NCAA Sanctions: "DP" for Penn Football, or...?

[costalpilot]

the lubranos of the world apparent;y do not understand that the full ncaa board, made up of University Presidents, were ready to SHUT DOWN the penn state football program for a period of years, in addition to other significant penalties, and that Erickson took the best deal he could get for the university and the football program...which is LUCKY to be alive. and that this was because of the institutional failure of the university to control the football progam; no, lubrano still persisits with his joe fantasies. reminds me of other die hard true believers of the past century, slavishly devoted to dark, sick myths which the rest of the world knows are wrong but which they fail to see, bound as they are by their devotion.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ard-signals-support-president-rodney-erickson

penn states new problem are these true believers. they are the schools worst enemy going forward. do they think the 2A is just kidding when it says their progtam was run amuck and that it must never happen again? oh no, I know what they say: the 2A is WRONG. the freeh report is WRONG. joepa was RIGHT. we were fine, just fine. ya got us all wrong. your all wrong. you just dont get it.

right.

 

[BigCat]

the lubranos of the world apparent;y do not understand that the full ncaa board, made up of University Presidents, were ready to SHUT DOWN the penn state football program for a period of years, in addition to other significant penalties, and that Erickson took the best deal he could get for the university and the football program...which is LUCKY to be alive. and that this was because of the institutional failure of the university to control the football progam; no, lubrano still persisits with his joe fantasies. reminds me of other die hard true believers of the past century, slavishly devoted to dark, sick myths which the rest of the world knows are wrong but which they fail to see, bound as they are by their devotion.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ard-signals-support-president-rodney-erickson

penn states new problem are these true believers. they are the schools worst enemy going forward. do they think the 2A is just kidding when it says their progtam was run amuck and that it must never happen again? oh no, I know what they say: the 2A is WRONG. the freeh report is WRONG. joepa was RIGHT. we were fine, just fine. ya got us all wrong. your all wrong. you just dont get it.

right.

I couldn't agree with you more. To me there is no more intriguing phenomenon in human history than mass delusion. In particular, I've always been fascinated by the 17th century Turkish Jew Sabbatai Zevi, who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. Suspicious of his large following, the Turkish authorities imprisoned him and he eventually converted to Islam. So you would think there would have been massive disillusionment amongst his followers. Not for the true believers. They converted to Islam and denounced Judaism. In their minds, to be a follower of the Jewish Messiah meant reviling Judaism. Does that make any sense? It makes about as much sense as Penn State fanatics believing the way to restore JoePa's legacy is to destroy the university in the process.

It doesn't have to be that way. Penn State football can survive the NCAA sanctions, which, while tough, are hardly insurmountable. Bill O'Brien was actually working on a decent recruiting class, even after the sanctions were announced, but he's been losing quality recruits lately. High school kids read message boards. They don't see optimism on the PSU boards. All they see is hatred and vile, not only for outsiders, but for the leadership of the university as well. Why would any kid want to be a part of that?

 

[Rlaub44]

Interesting column today wondering how NCAA will respond to the widening North Carolina "no-show classes for athletes" scandal, in the aftermath of the severity of Penn State's sanctions.

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/08/as_north_carolina_academic_sca.html

 

[Reader]

NCAA appeal a losing battle? Experts: PSU has little recourse, risks reviving negative message

When it comes to the NCAA, due process and other standards of a court of law don’t apply.

That’s according to one expert in NCAA regulations and enforcement. David Ridpath, associate professor of sports management at Ohio University, said Penn State doesn’t have to be a member of the NCAA if it doesn’t like the sanctions the organization imposed on the university for its role in the Jerry Sandusky scandal. But, in this case, Penn State President Rodney Erickson already signed off on the penalties..........

Gene Grabowski, senior vice president at Levick Strategic Communications, said if Penn State wants to get past the crisis it will have to find a way to get those appealing the decisions to stop. Otherwise, Grabowski said, from a communications perspective, the continuing story will be disastrous for the university.

“It keeps everyone thinking and talking about the past and old wounds, rather than moving forward,” he said.........

Roberts, a sports law expert, said he thinks the NCAA knew the legal risks, but was hoping Penn State wouldn’t challenge them. The association assumed and appears to have been proven correct that the president and most trustees wouldn’t want to put the university through a lengthy legal battle.

“The university is not on the side of the angels in this whole case,” Roberts said. “They don’t need to have the world reminded on a daily basis that this happened at Penn State.”................

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/08/12/3296944/ncaa-appeal-a-losing-battle.html#storylink=cpy

 

[costalpilot]

now they have a web site, a poll that shows most respondents (who knows what the quality of the poll might have been) are misinformed as to the facts of the case, ( to joepas detriment: they are affronted) and they are organizing for the restoration, joepa will rise again.

amazing how they focus on the lost leader as a catalyst for their struggle.

true believers engaged in what is becoming something like a sacred crusade.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9226646

 

[Tipstaff]

And the beat goes on -

Spanier's lawyers to rebut Freeh report
By The Associated Press 12:05 p.m.
Attorneys for Penn State's ousted president are planning a news conference to rebut what they view as inaccuracies in a report that concluded he concealed …

remainder can be found in breaking news at www.triblive.com.

