NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #36

[nursebeeme]

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/Act...RT_.11.01.10.AM.0002.CAL.txt&caltype=Criminal

here is the docket.... the charge/bail to be argued is the larceny by employee

 

[SherlockHomey]

I read on the previous thread about how people come up with theories, I have laid in bed at night recently and tried to be EB in my head and wondered what she would do with little Zahra's body, if she had killed her/disposed of her, and I just cannot do it. My imagination, usually quite vivid, just doesn't go that far, and I have had issues with drugs in the past, thankfully over now but I have to be vigilant.
I often feel stupid here as I can never come up with theories.
My prayer list seems to become longer and longer with each week that passes but I pray so hard that Zahra is found soon, I used to be a teacher in Kuwait and had a few little Zahras that I was fond of, please God let this little flower be found soon

Don't feel bad, I did the same thing last night and my mind just won't go there.

 

[KPMcLovin]

Frog, I never stopped to think about the wording of the ransom note before. Interesting comment about the "control" and why rat out the red headed son for smoking pot? Maybe to embarrass the boss or just to make LE think they knew the family?
Just a thought here. I think AB was involved in the death, but maybe not the abuse. So, what if AB was giving Z pain killers to help her deal with the abuse from EB? What if those pain killers are what killed Z, rather from overdose or liver failure from a liver already weak from chemo being strained by pain killers. I know addicts don't usually give up their drugs but maybe if AB was riddled from the guilt... It would explain why neither is rolling on the other completely. It would mean they both killed her.

 

[peg4x4]

Are any of EBs old residences on a septic system? Zahra has to be somewhere secure.
A well,septic tank,somewhere that is sealed..
Did AB have access to earthmoving equiptment?
This can't be a well thought out plan,why is it so hard to find her..

 

[KPMcLovin]

If a person cannot do the job then they need to move over so someone can.
I know the case loads are heavy on all states and more help is needed all over.
I now have joined and waiting for my Class to start in January. CASA is a place where we all can step up and join in to help children, it is called CASA, it is every day citizens that judges appoint to advocate for the well being of children who have been removed or put back in homes due to abuse and neglest. They stand for these children like Z and change their lives. CASA Volunteers work with the courts, go to thehomes, stand by the children when no one else will, they are there. Anyone who wishes to help make a difference can step up and do so. A baby or child is waiting for you, I promice one will be there and needs you. The address is www.CASAforchildren.org.. Please help make a difference for a child. Who knows maybe if we all stand up now in a few years we will not have to see another Zora , Caylee, Haliegh child case again. you can also just google CASA for your state, I think all states have CASA now.

I'm doing the CASA thing in January, too!

 

[songline]

Frog, I never stopped to think about the wording of the ransom note before. Interesting comment about the "control" and why rat out the red headed son for smoking pot? Maybe to embarrass the boss or just to make LE think they knew the family?
Just a thought here. I think AB was involved in the death, but maybe not the abuse. So, what if AB was giving Z pain killers to help her deal with the abuse from EB? What if those pain killers are what killed Z, rather from overdose or liver failure from a liver already weak from chemo being strained by pain killers. I know addicts don't usually give up their drugs but maybe if AB was riddled from the guilt... It would explain why neither is rolling on the other completely. It would mean they both killed her.

BBM
I thought that all along. I am not impressed with her father at all. and I am discustd by the step Mom.
I think poor baby is finally at peace.

RIP little Angel, but come home for a proper burial.
:angel: :angel: :angel:

 

[78gidget78]

Are any of EBs old residences on a septic system? Zahra has to be somewhere secure.
A well,septic tank,somewhere that is sealed..
Did AB have access to earthmoving equiptment?
This can't be a well thought out plan,why is it so hard to find her..

i really don't like the manhole in front of the house in sherlockhomey's pictures.

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

Frog, I never stopped to think about the wording of the ransom note before. Interesting comment about the "control" and why rat out the red headed son for smoking pot? Maybe to embarrass the boss or just to make LE think they knew the family?
Just a thought here. I think AB was involved in the death, but maybe not the abuse. So, what if AB was giving Z pain killers to help her deal with the abuse from EB? What if those pain killers are what killed Z, rather from overdose or liver failure from a liver already weak from chemo being strained by pain killers. I know addicts don't usually give up their drugs but maybe if AB was riddled from the guilt... It would explain why neither is rolling on the other completely. It would mean they both killed her.

BBM: perhaps to explain away the drug/drug related items found at the scene of the yard fire? Make it appear to be a drug related/revenage type of "kidnapping"? IDK the whole note was umm odd.

 

[peg4x4]

i really don't like the manhole in front of the house in sherlockhomey's pictures.

Surely LE checked that out,sent a plumbers snake with a camera through there
(Yes,there is such a thing) If they haven't and read here,GO DO THAT!!!:banghead::furious:

 

[catnron]

I'm doing the CASA thing in January, too!

That is great,Thank God and the Judges for getting this program out there. I am in Georgia( barrow & hall county area) where are you? I am so sick of setting by and doing nothing but talk about these children or helping on a search, help is needed before not after the fact. I would love to talk with you more about this.

 

[KPMcLovin]

That is great,Thank God and the Judges for getting this program out there. I am in Georgia( barrow & hall county area) where are you? I am so sick of setting by and doing nothing but talk about these children or helping on a search, help is needed before not after the fact. I would love to talk with you more about this.

NC, Guilford County.

 

[peg4x4]

Could our Aussie friends check out ABs criminal record there? Surely he wasn't an innocent lamb who was turned into a child murderer/accomplis to murder/bad check writer by an evil woman..

 

[Yellow Rose]

This is one of those cases that infuriates me so much that I just have to read and not post. I have read every post in every thread and kept what I thought to myself for the most part. I think about little Zahra every single day and night and my heart breaks for her. I just hope a jury shows no mercy whatsoever for anyone who harmed a hair on Zahra's head.

I want to know what happened to Zahra but am so afraid we will all be even more horrified when and if we do find out. I believe that by Wednesday we will have either an inditement or inditements.

GB Zahra's little soul.

JMO, MOO'S[/QUOTE]

This had been my reaction too! I am so appalled by EB and AB that I sit here and read over and over again every single page of every single thread and simply wish for 5 minutes alone with either one or both of them.....until I AM THE ONE that is bruised....

 

[KPMcLovin]

I don't know how appropriate it is to talk about this here. I started a facebook group, The Zahra Project, to try to help and do something about the kids DSS fails. I don't know much about what I am doing but have become very frustrated with our social services systems. We have some smart people in the group with good ideas. Today we are pushing to get people signed up as CASAs in their areas.
I originally got involved (emotionally) with this type of stuff with the Riley Ann Sawyers case. When she was still "Baby Grace" and they released her composite she looked so much like my little girl (in my profile pic) at that time. It hit so close to home. I have sat around *****ing about DSS and their failures ever since then and finally decided to do something. My husband and I thought facebook would be the opportunity to do that since you can reach so many people. We are incorporating the group and going for non-profit status.
I'm not trying to bash DSS. I know they have their limits and problems. I am hoping our group can work with DSS/CPS (whatever it is in your area) and not against them.
I actually joined websleuths a few years back with the Caylee Anthony case but couldn't remember what my sign in/password was back then (quite possibly "triaddogs").
My name is Kristie Pope and I'm a dog behaviorist from NC with a husband, three great kids and one great grandkid.
Hope this is not a spammy post or anything, just wanted to mention all this after catnron's post.

 

[KPMcLovin]

This is one of those cases that infuriates me so much that I just have to read and not post. I have read every post in every thread and kept what I thought to myself for the most part. I think about little Zahra every single day and night and my heart breaks for her. I just hope a jury shows no mercy whatsoever for anyone who harmed a hair on Zahra's head.

I want to know what happened to Zahra but am so afraid we will all be even more horrified when and if we do find out. I believe that by Wednesday we will have either an inditement or inditements.

GB Zahra's little soul.

JMO, MOO'S

This had been my reaction too! I am so appalled by EB and AB that I sit here and read over and over again every single page of every single thread and simply wish for 5 minutes alone with either one or both of them.....until I AM THE ONE that is bruised....[/QUOTE]

And I hope that when this all ends that NC will, for once, enforce their law that requires anyone who suspects abuse to report it on anyone who knew about it and did not report it!

 

[tk71texas]

OT, I've been up all night again. I cannot sleep..gosh I don't know how much of this I can take!

awwwwwwwwwww.....i love my lunesta

 

[catnron]

I don't know how appropriate it is to talk about this here. I started a facebook group, The Zahra Project, to try to help and do something about the kids DSS fails. I don't know much about what I am doing but have become very frustrated with our social services systems. We have some smart people in the group with good ideas. Today we are pushing to get people signed up as CASAs in their areas.
I originally got involved (emotionally) with this type of stuff with the Riley Ann Sawyers case. When she was still "Baby Grace" and they released her composite she looked so much like my little girl (in my profile pic) at that time. It hit so close to home. I have sat around *****ing about DSS and their failures ever since then and finally decided to do something. My husband and I thought facebook would be the opportunity to do that since you can reach so many people. We are incorporating the group and going for non-profit status.
I'm not trying to bash DSS. I know they have their limits and problems. I am hoping our group can work with DSS/CPS (whatever it is in your area) and not against them.
I actually joined websleuths a few years back with the Caylee Anthony case but couldn't remember what my sign in/password was back then (quite possibly "triaddogs").
My name is Kristie Pope and I'm a dog behaviorist from NC with a husband, three great kids and one great grandkid.
Hope this is not a spammy post or anything, just wanted to mention all this after catnron's post.

Now I know who you are God Bless you. Please let me know if there is anything I can help do to get the info about CASA out there.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Just a few quick thoughts this morning.

I've been intrigued by the Monte Carlo info for quite some time, but decided to set it aside. Here's why: 1). we have no way of verifying if this vehicle ever existed, or whether it was ever at this property. 2). It's entirely possible that if it did, at one time, exist, then it was never registered but perhaps "sold" anyway. 3). The information about this vehicle was given to the police. They have either checked it out and decided it's a dead end, or they consider the vehicle important and are working to locate it. Either way, LE isn't saying one word about it, so all of our speculation about it is just tail chasing at this point.

Last night, TL and I were discussing a possible time frame for when school officials and DSS came to the house. We know that it was Hudson School officials who came, so I'm assuming the residence they visited was the trailer in Hudson. I'm trying to pinpoint move in and move out dates for the trailer, but so far have come up empty handed. If anyone has this info, I'd be grateful if you could share it with me. In the meantime, I'll just keep digging. I believe it's important because I believe this "home inspection" that recently occured, or was about to occur, was a DSS inspection, and I believe it is what triggered the panicked fire/kidnapping fiasco.

 

[NancyA]

I hope they have good cell phone reception too when they do their alibi checks to see who's phone can drive by itself.

I wonder if a call was made to say the leg has been dropped off.

Maybe they used Bat phones...oops sorry wrong case.

Seriously this is just a theory, right? Not some concrete info you've been given as a family connection?

Edited to remove snark.

 

[myzzy]

A person with criminal record will have a hard time getting into Australia, well they demonstrate that on the Reality TV Show: Border Security

I wonder how on earth EB got into Australia in the first instance...:waitasec:

Or whatever her name was back then.

I would assume that the immigration process is similar to that of Canada, which I have gone through. Born and raised in the USA came to canada with my daughter. It took almost 1 year to go from application to canadian citizen. I had to do finger prints and FBI check along with a lot of other things. Also it was stated that if i had a crimal past my application would be denied.

I would believe that also if criminal activity happens in the usa by a non citizen that they could be asked to leave the country, as that would be grounds for them to be inadmissable to usa ( at least thats how it is here)