NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #35

[peg4x4]

I know this has been talked about before,but I can't leave it lay.
What profit did EB see in bringing Zahra to America?
There had to be a perceived high payoff in it for her,or else Zahra would have been left in Australia..
she had to get AB to fight his mother to take the child.
They had to go through getting all the paperwork(legaly or not)
EB had to have a "plan"

 

[Eileen730]

Good point, however, if that were the case it would also seem LE would know the death occurred inside the house and secure it as a crime scene at the time. MOO

Well this bothers me about LE, the dogs hit on the woodchipper and the 2 cars and the house was still not secured One would think it would have been way back when she first went missing! JMO

The home may not be the crime scene maybe Zahra was never in that home!

 

[ynotdivein]

Lord knows I may have missed this & apologies if so, but do we know anything about how AB got his job with MC's company?

 

[Eileen730]

I know this has been talked about before,but I can't leave it lay.
What profit did EB see in bringing Zahra to America?
There had to be a perceived high payoff in it for her,or else Zahra would have been left in Australia..
she had to get AB to fight his mother to take the child.
They had to go through getting all the paperwork(legaly or not)
EB had to have a "plan"

I think EB manipulates men, Ab fell for her and im sure there are a few more out there she has met from online. Se gets them and then walks away to move on to the next one JMO. it seems she like the internet!

Not to be pro Ab i really dont know what part he played in all this but i really think he wished he stayed in OZ it did not look like he was living a very good life he or his daughter i dont understand why he stayed with EB i wonder if he lived like this in OZ? Was he always in trouble or is this just since moving here? Id love to know and nort hear it from his family and friends...

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I don't think she's gotten specific regarding the note other than admitting to it (most likely because LE confronted her that they know she did) and likely denied any further responsibility in Zahra's disappearance/murder. MOO

I'm inclined to think the same. I was just trying to make a point that the fact that she admitted to writing the ransom note doesn't neccesarily mean that she's admitted to anything else. She COULD explain writing the note any number of ways, without implicating herself in the actual homicide itself. And let's not forget, the note makes no mention of Zahra what-so-ever. She could easily say something like, " Yep, I was furious at Coffey and wanted to scare the living crap out of him. But I had nothing to do with Zahra's disappearance. Maybe Coffey realized I wrote that note, and took Zahra in retaliation." I don't think that's what she HAS said, just trying to illustrate that there are a number of ways she could explain the note writing.

 

[wfgodot]

I know this has been talked about before,but I can't leave it lay.
What profit did EB see in bringing Zahra to America?
There had to be a perceived high payoff in it for her,or else Zahra would have been left in Australia..
she had to get AB to fight his mother to take the child.
They had to go through getting all the paperwork(legaly or not)
EB had to have a "plan"

I don't know - if necessary, AB may have insisted to EB about bringing his daughter with him; that they were a team, a pair which could not be broken. Which makes this whole sad case just all the sadder.

 

[MissJames]

Yes, supposed to homeschool. It may depend who in LE may know about homeschooling, but there should have been some sort of curriculum and materials there for that, so to me that would be obvious whether any evidence of homeschooling materials were in the house. It appears EB/AB go from getting her hearing aids to not even bothering with her education by fall.

Each state has different homeschooling laws. Most states allow parents to choose their own materials and have only very basic regulations.It's parents rights to choose for their children.
In general you will find most homeschoolers are highly socialized and participate in many extra curricular activities with others.It's the abusers who give it a bad name IMO. But I digress.........:blushing:

PS The most highly acclaimed colleges are actually seeking out homeschoolers,as they are finding them more enthusiastic and better prepared for college ,in general.:innocent:

 

[panthera]

Well this bothers me about LE, the dogs hit on the woodchipper and the 2 cars and the house was still not secured One would think it would have been way back when she first went missing! JMO

The home may not be the crime scene maybe Zahra was never in that home!

The ladies seeing her at the furniture store on 9/25 seem to discount the possibility Zahra wasn't inside the house. I believe it was the dog hitting on the two vehicles with 'indications of human remains' that, at least in part, led LE to term it a homicide investigation. MOO

 

[vjlaw]

I hope LE got something from the bedding found in the company vehicle. Maybe the hearing aids were worn by Zahra when she was alive, but she was carried out of the house in the comforter. Doesn't make sense to me why they would have called the fire dept before the vehicle was burned though.

 

[panthera]

I'm inclined to think the same. I was just trying to make a point that the fact that she admitted to writing the ransom note doesn't neccesarily mean that she's admitted to anything else. She COULD explain writing the note any number of ways, without implicating herself in the actual homicide itself. And let's not forget, the note makes no mention of Zahra what-so-ever. She could easily say something like, " Yep, I was furious at Coffey and wanted to scare the living crap out of him. But I had nothing to do with Zahra's disappearance. Maybe Coffey realized I wrote that note, and took Zahra in retaliation." I don't think that's what she HAS said, just trying to illustrate that there are a number of ways she could explain the note writing.

I agree and it could be she's just savvy enough to have worded it that way on purpose, but not smart enough to realize she could still be charged with obstruction. MOO

 

[panthera]

I hope LE got something from the bedding found in the company vehicle. Maybe the hearing aids were worn by Zahra when she was alive, but she was carried out of the house in the comforter. Doesn't make sense to me why they would have called the fire dept before the vehicle was burned though.

Along the same lines, wouldn't it also make sense that with gas poured inside the vehicle that if AB got inside and lit a cigarette it would go up in flames? In other words, unless EB wanted him dead or severely burned, wouldn't he have had to know about it? :waitasec: MOO

 

[MissJames]

All of the hearing aids I'm familiar with are wireless so I have no idea. MOO

Kids with cochlear implants may have something like that ,but I don't believe Zahra did.They looked like basic hearing aides.I don't think she had total hearing loss.She could still hear some frequency ranges without them,IMO. I say that because it was mentioned that they were to help her in school.

My son has high frequency hearing loss due to medications. The tiny hairs inside the ear are damaged and he doesn't hear sounds like S or ch without his aides.

 

[vjlaw]

Each state has different homeschooling laws. Most states allow parents to choose their own materials and have only very basic regulations.It's parents rights to choose for their children.
In general you will find most homeschoolers are highly socialized and participate in many extra curricular activities with others.It's the abusers who give it a bad name IMO. But I digress.........:blushing:

PS The most highly acclaimed colleges are actually seeking out homeschoolers,as they are finding them more enthusiastic and better prepared for college ,in general.:innocent:

I agree. I have known homeschoolers for almost 20 years now. If EB/AB were sincere about homeschooling all that info would have been in the house providing LE was familiar with any homeschoolers. If they were, then LE would have noticed no homeschooling materials there. They could use that knowledge to question them about their care of Zahra. jmo

 

[peg4x4]

I don't know - if necessary, AB may have insisted to EB about bringing his daughter with him; that they were a team, a pair which could not be broken. Which makes this whole sad case just all the sadder.

He would fight for her then and wouldn't fight for her when she was being abused?:sick::furious::censored: Then what happened between then and now to turn him into a cringing puppy?
Yee Gads... If I were closer I'd be wandering the back roads in my powerchair looking for clues..
I guess this has got to me more because I went through chemo about a year ago and I know how sick and scared I was..

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Cant quote media source...but being a local...i do know someone that knows the "boss"...and he does indeed have a red headed son that has had some issues with pot.

I've seen enough to convince me that this is the case. This is all new information to me, though...so I'm not sure how to fit the info into the pieces I already know or suspect.

So going with this new (to me) info, here's what I would ask: do we know where this redheaded, pot smoking son is currently? I'm sure LE knows, but do WE have any idea?

 

[tlcya]

apparently, and I am NO expert, but based on my qwik research just now, IF THERE IS decomp present on hearing aids MAY be able to give LE an idea on time of death.

some interesting reading on decomp

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/decomposition

http://books.google.com/books?id=oN...&resnum=7&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false

be warned some of this is science speak and hard to wade through.

this one below, is not as dificult. It is a post from impatientredhead from the Anthony thread that speaks to the decomp in ICA's trunk and some of it does not apply to the Zahra case as yet but I think it may in future.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2861850&postcount=20"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - In the trunk 2.6 days Decomp Info #1[/ame]

 

[vjlaw]

Along the same lines, wouldn't it also make sense that with gas poured inside the vehicle that if AB got inside and lit a cigarette it would go up in flames? In other words, unless EB wanted him dead or severely burned, wouldn't he have had to know about it? :waitasec: MOO

You would think so. Even if she wanted him ignited, she would have to know he would have smelled it before he lit his cig. I have never heard any reason why they moved from the boss's house. If he kicked them out maybe they were angry about that and maybe about some job issues. They just wanted to get to him while trying to show it was someone else.

 

[wfgodot]

He would fight for her then and wouldn't fight for her when she was being abused?:sick::furious::censored: Then what happened between then and now to turn him into a cringing puppy?
Yee Gads... If I were closer I'd be wandering the back roads in my powerchair looking for clues..
I guess this has got to me more because I went through chemo about a year ago and I know how sick and scared I was..

I said, "if necessary" he might have done. A few years in a land not his own, living possibly a debauched life, living at the beck and call of a woman he found possibly not to be who she represented herself to be, may have changed him. We don't know. It's a mystery, as we have no clear information about what he was like pre-U.S.A.

 

[Etilema]

I know this has been talked about before,but I can't leave it lay.
What profit did EB see in bringing Zahra to America?
There had to be a perceived high payoff in it for her,or else Zahra would have been left in Australia..
she had to get AB to fight his mother to take the child.
They had to go through getting all the paperwork(legaly or not)
EB had to have a "plan"

Zahra received child support payments from her bio-mum. Apparently these payments even followed them to the US.

 

[MissJames]

interesting question. We only know when she was reported missing, if she were killed while awake, chances are, she would have had her aids in and her leg on, unless it was right before bedtime, in which case Z was in the habit of removing both items. If she were wearing them at the time of death, there should be some sort of dna and quite possibly decomp evidence on them.

arggg, gonna have to visit the Caylee Anthony thread and read up again on the decomp things. IIRC, the process begins immediately and it is a distinct chemical reaction within the body that can be detected (ie Anthony case trunk decomp testing).

Great, more research, arggg. Being a good example is really hard, lol. And time consuming. I may have to go back to the previous read, think, type method and links be damned! JK sigh.

If Zahra only had a partial hearing loss,which is what I believe,she may not have worn her aides all the time.You can get a high pitched feed back at times,which is annoying. They can become uncomfortable and also,sometimes tuning out by taking them off is preferred. Based on what neighbors and family have said,I wouldn't be surprised if EB made her take them off as punishment.
My 11 yr old lives for the tween Disney shows and music,however it's my 8 yr old who wears hearing aides.He loves Barney :banghead: