NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #4

[tlcya]

The hits on the two different chippers have me really worried. I don't even know the least horrible way to type this but if you are sick enough to use a chipper, couldn't you also be sick enough to dispose in multiple locations? I hope you get where I'm going. I don't think I can type it out what my worst fear would be.

makes you wonder if the disposal started at home by an amature who didn't think it through and had to call for help with moving things to remote location with bigger chippers in order to finish. Help in the form of a professional is called in and both parties went to remote location, gloves were used by whoever physically moved the patially destroyed remains to remote location. Opun returningto the family home the individuals then tried to burn the pile of mulch where disposal began along with gloves. One of which did not make it into the fire, they had to move quickly with the burning, what if a neighbor phoned it in? Other glove hastily tossed while a ransom note is composed gasoline spattered about and note left on car.

911 is placed by SM because it looks less like they set it and someone may call, better be me.

Jeez, even all clinical like that it is so disturbing.

 

[Kat]

MOO is that there are multiple locations and it is going to be horrible.

I'm with you elepher. My gut tells me this is going to be UGLY. Capital U ugly, as if it weren't already kwim?

I don't know whether to cry out of despair for this beautiful child or to cry out of disgust at what it looks like was done this beautiful child.

JMHO.

 

[SuziQ]

She was actually 85 lbs. In the first reports that came out it was incorrectly reported as 54lbs. I'm taking into consideration that Elise doesn't look exactly athletic and possible rigor could have set in. I'm 115 lbs. but strong and I really doubt I could move her. I don't even want to know what would be involved with the wood chipper. What type of strength or maneuvers that involves.

About a year ago in Oregon, a tiny little thing of a woman killed her tall and big husband and ran his body through a woodchipper.

 

[gibby207]

Gets me to wondering what the benefit of two vehicles would be. Almost leads you to believe both vehicles were at the chipper site for whatever reason, maybe one transported the body and the other arrived seperately, the gloves being carried home in the one that didn't take the body there?

hmmm train of thought, leaving the station.

Yeah... unfortunately I thought both at the site... and, I read earlier that 2 woodchippers were hit on so... (sighhhhh) I don't wanna be too graphic but let's just say they possibly tried close to home and when it didn't work well, then went for a larger chipper. I don't even wanna type that...

 

[tlcya]

the multiple chippers has me confused because (major graphic warning for those that want to move past this post) she was small enough to not need to be dismembered to go thru an industrial chipper. This is not a backyard chipper, grown men working this equipment have been pulled through them, so dismemberment ala Fargo would not be needed.

But what if one of the machines is finer in what it spits out (sorry, I know that is horrible) but what if they took the mulch from the large machine and refed it through the smaller one? It would explain the multiple chippers, the multiple mulch piles involved.

It is the only scenario I can make sense out of.

talk about same page!

 

[Oriah]

She was actually 85 lbs. In the first reports that came out it was incorrectly reported as 54lbs. I'm taking into consideration that Elise doesn't look exactly athletic and possible rigor could have set in. I'm 115 lbs. but strong and I really doubt I could move her. I don't even want to know what would be involved with the wood chipper. What type of strength or maneuvers that involves.

She is still in NCMEC at 55lbs. I think the initial weight listed as 85 lbs might have been the incorrect one.

http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

 

[gibby207]

the multiple chippers has me confused because (major graphic warning for those that want to move past this post) she was small enough to not need to be dismembered to go thru an industrial chipper. This is not a backyard chipper, grown men working this equipment have been pulled through them, so dismemberment ala Fargo would not be needed.

But what if one of the machines is finer in what it spits out (sorry, I know that is horrible) but what if they took the mulch from the large machine and refed it through the smaller one? It would explain the multiple chippers, the multiple mulch piles involved.

It is the only scenario I can make sense out of.

Oh... sorry... as great Aquarians think alike , I posted mine without reading yours first. That's what I was trying to say... you'll see when you get there.

 

[darnudes]

Or perhaps sm took her there, couldn't run the shredder on her own, called dad and coerced him to help her cover up, resulting in him arriving later.

just a theory....and not a very good one.

Her dad is pretty old and looks frail, I can't imagine him having anything to do with it.

 

[tlcya]

redhead and gibby and me makes three. We hav ejsut espoused our first working theory on this one kids.

 

[gibby207]

Oz media reporting on Zahra

http://media.theage.com.au/national/selections/discovery-at-home-of-missing-zahra-1983294.html

You know, I loved ya, darnudes, in Caylee's forum, and how fancy we meet when it hits close to your home. Thanks for your invaluable info. (hugs)

 

[impatientredhead]

Why did the dogs hit on both vehicles? Wouldn't only one be needed?

Did the SM bring the wood chips back to the house to burn them along with other evidence? That would give her a few hours if the time line starts at the last time she heard Zahra cough to the fire in the back yard.

(No matter what the situation is regarding Zehra's birth mother, I'm sure she wanted her daughter to live a happy full life. I pray for her hurting heart tonight.)

I have a couple of scenarios, assuming she was deceased for sometime she may have been in vehicle A and then the plan for the jobsite came to light and they moved her to Dad's work vehicle.

Or she left the property in Dad's work vehicle and what ever was wrapped around her for transport (blanket, carpet, etc....) was moved to SMs trunk for disposal and left the decomp scent in both vehicles

The SUV was the one they doused in gas, that is the one I am expecting to have the most evidence. The "good" news is there is no way did this and did not bring bloody mulch into the vehicle with them. The evidence will be overwhelming.

 

[shefner]

Her dad is pretty old and looks frail, I can't imagine him having anything to do with it.

I think they are referring to Zahra's dad here.....not step-mom's dad.

 

[gibby207]

About a year ago in Oregon, a tiny little thing of a woman killed her tall and big husband and ran his body through a woodchipper.

Yeeeup! (I'm in WA.)

 

[impatientredhead]

Her dad is pretty old and looks frail, I can't imagine him having anything to do with it.

Adam look old and frail?
He does manual labor for a living.
Are you thinking of the neighbor near the job site with the oxygen tank?

Or am I really confused?

 

[Kat]

55 or 85 pounds, I'll be very honest here, I'm a middle aged mom, extremely out of shape,and I could do it if I was motivated. Honestly. No doubt in my mind.

Come Heck or high water I could move a deceased human being that weighed that much or little or I could also move any inanimate object of that weight if I were motivated enough.

Like we discussed back thread. No need to carry what can be drug, pushed, shoved, wrapped in sheets or a blanket and drug to the place to which it was wanted. Lifting would be minor.

JMHO.

 

[nobodyspecial]

Has it been confirmed there was nothing in Zahra's room?

If so, then how did anyone know the hearing aids were left behind? In another room? Where? Why?

 

[strach304]

Can you buy these in pawn shops maybe??!! My dad was in a pawn shop today....the owner was talking about the case and how "that crazy lady" was in his shop weeks ago....and that she deserved everything coming to her! Timeline may be off....but she may have frequented the shop often?!

Oh yes just like guns. Can get them on ebay too. I didn't get one when I found out they were illegal. I once sold a .22 in a pawn shop no questions asked. It was mine that my ex husband bought for me and I wanted to get rid of it. I was so shocked.

 

[tfrohning]

Soooo I took my own time out and now I'm back- and sorry for the moment everyone, and paying attention to the thread itself now.

Weather in this area currently:
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/USNC0312

Cool and damp basically.

I understand theses cases are so hard and we feel so help less.

((hugs))

 

[Debbie3223]

I'm assuming your "10/09" is in Euro/UK/Aussie format, meaning September 10.

its October 9 2010

the daY SHE WAS finally reported missing/./ this past saturday

 

[sherbetjello]

Adam look old and frail?
He does manual labor for a living.
Are you thinking of the neighbor near the job site with the oxygen tank?

Or am I really confused?

yes, that is confusion. he is not old, nor frail. he is 33, IIRC, and 250 beefy pounds,