Found Deceased ND - Andrew Sadek, 20, Wahpeton, 1 May 2014 *alledged undercover drug informant*

[IBsleuthin]

Here you go------

Hire an attorney=community service and probabtion

http://www.wday.com/content/msu-moo...eaving-concert-arrange-pot-deal-pleads-guilty

The only thing I can say here is if "Hire an attorney=community service and probabtion" then America has truly gone right in the toilet. Shame on the American Justice system for allowing this to happen.

Whatever happened to, if you are guilty then do your time. This whole premise is just a COMPLETE waste of everyone's time from the legislature right on down the line.

What is the POINT of making laws and sentencing guidelines if the who is out there breaking the laws can just hire an attorney and then walk away with basically nothing.

In my opinion this is why cops burn out. Can you imagine working all day long, really applying yourself at your job to be a good cop and then every time you bust some stupid idiot they can just plea the deal?

I just shake my head.

I can feel a rant coming on so I'm going to go now.

 

[CantNotCare]

I have zero bias. I have NO loved ones or friends in: LE, drug task forces, coroners, university positions, political offices, or homicide or suicide victim realm. I have a clean record, and have never been "arrested", oh well I did get a speeding ticket twice, and I had two minor vehicle accidents when I was very young (I won't discuss how long ago that's been). I do have emotional intelligence, as well as intellectual intelligence, and logical thinking ability and these have all served me well.

With that being said, when I read about Andrew Sadek's case, this is MY opinion:
Not for one minute do I believe.... that this young man with loving parents, great grades and very soon to graduate, having lost his only other sibling to a tragic death, having sold about $40 worth of marijuana (I'm told this equals about 5 "joints"), handsome appearance on his side......would decide to go to a river, fill his backpack with rocks and strap it to himself and shoot himself. I'm not buying that, sorry.

This is also MY opinion:
It seems to me that yes, he made a poor choice involving drugs, and in agreeing to work with SEMCA (possibly a life altering decision). He was a 20 year old young man. Now, SEMCA, LE, campus police, and coroners are professions, and they should be held to professional standards. They are paid to be professionals. When someone (anyone) is missing, and then found deceased, ALL stones need unturned to find answers. Incomplete answers/facts does NOT equal suicide. That is a “cop out”. Maybe thus the term?
This young man died under suspicious circumstances, and no evidence proves suicide or homicide yet from what I’ve read. To me that equals suspicious circumstances, thus cold case, until any or all facts are uncovered/found. Why then, has this mother had to “fight” for evidence and circumstantial probabilities? Why aren’t they assisting her in any way possible? Why is she being stonewalled with items and information which she is requesting to do her own investigation? She wants answers, and she deserves them. They have given her no concrete evidence of suicide. So WHY shouldn’t she STILL be working on this case? And…are they? And why not?

 

[Rocco]

I have zero bias. I have NO loved ones or friends in: LE, drug task forces, coroners, university positions, political offices, or homicide or suicide victim realm. I have a clean record, and have never been "arrested", oh well I did get a speeding ticket twice, and I had two minor vehicle accidents when I was very young (I won't discuss how long ago that's been). I do have emotional intelligence, as well as intellectual intelligence, and logical thinking ability and these have all served me well.

With that being said, when I read about Andrew Sadek's case, this is MY opinion:
Not for one minute do I believe.... that this young man with loving parents, great grades and very soon to graduate, having lost his only other sibling to a tragic death, having sold about $40 worth of marijuana (I'm told this equals about 5 "joints"), handsome appearance on his side......would decide to go to a river, fill his backpack with rocks and strap it to himself and shoot himself. I'm not buying that, sorry.

This is also MY opinion:
It seems to me that yes, he made a poor choice involving drugs, and in agreeing to work with SEMCA (possibly a life altering decision). He was a 20 year old young man. Now, SEMCA, LE, campus police, and coroners are professions, and they should be held to professional standards. They are paid to be professionals. When someone (anyone) is missing, and then found deceased, ALL stones need unturned to find answers. Incomplete answers/facts does NOT equal suicide. That is a “cop out”. Maybe thus the term?
This young man died under suspicious circumstances, and no evidence proves suicide or homicide yet from what I’ve read. To me that equals suspicious circumstances, thus cold case, until any or all facts are uncovered/found. Why then, has this mother had to “fight” for evidence and circumstantial probabilities? Why aren’t they assisting her in any way possible? Why is she being stonewalled with items and information which she is requesting to do her own investigation? She wants answers, and she deserves them. They have given her no concrete evidence of suicide. So WHY shouldn’t she STILL be working on this case? And…are they? And why not?

It appears that it's still an open investigation.

"Because the manner of death has been ruled as undetermined, the Sadek case will continue to be handled as an open investigation, and an ongoing search for the weapon continues."

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/26353874/andrew-sadek-autopsy-report-released

 

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

I wonder why they are keeping his laptop.
I wonder if they sent him a contract. I wonder if he was wired.
After reading this & getting an understanding how these "deals" work, I have even more concerns about Andrew's death.

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-po...drug-busts-some-university-wisconsin-campuses

 

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

The only thing I can say here is if "Hire an attorney=community service and probabtion" then America has truly gone right in the toilet. Shame on the American Justice system for allowing this to happen.

Whatever happened to, if you are guilty then do your time. This whole premise is just a COMPLETE waste of everyone's time from the legislature right on down the line.

What is the POINT of making laws and sentencing guidelines if the who is out there breaking the laws can just hire an attorney and then walk away with basically nothing.

In my opinion this is why cops burn out. Can you imagine working all day long, really applying yourself at your job to be a good cop and then every time you bust some stupid idiot they can just plea the deal?

I just shake my head.

I can feel a rant coming on so I'm going to go now.

I agree.

The worst thing about getting a felony are the consequences of being a FELON. Jail time is the least of the consequences & the most short-lived but probably the most appropriate for a college kid.

He will no longer be able to get financial aid for school, vote, he will have difficulty finding a job, having a driver's license or any professional license and his ability to get insurance of all kinds will be hindered. I would almost argue that JAIL TIME would be the most beneficial to him, IB. This will definitely change the course of his life though.

The fact that he plans to finish school tells me that his family must have money because he won't be able to get financial aid anymore. Therefore, they could afford a good attorney.

In addition & in response to Rocco's post... This is different than Andrew Sadek because this man only had one felony count against him; whereas SEMCA made sure they had at least two against Andrew. There IS a big difference between one felony versus two felonies.

Andrew would have done jail time, IMO.

 

[looks like rain]

A while back, my son was charged with the same thing as Andrew here in good old PA. He was sentenced to a mandatory two year sentence in jail. He had to serve all of that time. Yeah, just for selling about $100 worth of weed.

 

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

I wonder why they are keeping his laptop.
I wonder if they sent him a contract. I wonder if he was wired.
After reading this & getting an understanding how these "deals" work, I have even more concerns about Andrew's death.

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-po...drug-busts-some-university-wisconsin-campuses

The other thing in this article of interest was "wearing a watch with a camera on it.." According to his mom's last interview on News & Views, Andrew's bracelet which he ALWAYS wore was in his pants pocket.. Not on his wrist. Why? Why would he take it off & put it in his pants pocket? Could he gave been wearing a watch w/ a camera during the drug sale gone wrong?

If he committed suicide, odds are there would gave been some sort of drugs in his system. There were none. People who commit suicide usually are under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.

However... If you had an important drug deal/appointment with the big fish AND SEMCA agents, you would remain completely sober. Which he was.

 

[jggordo]

I believe the "big fish" culprits probably don't even live locally, maybe even from out of state. A lot of pot is coming from CO. It may have become "legalized" there but moreover it has created a "regional" distribution center for pot. They can make more from selling out the back door as well as the front door. The killing of Nathaniel Tallman just this year is a classic case of it. The drugs (pot) was intended and ended up north of CO along with his body. The pot was for North Dakota.

"Britton told police he then drove to North Dakota, to complete a previously arranged marijuana deal of less than 10 pounds. On the way, as he made his way north on Highway 85 nine miles north of Lusk, Wyo., Britton said he stopped, dragged the body under the guard rail and pushed it 30 to 40 feet down a steep hill."
There it would remain until March 13, when Tallman's remains were spotted by a Niobrara County (Wyo.) road grader starting his workday.


http://www.dailycamera.com/lafayett...se-affidavit-nathaniel-tallman-tied-pot-grows

Also, if you are going out late at night and into a "sketchy" situation one of the first things you do is lose the bling and put it away. Wearing your good jewelry out like that is asking to get robbed. Also maybe he was not using his real name as an informant. If it was an ID bracelet with his name on it, he wouldn't want that exposed.

JMO's
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?232820-CO-Nathaniel-Tallman-25-Lafayette-21-Jan-2014

 

[Rocco]

A while back, my son was charged with the same thing as Andrew here in good old PA. He was sentenced to a mandatory two year sentence in jail. He had to serve all of that time. Yeah, just for selling about $100 worth of weed.

Yes, some states have mandatory minimums that are extremely harsh. In Florida, I believe it's 25 years for selling prescription drugs and the amount doesn't matter.

 

[Rocco]

I believe the "big fish" culprits probably don't even live locally, maybe even from out of state. A lot of pot is coming from CO. It may have become "legalized" there but moreover it has created a "regional" distribution center for pot. They can make more from selling out the back door as well as the front door. The killing of Nathaniel Tallman just this year is a classic case of it. The drugs (pot) was intended and ended up north of CO along with his body. The pot was for North Dakota.

"Britton told police he then drove to North Dakota, to complete a previously arranged marijuana deal of less than 10 pounds. On the way, as he made his way north on Highway 85 nine miles north of Lusk, Wyo., Britton said he stopped, dragged the body under the guard rail and pushed it 30 to 40 feet down a steep hill."
There it would remain until March 13, when Tallman's remains were spotted by a Niobrara County (Wyo.) road grader starting his workday.


http://www.dailycamera.com/lafayett...se-affidavit-nathaniel-tallman-tied-pot-grows

Also, if you are going out late at night and into a "sketchy" situation one of the first things you do is lose the bling and put it away. Wearing your good jewelry out like that is asking to get robbed. Also maybe he was not using his real name as an informant. If it was an ID bracelet with his name on it, he wouldn't want that exposed.

JMO's
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?232820-CO-Nathaniel-Tallman-25-Lafayette-21-Jan-2014

The 'thanks' button wan't enough. Very informative and interesting links. Thanks for posting this.

 

[IBsleuthin]

A while back, my son was charged with the same thing as Andrew here in good old PA. He was sentenced to a mandatory two year sentence in jail. He had to serve all of that time. Yeah, just for selling about $100 worth of weed.

That's simply ridiculous. What did your son learn from this? NOTHING. But I'm betting the state of PA made a chunk of change for guest hosting him for two years.

 

[CantNotCare]

It appears that it's still an open investigation.

"Because the manner of death has been ruled as undetermined, the Sadek case will continue to be handled as an open investigation, and an ongoing search for the weapon continues."

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/26353874/andrew-sadek-autopsy-report-released

Yes, and...the mother's on-going search for the laptop which they've admitted having

 

[IBsleuthin]

Yes, and...the mother's on-going search for the laptop which they've admitted having

I wonder legally how she can get that back. She needs a very aggressive lawyer.

 

[CantNotCare]

I wonder legally how she can get that back. She needs a very aggressive lawyer.

But whats been done with it in the meantime?

 

[Rocco]

That's simply ridiculous. What did your son learn from this? NOTHING. But I'm betting the state of PA made a chunk of change for guest hosting him for two years.

What the heck are you talking about? Inmates are 'guest hosted' by the tax payers of the state. Inmates don't pay for their rooms. don't pay for their meals, don't pay for their medical expenses, don't pay for thier dental expenses and don't tip their servers 20% for their food when served. The tax payers of the state cover all of those costs. So how is it the state makes a chunk of change?

You've got some 'splainin to do, Lucy.

 

[Tricia]

Please stick to the topic when posting.

Thanks,
Tricia

 

[IBsleuthin]

Yes, some states have mandatory minimums that are extremely harsh. In Florida, I believe it's 25 years for selling prescription drugs and the amount doesn't matter.

Thank you for this post, I wasn't clear on some of these mandatory sentences. In the state I use to live in, selling prescription drugs was charged by the pill sold. Felony per pill I believe.

My next question is how can his family get that laptop back?

 

[Rocco]

Thank you for this post, I wasn't clear on some of these mandatory sentences. In the state I use to live in, selling prescription drugs was charged by the pill sold. Felony per pill I believe.

My next question is how can his family get that laptop back?

Let me be clear in that I think if the family wants his laptop back, they should get it back. They're entitled to it. However, I'm wondering since this is an open investigation, if LE is perhaps keeping it because it may contain information they can use if any charges are filed because they determine this was in fact a homicide (like the family believes) and not a suicide. Any thoughts on that?

 

[MINNESOTA-MOM]

Let me be clear in that I think if the family wants his laptop back, they should get it back. They're entitled to it. However, I'm wondering since this is an open investigation, if LE is perhaps keeping it because it may contain information they can use if any charges are filed because they determine this was in fact a homicide (like the family believes) and not a suicide. Any thoughts on that?

Yes it's possible.
But the family will be more aggressive in pursuing leads than the LE has been.

 

[Rocco]

Yes it's possible.
But the family will be more aggressive in pursuing leads than the LE has been.

I'm sure the family will be more aggressive in pursuing leads since they firmly believe it was a homicide. However, if they take possession of that lap top now, the chain of custody is gone. Anything found on it that could be used to incriminate someone would be much more difficult to introduce in court since the family had it. I'm sure any defense attorney would claim the family changed information on the computer or manipulated it in some way.