never knew you had to go through something so horrific.
 
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