 

[Reader]

HOW YOU CAN HELP CLEAR JOE and Reverse the Sanctions

http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-you-can-help-clear-joe-and-reverse.html

WE NEED SOME HELP from anyone here who would like to help with the effort to clear Joe Paterno and who would like to join our team of online volunteers to help gather information and steer readers to Framing Paterno and The Second Mile Sandusky Scandal websites. There is plenty you can do to help just devoting a few minutes each day.

[Check out another T-shirt: The Freeh Stooges
http://www.forever409.com/]

Also notice they would much rather it be a 2nd Mile scandal.....I haven't checked that site out yet.....and yes, 2nd Mile most likely is being investigated and hopefully will pay the price if their org and executives did not act correctly re: JS...but that is not going to change what the PSU 4 did either.....

One thing I do like about the site is the good links they have on the R...

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Did Freeh Frame Joe Paterno?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Did-Freeh-Framed-Joe-Pater-by-Barry-Bozeman-120810-840.html

The FactFreeh Fiction contains several examples of the most egregious stretching of slim "evidence" to construct absurd conclusions that Joe Paterno and PSU were culpable in covering up for Jerry Sandusky........more and more and more......

5 pages of this guy's 'analysis' of the Freeh report.....which is not gonna change anything...not the report, not the sanctions and the BOT is not gonna resign just because they say so....

I'm beginning to think not only are these people deluded about JP being their savior and could do no wrong, but that they are just spoiled...lol...they don't like what happened and they want it changed NOW, how they want, do you hear? and if you don't we will tell you over and over and over.....and we will rant and rant too, lol....and never give up until JP gets his reputation and wins back,,,,,mainly the WINS...because that's what was most important...the football wins......

Sad....eh?

I wonder if these people would ever consider doing something positive like....volunteer to help abused children??

IMO

 

[Rlaub44]

When I was at Penn State, Shane Conlan lived on the same dorm floor as I did (nice guy, but an imposing specimen). In this article, Jack Ham and Conlan share their thoughts about the NCAA sanctions, new coach Bill O'Brien, and some of the players that have chosen to stay at PSU.

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/c...any-Lion-speaks-out-against-NCAA.html?nav=746

 

[Rlaub44]

Sara Ganim reported yesterday that the Attorney General's office has been asked to look into whether President Erickson had the authority to sign the consent decree accepting the NCAA sanctions/
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/09/penn_state_boards_handling_of.html

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Sara Ganim reported yesterday that the Attorney General's office has been asked to look into whether President Erickson had the authority to sign the consent decree accepting the NCAA sanctions/
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/09/penn_state_boards_handling_of.html

It's high profile, but I would doubt they would intervene. They have a habit of not doing so.

 

[Rlaub44]

It's high profile, but I would doubt they would intervene. They have a habit of not doing so.

The can of worms it would open would be unbelievable - I agree that they probably won't get involved.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The can of worms it would open would be unbelievable - I agree that they probably won't get involved.

I speak from experience. In my consulting, I deal with a nonprofits whose members often complain about bylaw violation and complain to the state. I've never known it to go anywhere, unless there is a violation of state law.

Usually, the disgruntled members (who often have very good cause to be disgruntled), will have to file a civil suit. The problem for the alumni is that, technically, they are not "members" of the university, as a corporate body. The alumni, faculty, students, Paterno family, rabid football fans, whomever, have no standing to sue. The case may be toss out on that ground.

The board members are however, members. In theory, Lubrano, et al., could. However, there is a principle that the members first must try to remedy the situation internally. He hasn't, as of yet. He could vote to rescind the consent decree, but that would be an admission that it was valid in the first place.

There is another problem. By Penn State entering into the NCAA, all those years ago, they granted the president the authority to do certain things. An argument can be made that because Penn State signed on to the NCAA, that granted the president the authority to come up with this.

And, the trustees did delegate to the president broad powers:

ORDER X. DELEGATION OF CORPORATE AUTHORITY
(1) Board of Trustees Delegation of Authority to Certain University Administrative Officers. The President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, Assistant Treasurer, Senior Vice President for Finance and Business, and Corporate Controller of this Corporation, or any one of such officers be and they are hereby fully authorized and empowered on behalf of the Corporation to execute and acknowledge all deeds, agreements and contracts, and to transfer and endorse, sell, assign, set over and deliver any and all shares of stock, bonds, debentures, notes, evidences of indebtedness or other securities now or hereafter standing in the name of or owned by this Corporation, and to make, execute, acknowledge, and deliver, under the corporate seal of this Corporation, any and all written instruments necessary or proper to effectuate the authority hereby conferred.

http://www.psu.edu/trustees/pdf/standingorders.pdf

[BBM]

They could have instructed the president not sign without approval, but they didn't. Lubrano, et al., didn't even attempt to prevent it.

And then, of course, assume that they successfully rescind the consent decree. The NCAA, effectively, gave Penn State a plea deal, because:

A. Penn State had no prior violations.

B. Penn State cooperated.

If it is rescinded, Penn State is no longer cooperating. The NCAA would be justified in imposing a harsher penalty, including the death penalty.

So, they can rename the stadium after the former coach, "The Joe Paterno Memorial Flea Market." That would basically kill the economy in State College.

 

[Rlaub44]

A panel of experts, including former NCAA presidents, disagree with the NCAA's handling of the sanctions and PSU's acceptance of same:

Former NCAA presidents did not shy away from giving their opinions on the NCAA’s procedure or how Penn State handled the sanctions.

Cedric Dempsey, NCAA president from 1994 through 2002, said Penn State should not have agreed to the consent package that NCAA President Mark Emmert presented.

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/10/...#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop#storylink=cpy​

 

[Reader]

Penn State integrity monitor releases first report

http://www.whptv.com/news/local/sto...ases-first-report/bnVsg_hBYUWYfpaZcjNkHw.cspx

Sen. George Mitchell, the independent third-party athletics integrity monitor for Penn State, issued his first report on the University's performance under the Athletics Integrity Agreement, which was entered into as part of the consent decree imposed by the NCAA.

"This report indicates the strength of Penn State’s continuing commitment to integrity, responsibility, institutional control and ethical conduct, as well as the significant progress that Penn State has made since July," said University President Rodney Erickson..................


The report:
http://www.dlapiper-ncaapsu.com/ncaa_penn_state_report_1.pdf

 

[Rlaub44]

State Senator Jake Corman (R-Centre) is introducing legislation to attempt to keep Penn State's NCAA fine in Pennsylvania. I was interested in Governor Corbett's statement, as I hadn't heard him weigh in on the NCAA's actions:

In a statement, Gov. Tom Corbett endorsed Corman's bill.

"The NCAA, as an athletic trade association, overstepped its authority by forcing Penn State to endure harsh, unjustified and unprecedented punishment," Corbett said.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/12/penn_state_sandusky_ncaa.html#incart_m-rpt-2

I'm only surprised because it isn't the usual middle-of-the-road statement one would expect from a politician; perhaps "One-Term Tommy" is hoping to rebuild support from Penn State alumni and fans?

 

[Twindad]

I agree with the comments from the article stating the Pennsylvania legislature has no jurisdiction in this matter and can't enforce any law passed. Corbett and Corman are just looking for votes. It is long past time for Corbett to say anything, that passed when the BOT, of which he is a member, agreed to pay the fine. PSU doesn't have to pay the fine, they can just withdraw from the NCAA.

 

[Rlaub44]

I agree with the comments from the article stating the Pennsylvania legislature has no jurisdiction in this matter and can't enforce any law passed. Corbett and Corman are just looking for votes. It is long past time for Corbett to say anything, that passed when the BOT, of which he is a member, agreed to pay the fine. PSU doesn't have to pay the fine, they can just withdraw from the NCAA.

Bolded by me:

It certainly seems like The Honorable Mr. Corbett is feeling left out by the other trustees these days. Recently he weighed in on his dissatisfaction with the raise given to PSU President Rodney Erickson:

Governor Corbett sits on the Board of Trustees but says he didn't get a heads-up about Erickson's salary bump.
"I was unaware of it until I saw it on the news," Corbett said when asked about it at an unrelated news conference Thursday.
"You're a member of the board of trustees, right? How do you feel about that?" Corbett was asked.
"I was a little surprised," he answered. "I think the timing is inappropriate."
http://www.abc27.com/story/20397385/corbett-alums-blast-psu-prez-ericksons-raise

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I think you have to understand that all governors are members ex officio and have traditionally rarely attended the meeting.

 

[Rlaub44]

I think you have to understand that all governors are members ex officio and have traditionally rarely attended the meeting.

Thanks JJ. I understand that, but was responding to the Governor's apparent disapproval of the 16% raise given to Erickson. The media is portraying it as if he is hurt at not having been consulted.

And in fairness, he certainly took an active role in the meeting where the decision was made to fire Paterno.

I'm starting to believe that Governors are like football referees - the best ones are the ones you don't notice as they do their job.

 

[Rlaub44]

I was just reading about the sexual assaults at Oklahoma State University, and in many ways, the administration's response is very reminiscent of the Penn State handling of Sandusky. Many of the same elements are in place - failure to report under the Clery Act, not immediately contacting police, and trying to handle the situation "in-house".

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/12/27/3447771/emails-show-osu-officials-fretted.html#wgt=rcntnews

Obviously the age of the victims in OK makes a difference, but if there had been athletic department involvement, I think it would be interesting to see how the NCAA would respond, after the precedent they set for themselves in the PSU situation.

It is striking how little attention has been given to this case in comparison, lacking the involvement of a famous football coach.