NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #39

[Mountain_Kat]

Love ya MK but gota disagree here. She is not insane. Immature, emotioanlly arrested, p*xxpoor excuse for a human being does not Insanity make.

Hugs, sorry but I feel very strongly about this one.

I'm definitely not saying that she is insane, TL. I'm just saying that after reading this letter, I don't know what to think any more. Mentally ill? That I'd bet my farm on. But she clearly has some grasp on reality and she definitely knows right from wrong. IMO

 

[Meagain]

Letters remind me of Casey

 

[Meagain]

I'm definitely not saying that she is insane, TL. I'm just saying that after reading this letter, I don't know what to think any more. Mentally ill? That I'd bet my farm on. But she clearly has some grasp on reality and she definitely knows right from wrong. IMO

IDK. I'm in one of my 'simplify things' "kinda" mood. Maybe she's just an a-hole.

 

[tlcya]

Playing devil's advocate (literally... lol)

What is she confessing to?
An accident and a panicked response to the death?
What kind of accident?
Is it one you can even attach negligence to?
and if you can't you charge her with what?
obstruction, already done.
abuse of a corpse?
she says he did it?

if the accident was negligent how do you prove it?
and who was responsible for her?

And if it was a negligent or abusive act, who delivered the blow?
You have his word against hers as the only eye witnesses and they both have major credibility issues. She admits she wrote the cover up note. He is on tape selling some BS story to a 911 operator in the same cover up.

This why I think he disposed of the body.
And she thinks he used the woodchipper because it would destroy any chance at showing cause of death. And he told her used it. That is why LE ripped that thing apart. But maybe he didn't use it, maybe he couldn't stomach it, so maybe there is a skull fracture out there to be found. Maybe.

Respectfully

All of the above is why I don't buy it. I can't stand things that wrap up into neat little packages based on letters from an ALLEGED EB from jail to a purported fan, suitor?? Is that enough for me, no, entirely selfserving, removing alleged EB from the crimes to the least denominator. Not buying, not even window shopping.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I do not believe she is insane; with the qualifier being the definition of "legally insane". She would have to NOT KNOW the difference between right and wrong. She very clearly knows the difference between right and wrong in a lot of her statements: "what he did was horrifying"; "I admitted to writing the note"; "after the fact".

Plus just writing the note - she was covering up something she knew was wrong.

Nope, she sure ain't insane.

With the qualifier being the definition of "legally insane", agreed. But I do think her grasp of reality is tenuous. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Agreed Pondering. It is purely discretionary as to how far they may go with leniency and varies from one institution to another. IMO

I read your post and it got me to thinking..IF this is true..when this letter was mailed out..would it have been legal for LE to intercept it (or any other letter) just because they didn't want the info in the letter 'out there'? I know it sounds like a stupid question, probably doesn't make sense, lol..and not that it would have even been the case here anyway..but just in general..can LE withhold mail from an inmate or refuse to mail a letter just because..

 

[ynotdivein]

The 7th Circuit Federal Appeals Court recently ruled on this issue.

CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
Jail Mail from Attorney Must Be Opened in Inmate

Ow.

Would serve her right tho.

(Ok really to bed now!)

 

[Suthrnqt]

From my experience, at least regarding/incoming mail to a jail/prison..which as I mentioned is limited to books and magazines..the jailers have MUCHO leeway, imo to what they can/won't allow in as far as content. That can be such a gray area that could be used to punish an inmate or to the advantage of LE.

You are so right Pondering. Letters, pics and packages are confiscated every day. It is at the discretion of the detention officers. If pics are too suggestive, contain gang logos/hand signs or are Polaroids, they are not given to the inmate. Same thing goes with any mail that is sent to the detention center.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Fail-

 

[essies]

copy and paste

“We really didn't kill her but what he did after the fact is kinda horrifying. Makes me scared of him.”

really didn't kill her:furious: Can that be used in court?

and what in the heck is kinda

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

why are we not seeing some charges? this sound like a confess:furious:

iIF the letter is authentic-then I think "we really didn't kill her" means they let her die!!:furious: And I still think there is a good possiblity that her stump was infected and she developed blood poisoning because they didn't seek medical attention!!:furious:
How poor Zahra was disposed of is still so speculative-but all my speculations are too awful to type!!:banghead:
RIP little one-You're in God's hands now!!

 

[Etilema]

EB is surely mentally ill.
EB is not criminally insane.
Those two are worlds apart.

Criminally insane impacts guilt, she is not criminally insane.
Mentally ill could be introduced during sentencing depending on what she is convicted of, but most people who are convicted have mental or emotional histories. I don't think it will be relevant.

You can think you are a vampire.
But when you cover up your vampire crimes, you are criminally sane.

I agree with your points.

But I almost feel like she is not competent to stand trial because of some combination of dimwittedness (not much apparent mental capacity) and delusional thinking. I mean, she really does not seem to understand what she is involved in, the gravity and enormity of it. She is talking in those letters about *maybe* not being out of jail for Thanksgiving or Christmas! She is talking about being allowed to go to the media with her story. I'm not convinced she can comprehend advice from her lawyers.

JMO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Wonder what AB's mood is tonight? In that video of him coming out of the house - he sure didn't look too "positive". I can't imagine going back in there after all that CSI demolition. They leave a real mess. Had a classroom broken into one night and a bunch of stuff stolen. They came through a top window and across my desk - when I was allowed back in - there was black fingerprint dust EVERYWHERE and my desk was covered with it.

Can you imagine what the inside of that house looked like? Chunks of floor missing, cabinets off the walls, big sections of walls gone - and all the time HE KNOWS what they found and where and why!!!! How could he live with himself. I feel sorry for his mother (if that's who that was) - what she must have been thinking seeing that.

 

[branwynbreeze]

I am a bit tired so hope this makes sense. She mentions weight loss and people speculating over drug use. No one has mentioned an employer short of embezzlement awhile back, so what the heck did she do? I don't see her exercising or house proud (making living areas a real home) with all moves, so.......

My guess is she sat on her duff in front of computer flirting when not having issues with family members. Seems to me she tried a little womanly charm on EG in those letters. Old habits die hard.

Moo A Doodle Moo

 

[sunsetbeach]

PURE SPECULATION BELOW

Perhaps one of them were kicked out or too disturbed to be there and so slept in the vehicle?

PURE SPECULATION ABOVE

Anyone want to lay odds on whether allegedy EB would leave behind her warm waterbed?

Ok isn't the back of the tire place nearest the side of the house with the driveway? Also isn't there a business right across the street? So if the car was parked far enough down the drive and it was night time maybe no one would notice. There has to be a reason the blankets etc were in that company car because they had moved into that house weeks before. It's not like they just never got around to taking that stuff in. I mean he used that vehicle everyday. So why leave that stuff in there unless someone was using it?

These are all just questions in my mind.

Does anyone remember a neighbor (where they used to live) saying they saw EB using the woodchipper?

 

[Etilema]

iIF the letter is authentic-then I think "we really didn't kill her" means they let her die!!:furious: And I still think there is a good possiblity that her stump was infected and she developed blood poisoning because they didn't seek medical attention!!:furious:
How poor Zahra was disposed of is still so speculative-but all my speculations are too awful to type!!:banghead:
RIP little one-You're in God's hands now!!

RETRACTING what I wrote below. I went back and checked the actual handwritten letter (rather than quotes in some of the news reports) and see that the ABOVE wording is correct: We really didn't kill her.

I just want to point out that the actual wording was "We didn't really kill her", which could be read to mean they didn't REALLY kill her, they merely did something which led to her death (or, as some have suggested, assisted in her transition to another form of life or some sh*t like that).

In other words, not even as "innocent" as "letting her die".

JMO

 

[impatientredhead]

Respectfully

All of the above is why I don't buy it. I can't stand things that wrap up into neat little packages based on letters from an ALLEGED EB from jail to a purported fan, suitor?? Is that enough for me, no, entirely selfserving, removing alleged EB from the crimes to the least denominator. Not buying, not even window shopping.

I don't buy it either, just commenting on why it isn't a confession that leads to a murder one indictment. :twocents:

 

[tehcloser]

I agree with your points.

But I almost feel like she is not competent to stand trial because of some combination of dimwittedness (not much apparent mental capacity) and delusional thinking. I mean, she really does not seem to understand what she is involved in, the gravity and enormity of it. She is talking in those letters about *maybe* not being out of jail for Thanksgiving or Christmas! She is talking about being allowed to go to the media with her story. I'm not convinced she can comprehend advice from her lawyers.

JMO

Oh she comprehends just fine. She is on the hunt in those letters. And we all know what she's hunting for................:banghead: Another fool.

 

[kalekona]

I do believe that they read it basically line for line. I know that the inmate has a responsibility to inform you of inappropriate language, etc that could cause them to lose writing privileges. There are a lot of INS and outs and rules that you deal with if you correspond with an inmate. This of course is from the prison level but from my experience county jail is much more strict often with less privileges for the inmate.

You are correct- much harder in jail than prison. (dad is retired correction officer, and LEO)
With your normal inmate, the drug charges,DUI's, theft and such they are not going to waste time reading all mail going in or out- they will open everything and check for contraband. But someone high profile like EB i'm sure they would watch much more closely.

 

[Suthrnqt]

The 7th Circuit Federal Appeals Court recently ruled on this issue.

CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
Jail Mail from Attorney Must Be Opened in Inmate

I am sure that your facts are right. Maybe in DOC or Federal facilities this is the rule of thumb. But in the county detention center where I am currently employed, ALL mail is opened. Period.

 

[Laddsy]

I feel sorry for his mother (if that's who that was) - what she must have been thinking seeing that.

That is one of the things I just cant grasp. Why is she still standing behind him??? I can understand a Mothers unconditional love, but this is way beyond anything a Mother could handle. Does she really believe he is totally innocent? I dont care if he didn't deliver the blow or hide the body (or body parts), but he IS INVOLVED IN SOME CAPACITY!