NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #36

[elepher50]

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

perp walk video of EB at this link (video box to the right).... looks like they caught her getting in the car for her ride to court

Nice one Nurse ... very nice.

 

[Wondergirl]

Quote by Makara:

snipped for brevity

IMO they were looking for small pieces of something ie, broken bits of the prosthesis.

BBM: Makara, that is an excellent point, thanks for bring it up.

When LE discovered the prosthesis and/or the mattress, evidence of burning on either of those items, could have caused the return to the home in search of more evidence.

 

[Etilema]

Would neighbors notice men comming and going from that house?
Have they noticed anything like that?

The way that house is located, in the midst of lots of businesses, rather than in a quiet residential street, would seem to make it less obvious if such a thing were going on. Also, lots of people aren't home during the day, so the neighbors may not have been around. All speculation and opinion.

 

[westsidefox64]

She looks like she gained alot of weight. :waitasec:

DIAL UP IS NOT GOOD !!!Can someone post a still pic please?

I think I have cried more today over everything this poor baby went through than I have since this all started. The story of LE placing toys at the base of the tree tore my heart up.

 

[ynotdivein]

The date I took from their website said Aug. 27 :waitasec:

http://sc.caldwellschools.com/education/school/school.php?sectionid=154

Maybe I have the wrong one? Under the "Parents & Students" tab, the "Calendar" tab?

 

[agathawannabe]

Would neighbors notice men comming and going from that house?
Have they noticed anything like that?

Those are good questions... for which I don't have any answers.

But "access" could also mean via webcam.

 

[PunKnLuV]

From Rad's rupdate picture it looks like the red~van~thingy is still out there at the house

Yes it was there all weekend. Also I did a quick drive by yesterday and I thought I saw the CSI vehicle as well.

Did another locale notice that the CSI van parked at the back of Clark's was still there?

 

[KikiWanBaniki]

OT Thanks Punk, tried that, no use. I'll be ok once I return to my doc visit in 2 months. They just have to adjust my meds then the insomnia goes away.

OT also lol, but I've read (and it's been my experience) that melatonin requires a lack of bright light to activate it. I know that sounds nuts, but supporting research abounds. Maybe you already tried that, too--just trying to help. Good luck with it; insomnia's no fun!

Okay--sorry mods, back on topic...

 

[netsleuther]

Sorry to go here... warning - nasty speculation:

If EB was selling "access" to Zahra, she might have done that at home during the day.

That would mean that visitors would be at the house, if the neighbors never saw Z, they probably never saw visitors too. It's going to be a guessing game until EB can explain why she wrote the note.

 

[elepher50]

Sorry to self-quote, but Hudson Elementary started August 25 this year.

Also, it is apparently located on "Roy E. Coffey Dr."

And the kids are having an attendance competition this fall for the opportunity to win a brand new bike.

:no:

This whole case just infuriates me - Zahra wanted a bike too .........:furious::furious::furious:

 

[badhorsie]

Sepsis can occur immediately. My niece went home one day from school with a sore throat. My brother gave her some aspirin (she was running a temperature) and something OTC (I think Theraflu). An hour later his wife went to check on her and she was bleeding out of every orifice in her body including her pores. They raced her to the ICU and though doctors, specialists and nurses worked tirelessly for the next 10 hours, she was pronounced dead....12 hours from onset, though she complained of sore throat only that afternoon.

Very very sorry about that Yellow Rose, (((hugs)))

 

[KikiWanBaniki]

Sepsis can occur immediately. My niece went home one day from school with a sore throat. My brother gave her some aspirin (she was running a temperature) and something OTC (I think Theraflu). An hour later his wife went to check on her and she was bleeding out of every orifice in her body including her pores. They raced her to the ICU and though doctors, specialists and nurses worked tirelessly for the next 10 hours, she was pronounced dead....12 hours from onset, though she complained of sore throat only that afternoon.

So sorry for your family's loss, Yellow Rose. Thanks for sharing it here.

 

[elepher50]

DIAL UP IS NOT GOOD !!!Can someone post a still pic please?

I think I have cried more today over everything this poor baby went through than I have since this all started. The story of LE placing toys at the base of the tree tore my heart up.

Here is one shot: - sorry can't get it to upload through work firewall.

 

[KPMcLovin]

Zahra would have loved the chance to win herself a bike. How proud she would have been if she could have done that.

Yep, this makes me tear up.

 

[Soulmagent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHSgshvtiKM
mark 2:00 watch his face!

I hadnt seen this before. It did answer the questions I had about the search for Zahra at the time the video was shot. I would like to know if they had since narrowed down when Zahra was last seen and got better information on a search area for Zahra.

That man had me almost in tears. I do not think we will be hearing anything but legal proceedings and a recovery in any detail at all. They are probably having a hard time focusing trying to keep the emotions in check in this case.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Below posts respectfully snipped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHSgshvtiKM
mark 2:00 watch his face!

I just found that if you right click on that video, there is an option to watch it in YouTube, and from there, you can save it to your Favorites, if you have an account there.

Yes and men especially cops don't cry easy or let that emotion out. He was on TV, that is even more telling that he broke up then. If ever a cop wants to hold it together it is while on TV. He tried so hard, his facial muscles you can tell were contracting to try and hold it back.

Edit to add: He also said no missing person or ABDUCTION

Over and over again we see them on TV trying their best to hold it together. My heart breaks for them.

Woa, not an abduction... boy, what does that tell you ? Kinda narrows down the field, huh.

I want to know what happened to Zahra but am so afraid we will all be even more horrified when and if we do find out.
JMO, MOO'S

Exactly. And given where the cadaver dogs hit, I see no way around it.
And if they do announce that on TV, I'm gonna loose it. FTLOG, how could anyone harm such a precious little girl, and also do that.

I read last night that the Grand Jury is meeting today, but I don't know if it's true, I don't think there was a news link included in the post.

I started myself a new Halloween tradition.... I filled a little bag with some of my favorite candy. I tied it with a white ribbon and sat it on the railing of my deck. I placed a flameless candle next to it to help light the way.

I know it's silly but she didn't get to dress up this year or have fun with her friends getting scared. She didn't get to trick or treat and enjoy her own candy but her own candy is waiting for her anyway.

I'm going to continue this every year for the kids we fall in love with and who's stories remind us there will be one less trick or treater that year. This year was for Zahra. :hug:

MandyLeigh, that is so sweet.

I don't think it's silly. I have a small magnetic photo of Caylee on my refridgerator, and I'm going to get one of Susan, Kyron, HaLeigh, and Zahra. One of our members' uncle is creating and naming an African Violet after Zahra, and entering it into next year's show. Purple with a little yellow, I think it is.

I imagine there are many of us that honor them in one way or another.
*********

I've cried over Caylee, Susan, HaLeigh, Kyron, and Zahra. Many times I have thought to myself, how odd this is to cry over people I don't even know. Would others think me a nutcase if they knew ?

Then one day it dawned on me, that if we don't cry for them, who will.

For those interested, on Thu and Fri night, JVM is doing a 2 part special: "Every Parent's Nightmare." Somer Thompson's Mother is one of the guests.

jmo, etc...

~~~I use my own style of punctuation~~~​

 

[Mountain_Kat]

http://sc.caldwellschools.com/education/school/school.php?sectionid=154

Maybe I have the wrong one? Under the "Parents & Students" tab, the "Calendar" tab?

Nope...you had the right one, I had the wrong one. My bad.

 

[SherlockHomey]

The stepmother of Zahra Baker is expected to appear in court in Burke County on Monday to face a larceny charge unrelated to the girl's dissapearance.

I just got this now. It's Burke County not Catawba county where she is being held. This means they will have to transport her there.

Also, they are back at the Hickory home with the CSI truck.

 

[Yellow Rose]

It is still very hard to talk about though I needed to get the point across that sepsis is a very serious matter that can kill instantaneously or over a period of just one to two days. So if it turns out that our dear Z suffered from infection and its resulting sepsis....well you understand where I'm going. I'm not saying I think this is what happened however. I have yet to form an opinion on that and much like the rest of you, have a very difficult time coping with the "visuals" in regards to this beautiful freckle-faced little girl that I would have loved to call my own. I also have a hard time keeping up with these posts!

 

[gitana1]

No need to apologize, I don't feel picked on! I said that the accidental drug overdose was wishful thinking more than anything. But I'm looking for something to explain AB's behavior. He definitely loves his daughter, or he would have left her behind in Australia, I'm fairly convinced about that part. Instead, he went to a lot of trouble and inconvenience to bring her here, so it's not logical that he would then want to get rid of her suddenly, with or without EB.

An angelic child must be pretty inconvenient if you're a dark gothic fairy though, which is what I think EB meant by the "dark child...lol" comment - meaning, "here's the child that doesn't fit in". Now I can believe that she would want to get rid of Z, but I still don't think AB's love for his new wife with whom he was arguing, was so blind that he would go along with a heinous crime and kill his own child who he had raised as a single dad for most of his life. I'm not buying it, and I don't think LE thinks so either, or he wouldn't be out on bail.

That's just not the way it works - a single parent who gets into arguments with a new partner is more likely to turn to the child for additional support, not push them further away. They're a team remember, and it's the new partner who is the outsider. Similarly, since the neighbors heard the arguments, so did the child, so it would only be natural for Z to stand up to EB and defend her father. That could have been the motive right there for EB, but not for AB to go along with any cover up. For that to happen, AB would need to be convinced that it was an accident. You probably had all these conversations already in threads I have not been able to keep up with, but while I do not think he's entirely innocent, it's just not logical (to me) that AB would agree to be involved in any cover up unless:

1. it was a genuine accidental death or
2. EB convinced him it was accidental.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. Either that, or he's telling 100% truth and knows nothing about it, but I find that hard to believe. I think he knows more than he's telling right now.

I also think it's possible that Zhara had her "accident" and passed away before they ever moved into that house, she was only stored there for a while. If she died in the house and the body was transported away from the house in the car, why look in the garden?

But you guys know better...I don't follow things here too much, and this doesn't make a whole lot of sense at all.....poor Zhara, I hope she manages to show someone she loves the truth of what happened to her, eventually.

You know it's very weird how many cases we see of formerly caring parents, or what looking like devoted, dedicated parents, who later either kill, help kill or allow to be killed, their own kids. I see countless cases where mommy allows her new man to beat, rape and torture her kids, for example, even using crazy glue to hold her child's little head together after a severe beating, rather than taking said child to the ER.
I also see many cases where people, like casey anthony, elizabeth johnson, for example, have the choice of not raising the child they cannot handle, and maybe resent, but instead stubbornly insist on possession and end up killing their kid rather than allowing those who adore the child to have that which is their "property."
AB could have been like that: "No one's raising MY kid!" Or, he could have just thought it would look bad to leave Zahra behind, or perhaps he felt it would be irresponsible to leave her behind and felt compelled to take her.
I get the sense that AB was not abusive before and did not know what things in the U.S. would be like. I think he's likely passive, like many people who allow their kids to be harmed by the new mate, and was just desperate for a relationship. I don't think the abuse started right away. It probably was subtle at first and as EB saw how much she could get away with, she increased her rage against sweet Zahra.
I think AB was in love with EB (ick). I think he was willing to overlook certain things to keep his new special lady (double ick). She probably told him she is a mom and knows how to raise a kid and that he's too soft on her, etc. He might have convinced himself that she was right, because he no longer had $ to get back home, and did not want to have to admit defeat and ask for help from his relatives. He was probably also trying to hang on to the fantasy of a lovely relationship with a woman who actually came all the way to OZ to get him.
This happens all the time - women who sacrifice their kids in unimaginable ways, just to keep a relationship. I don't know why we are more reluctant to accept that it happens with men as well. I get the sense that AB had a hard time finding a woman where he lived - smallish town, he's not that attractive, etc. He probably was pretty reluctant to give up a "prize" like EB. :sick:
In any event, there is just no way, if EB was systematically abusing Zahra, that he failed to notice. DSS was coming to the house. The school complained. He must have seen bruises. He must have seen how violent and creepy EB was with his child. He knew. He just tried to look the other way. And when EB beat her to death, which is precisely what I think occurred, AB realized he was in deep doo doo and helped to cover up the crime. IMO, he is a likely a weak person whose own interests take precedence over those of his daughter, or of justice. His reaction to the "fire", the attempted kidnapping of his bosses daughter and then the disappearance of his own child say everything I need to know about this man. He did not care when it counted, not nearly enough. He doesn't care now, except for saving himself and secondly, his sweetheart. :twocents: