ND - Several bodies found at Mandan business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest* #2

[windrower]

The mandan Walmart sells rifles and shotguns no handguns. I'm from here.

Iirc, the receipt was from the Bismark Walmart.

Not that that changes anything, as still no word what was bought then.

 

[Seattle1]

Please correct me if wrong, but it was established that none of the victims were patients of CI.

My opinion is that this guy was mentally ill and untreated for years, and was an angry murderer. No excuse for murdering four innocent people. Just another nut-job who managed to lead a relatively normal life. A little weird. Not quite right. Who knows what sets these people off? That's what is scary. They live among us. In his head he had a motive. Perhaps the owner of RJR came by, told him "He had to fix up his property." Maybe they were going to raise the rent? Something with RJR set him off.

I think it's too early to know, and don't believe LE has confirmed if CI had any patient relationship with the victims.

I absolutely agree CI's motive existed only in his head. MOO

 

[JudgeJudi]

Maybe they weren't significant enough to mention - probably had gloves on, too.

Yes, he did have gloves.

Probable Cause Affidavit
38. While entering the home, a pair of black gloves were placed on a stand and appeared to be drying. These gloves were wet and had an odor of chlorine bleach coming from them.

 

[Inthedetails]

Please correct me if wrong, but it was established that none of the victims were patients of CI.

My opinion is that this guy was mentally ill and untreated for years, and was an angry murderer. No excuse for murdering four innocent people. Just another nut-job who managed to lead a relatively normal life. A little weird. Not quite right. Who knows what sets these people off? That's what is scary. They live among us. In his head he had a motive. Perhaps the owner of RJR came by, told him "He had to fix up his property." Maybe they were going to raise the rent? Something with RJR set him off.

Do you have link that none of the victims were his patients? It may certainly be true, but I don't recall see that info. Thanks.

jmo

 

[John d]

Im really glad i found this site a few days ago you guys are awesome. I talked to another lady in hazen today about ci and she said she was talking to the owner of the restraunt in washburn and the owners daughter recently got braces and they made some deal with the dentist free meals for part of the bill and somehow ci heard about it and asked the owner of the restraunt if shed like to trade meals for chiropractic service. Money must have been tight but i still dont think it was the motive. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

Im really glad i found this site a few days ago you guys are awesome. I talked to another lady in hazen today about ci and she said she was talking to the owner of the restraunt in washburn and the owners daughter recently got braces and they made some deal with the dentist free meals for part of the bill and somehow ci heard about it and asked the owner of the restraunt if shed like to trade meals for chiropractic service. Money must have been tight but i still dont think it was the motive. Imo

That’s quite interesting.

I definitely don’t think money was the motive (in relation to robbery), but this anecdote does wreak of financial desperation.

Someone doing well, wouldn’t think to do that, unless they are really cheap, of course.

I’m convinced that someone wronged him in his eyes, and this was about exacting revenge.

If he owed money to this company, or had a bad run in with someone there, then this grievance compounded by the stress of bad finances, could have pushed him over the edge.

 

[John d]

That’s quite interesting.

I definitely don’t think money was the motive (in relation to robbery), but this anecdote does wreak of financial desperation.

Someone doing well, wouldn’t think to do that, unless they are really cheap, of course.

I’m convinced that someone wronged him in his eyes, and this was about exacting revenge.

If he owed money to this company, or had a bad run in with someone there, then this grievance compounded by the stress of bad finances, could have pushed him over the edge.

I completely agree with you

 

[chi123]

Im really glad i found this site a few days ago you guys are awesome. I talked to another lady in hazen today about ci and she said she was talking to the owner of the restraunt in washburn and the owners daughter recently got braces and they made some deal with the dentist free meals for part of the bill and somehow ci heard about it and asked the owner of the restraunt if shed like to trade meals for chiropractic service. Money must have been tight but i still dont think it was the motive. Imo

Very interesting, love hearing local insight!

Completely agree with your last sentence because as far as we know there was no robbery, so if money was a motive in some form I’m not quite sure what the objective could have been. Any ideas?

I agree with Massguy above too, maybe he was going through financial difficulties and then some perceived slight just made him snap completely

This entire case is just astounding.

 

[Seattle1]

Im really glad i found this site a few days ago you guys are awesome. I talked to another lady in hazen today about ci and she said she was talking to the owner of the restraunt in washburn and the owners daughter recently got braces and they made some deal with the dentist free meals for part of the bill and somehow ci heard about it and asked the owner of the restraunt if shed like to trade meals for chiropractic service. Money must have been tight but i still dont think it was the motive. Imo

Thanks again for the local insight @John d.

I'm considering this a couple different ways:

I think it's quite possible that he may have lost some regular customers recently-- maybe because somebody at RJR had a bad experience, and spread the word. The sudden drop in business may have been something he wasn't financially prepared for. Sometimes a sudden drop is even more stressful because it requires a person to do some marketing, and be more personable, to attract new or replacement business.

I believe he'd definitely resent this if he's essentially been on "auto-pilot" -- getting by without much additional effort.

On the other hand, CI may have just felt slighted that a "dentist" was being offered this courtesy, so why should the "chiropractor" be left out.

He's obviously a disordered individual, and while a non- disordered person wouldn't think twice about this, somebody like CI could take this personal, and add it to his stock pile of grievances.

MOO

 

[human]

Im really glad i found this site a few days ago you guys are awesome. I talked to another lady in hazen today about ci and she said she was talking to the owner of the restraunt in washburn and the owners daughter recently got braces and they made some deal with the dentist free meals for part of the bill and somehow ci heard about it and asked the owner of the restraunt if shed like to trade meals for chiropractic service. Money must have been tight but i still dont think it was the motive. Imo

Professional people do this all of the time. Unreported income.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Speculation (aka grasping at straws):
Lois Cobb, RJR accounts specialist, rang him to advise that his rent was overdue and had to be paid by the end of the month. He was in dire straights financially and asked for an extension of time which was denied. Lois then told him he would be evicted, and by doing so became a target. In addition to being stabbed and shot, she was the only victim whose throat had been cut.

She and her husband were both in the offices so if he went to her aid, he became collateral damage. I can’t suggest any reason why Fakler and Fuehrer were killed because none of this makes any sense to me.

He spent time living with his parents in recent years. I would have thought he could have moved back with them for a while until he got back on his feet if money was the only issue.

Maybe he had a psychotic episode and anyone/anything that upset him could have pushed him over the edge. Loners with no partner, no friends and/or money problems are increasingly committing mass murders.

 

[Rocco]

Speculation (aka grasping at straws):
Lois Cobb, RJR accounts specialist, rang him to advise that his rent was overdue and had to be paid by the end of the month. He was in dire straights financially and asked for an extension of time which was denied. Lois then told him he would be evicted, and by doing so became a target. In addition to being stabbed and shot, she was the only victim whose throat had been cut.

She and her husband were both in the offices so if he went to her aid, he became collateral damage. I can’t suggest any reason why Fakler and Fuehrer were killed because none of this makes any sense to me.

He spent time living with his parents in recent years. I would have thought he could have moved back with them for a while until he got back on his feet if money was the only issue.

Maybe he had a psychotic episode and anyone/anything that upset him could have pushed him over the edge. Loners with no partner, no friends and/or money problems are increasingly committing mass murders.

But the owner of the trailer park has stated he was a good tenant who always paid his rent on time.

RJR began managing the mobile home park after Rolf Eggers bought the property last fall. Eggers, a Bismarck resident who spends his winters in Florida, said he never met Isaak and that Fakler never mentioned any issues with him.

The previous owner, Mike Nelson, described Isaak as "a model tenant."

"Paid his rent on time. Took care of his property," Nelson said.

 

[JudgeJudi]

But the owner of the trailer park has stated he was a good tenant who always paid his rent on time.

RJR began managing the mobile home park after Rolf Eggers bought the property last fall. Eggers, a Bismarck resident who spends his winters in Florida, said he never met Isaak and that Fakler never mentioned any issues with him.

The previous owner, Mike Nelson, described Isaak as "a model tenant."

"Paid his rent on time. Took care of his property," Nelson said.

Yes, I've read that before. You've obviously missed a post from the previous thread.

Replying to #1157 p.58 last thread:

"After I watched this video (very informative), if you click on "more" at the bottom, it states CI was being evicted (He was being evicted from an RJR managed trailer park in Washburn.). I don't recall reading/hearing that anywhere else?"

Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

I went to the YouTube video and clicked on "more" and there is no mention of eviction there now. There is a comment asking for the source but there hasn't been a reply.

As iNewZ TV is local, video news from North Dakota, perhaps LE asked them to remove the eviction comment as a totally deranged person might consider it a motive for murder. To date LE have given no motive, and they might want this kept under wraps for the time being.

This is the eviction that was being referred to.

 

[Seattle1]

Reportedly, CI moved his own mobile home to the Washburn, ND home park, currently managed by RJR, in 2015.

The prior park owner reported that CI was a good tenant - paying his MH lot rent timely beginning 2015-2018, when ownership changed hands. The current park owner stated CI was an existing tenant, and came with his purchase of the park about August 2018.

Internet search of the CI's Washburn, ND mobile home park indicates average mobile home lot rent at $225/month.

In comparison, RJR website lists a 2 br mobile home available in the Washburn park with two choices: a 5 year Contract Deed at $890/mo plus heat and lights; or for rent at 850/mo.

Assuming CI owns his mobile home, CI's residential overhead at about $225/mo for lot rent is way below average, IMO.

I also believe CI has a large family presence in ND, certainly available to provide financial assistance if necessary. MOO

https://www.rjrrentals.com/968-2/?address=312 Northview Estates #10, Washburn, North Dakota 58577

Northview Estates RV & Mobile Home Park - Mobile Home Parks for Sale in Washburn, ND

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, I've read that before. You've obviously missed a post from the previous thread.
This is the eviction that was being referred to.

"Eviction" was only posted in the video title -- and has since been removed. Also, there was no mention of "eviction" in the actual video/audio report, and to my knowledge, no other network or newspaper has ever reported anything about CI being under eviction. Actually, I think this was nothing more than clickbait. MOO

 

[JudgeJudi]

"Eviction" was only posted in the video title -- and has since been removed. Also, there was no mention of "eviction" in the actual video/audio report, and to my knowledge, no other network or newspaper has ever reported anything about CI being under eviction. Actually, I think this was nothing more than clickbait. MOO

I read that eviction was referred to under "More" to which I replied, "I went to the YouTube video and clicked on "more" and there is no mention of eviction there now. There is a comment asking for the source but there hasn't been a reply".

I agree with your comment re clickbait.

 

[JudgeJudi]

CI made a mistake using chlorine bleach in order to remove bloodstains. Chlorine bleaches can remove a bloodstain to the naked eye but substances such as luminol or phenolphthalein can show that haemoglobin is present. In fact, even if a bloodstained item of clothing was washed 10 times, these chemicals could still reveal blood.

With oxygen bleach, the bleach has an oxidising agent, which could be a substance such as hydrogen peroxide. In these instances, haemoglobin is completely removed and can't be detected later. As expected, this presents a unique challenge for forensic scientists. Not only that, but it can significantly compromise an investigation and may mean that evidence is not properly investigated and used in a trial.

When LE entered CI’s home they noted a consistent smell of chlorine bleach in various areas of the home. Dark clothing found in the washer and a pair of black gloves found drying on a stand all had an odor of chlorine bleach. In all probability, luminol would show that haemoglobin was still present.

Detecting Evidence After Bleaching

 

[Rocco]

Reportedly, CI moved his own mobile home to the Washburn, ND home park, currently managed by RJR, in 2015.

The prior park owner reported that CI was a good tenant - paying his MH lot rent timely beginning 2015-2018, when ownership changed hands. The current park owner stated CI was an existing tenant, and came with his purchase of the park about August 2018.

Internet search of the CI's Washburn, ND mobile home park indicates average mobile home lot rent at $225/month.

In comparison, RJR website lists a 2 br mobile home available in the Washburn park with two choices: a 5 year Contract Deed at $890/mo plus heat and lights; or for rent at 850/mo.

Assuming CI owns his mobile home, CI's residential overhead at about $225/mo for lot rent is way below average, IMO.

I also believe CI has a large family presence in ND, certainly available to provide financial assistance if necessary. MOO

https://www.rjrrentals.com/968-2/?address=312 Northview Estates #10, Washburn, North Dakota 58577

Northview Estates RV & Mobile Home Park - Mobile Home Parks for Sale in Washburn, ND

Thanks for finding and posting all of that information. Very useful to have factual information when trying to sort all of this out.

 

[Seattle1]

In viewing RJR's sites including their fb, instagram, and website, I noticed that they also feature a weekly live video report called "the Buzz" which showcases local businesses, house tips, and interviews of residents, etc. Everything from home loans to opticians. I did not see CI and his professional services ever featured.

Of interest, I did note that on Feb 6, "the Buzz" featured an 11 minute interview with a professional Massage Therapist -- which has been viewed more than 4K times! I didn't catch it all but I believe she mentioned something to the effect of massage being complimentary to chiropractic care. MOO

Hmmm... more fuel to the fire?

 

[sleuthin4fun]

Im really glad i found this site a few days ago you guys are awesome. I talked to another lady in hazen today about ci and she said she was talking to the owner of the restraunt in washburn and the owners daughter recently got braces and they made some deal with the dentist free meals for part of the bill and somehow ci heard about it and asked the owner of the restraunt if shed like to trade meals for chiropractic service. Money must have been tight but i still dont think it was the motive. Imo

I don't think this is all that uncommon in the professional world. Off my head I can think of about a dozen people my husband does taxes for and we have traded services with. My husband is a CPA (not his primary business) we have at least a dozen people who he has done taxes for over the years, he doesn't charge any of them. We have received large baskets of produce from farmers, professional painting, auto detailing, electrical work, handyman services and dinners out just to name a few. I may even lean towards money not being the motive. If money was that tight, wouldn't you want whatever payments you could get just for everyday living expenses? Just talking out loud here. My mind doesn't think the same as someone like CI so... I haven't really got a clue. ;P