Found Deceased NE - Tyler Goodrich, 35, left his house to go on a run, Lincoln, 3 Nov 2023

[RandyMcDonald]

The alternative is that we are going to assume the husband was making things up or dramatizing things, and chose to escalate things to the point of making a call to 911 for ... Reasons?

I did read the transcript. Where, exactly, does it say that a friend witnessed an altercation? Are you talking about the recording Vogel made of their conversation?

And yes, I did find the quote. Honestly, the father taking an assurance from a friend of his son that nothing had happened seems less than credible proof that nothing had happened.

 

[HuskerGal]

LSO had an update today. LSO Facebook page

 

[Gemmie]

LSO had an update today. LSO Facebook page

Per the link in your post.

They have recovered clothing, wallet, cell phone, a key, and a watch near the area where Tyler was found. They have confirmed they belong to Tyler.

 

[Betty P]

LSO had an update today. LSO Facebook page

Thanks for the link. The sheriff states they found Tyler's clothing, wallet, key and cell phone near the area where his body was found. That's nice they are doing a good job of keeping the public updated. JMO, They've been very sympathetic and professional through all this.

 

[jillolantern]

This article states that it was not necessary to look up, but also the body was in a tree. Sounds like maybe he just hung himself on a low branch, which would make sense as he just seemed to run off in a panic without a plan.

BBM

"Investigators believe Goodrich's body had been there the entire time.

Houchin said that the area was searched early on by volunteers.

'You could have just looked down because there was a branch and not seen where he was at,' Houchin said.

Goodrich's father said his son's body was apparently in the tree.

'He was 6-foot-2. That have been like walking by this pillar and that pot sitting there, you would have seen him. You didn't have to look up. You'd have walked right across the body,' Goodrich said."

Questions remain for family of Tyler Goodrich after body identified

By Andrew Ozaki

www.weny.com

 

[Tower]

I've always been of the opinion that I shouldn't judge without hearing both sides of the story. Perhaps that's my training. When people are no longer living to tell their side of the story, I believe its always unfair to judge them without evidence. Taking one's own life is not an admission of guilt. It's often a spontaneous act to end an emotionally painful situation.

No one is accusing the husband of anything. We're just refraining, in the absence of evidence, to judge someone who is no longer here to defend themselves. It's a moral and ethical choice that I always make in these situations, particularly where suicide is concerned.

Many people in our society still don't have a healthy grasp of suicide, what causes it and why its important not to judge those who resort to it. It's a bias that harms not just the deceased person, but everyone who loved them. Something to think about. JMO

I agree suicide is certainly not an admission of guilt, and we will never know the truth of exactly what happened in their relationship. I have read your posts and I know you are very sympathetic to the family, as am I. This is a terrible outcome for so many people, especially Tyler’s sons.

But Marshall was absolutely under suspicion for causing Tyler’s death in many media and online posts (posted extensively upthread) before Tyler was found. The family may still believe it was his fault. The decision was Tyler’s and Tyler’s alone, so the scrutiny on Marshall is unfair. Tyler made his own choices in this situation. Rest in peace, Tyler, and I will always be thinking of those boys.

 

[Betty P]

I agree suicide is certainly not an admission of guilt, and we will never know the truth of exactly what happened in their relationship. I have read your posts and I know you are very sympathetic to the family, as am I. This is a terrible outcome for so many people, especially Tyler’s sons.

But Marshall was absolutely under suspicion for causing Tyler’s death in many media and online posts (posted extensively upthread) before Tyler was found. The family may still believe it was his fault. The decision was Tyler’s and Tyler’s alone, so the scrutiny on Marshall is unfair. Tyler made his own choices in this situation. Rest in peace, Tyler, and I will always be thinking of those boys.

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my posts. I've never felt that Marshall physically harmed Tyler. I've felt that its possible that Tyler found himself in a relationship that was growing increasingly toxic and unfortunately couldn't find a healthy way to deal with it besides self-harm. My feeling is that its possible there was no actual DV at the time of his death (per police reports, witnesses of prior events) but that he (mistakenly) felt the accusation to LE was going to ruin his life and career.

Overall, I think both of these men experienced tremendous pressure in their relationship when they made the generous decision to adopt these young men. Parenting teens is a daunting task for every parent. I can't imagine trying to do it with no previous parenting experience. It's not unusual to have disagreements with partners about how to raise them. It's certainly NOT the fault of the boys, but somewhere along the line, its possible Marshall and Tyler weren't experiencing the expert 24/7 support and counseling they needed to parent teens. JMO, that's the root of the problem.

 

[SMK777]

I've never felt that Marshall physically harmed Tyler. I've felt that its possible that Tyler found himself in a relationship that was growing increasingly toxic and unfortunately couldn't find a healthy way to deal with it besides self-harm. My feeling is that its possible there was no actual DV at the time of his death (per police reports, witnesses of prior events) but that he (mistakenly) felt the accusation to LE was going to ruin his life and career.

BBM
This is exactly what I perceived. It does to a degree make me view Tyler as a victim that night, because IMO a push when someone has just received horrible news (divorce) doesn't warrant a 911 call. My opinion only.

 

[darring21]

BBM
This is exactly what I perceived. It does to a degree make me view Tyler as a victim that night, because IMO a push when someone has just received horrible news (divorce) doesn't warrant a 911 call. My opinion only.

I disagree. If this was a woman who was telling her husband (who has a history of DV) that she wanted a divorce and he pushed her, would you still say a push doesn't warrant a 911 call? Ending a relationship can be a dangerous time, for men or women.

 

[Ssschu]

I disagree. If this was a woman who was telling her husband (who has a history of DV) that she wanted a divorce and he pushed her, would you still say a push doesn't warrant a 911 call? Ending a relationship can be a dangerous time, for men or women.

THIS!!!

 

[SMK777]

I disagree. If this was a woman who was telling her husband (who has a history of DV) that she wanted a divorce and he pushed her, would you still say a push doesn't warrant a 911 call? Ending a relationship can be a dangerous time, for men or women.

I guess because it's 2 men it does seem different (maybe wrongly). If it was a hard push, I suppose it would warrant it. I was under the impression that DV had not occurred in this relationship, but in a past one when Tyler had drinking issues which he had subsequently addressed.

 

[Betty P]

I disagree. If this was a woman who was telling her husband (who has a history of DV) that she wanted a divorce and he pushed her, would you still say a push doesn't warrant a 911 call? Ending a relationship can be a dangerous time, for men or women.

There's no evidence that Tyler pushed anyone that night. LE investigated and couldn't find any evidence of abuse or a struggle, etc. The recording his partner made of their discussion was listened to by LE and they said it sounded like a normal conversation, no yelling or violence.

Having a difficult discussion, harsh words exchanged, etc. can sometimes make one feel like they've been abused, perhaps? We don't know and I don't like to speculate. I'm only going by what LE reported.

I'm not passing judgment either way. Since Tyler is deceased, it's possible we'll never know.

JMO

 

[NH2338]

There's no evidence that Tyler pushed anyone that night. LE investigated and couldn't find any evidence of abuse or a struggle, etc. The recording his partner made of their discussion was listened to by LE and they said it sounded like a normal conversation, no yelling or violence.

Having a difficult discussion, harsh words exchanged, etc. can sometimes make one feel like they've been abused, perhaps? We don't know and I don't like to speculate. I'm only going by what LE reported.

I'm not passing judgment either way. Since Tyler is deceased, it's possible we'll never know.

The night I asked my ex-husband for a divorce, no one witnessed him pushing me down on the couch and not letting me get up. But it happened and the police believed me, probably because I am a woman. I believe in Marshall’s account and I believe that he did experience abuse. JMO

 

[RandyMcDonald]

There's no evidence that Tyler pushed anyone that night. LE investigated and couldn't find any evidence of abuse or a struggle, etc.

Question: what sort of forensic evidence would there be if someone being pushed?

The recording his partner made of their discussion was listened to by LE and they said it sounded like a normal conversation, no yelling or violence.

That was not why Vogel recorded the conversation.

Josh Mankiewicz: “Why did you record that conversation?”

Marshall Vogel: “Because things were tense in our house and we would get into arguments where then the next day, or, you know, the next week I would be told, ‘I never said that. I didn’t do that.’ I kind of recorded it for my own sanity, so I could listen back and say, ‘No, you did. And I’m not crazy right now.’”

 

[Betty P]

Tyler Goodrich's cellphone, wallet and key found near where body was discovered

Chief Deputy Ben Houchin said the sheriff's office is continuing to follow leads.

www.klkntv.com

“Investigators have recovered clothing, a cellphone, wallet, key and a watch, near the area where Tyler was found,” Chief Deputy Ben Houchin said.

Houchin confirmed that all those things belonged to Goodrich.

Private investigator Erik Rezabek told Channel 8 that the items were behind an outbuilding near Highway 77 and West Pioneers Boulevard.

He said they were 40 to 50 yards from where Goodrich’s body was.

Does that seem a little unusual? Maybe not. Tyler's belongings were found behind an outbuilding about 40 to 50 yards from where his body was found.

 

[jillolantern]

If this was a woman who was telling her husband (who has a history of DV) that she wanted a divorce and he pushed her, would you still say a push doesn't warrant a 911 call?

Not op, but ... Yes

 

[Kermitskorner]

I saw an autopsy was conducted on Monday so I hope we get some news on the findings.

 

[Betty P]

BBM
This is exactly what I perceived. It does to a degree make me view Tyler as a victim that night, because IMO a push when someone has just received horrible news (divorce) doesn't warrant a 911 call. My opinion only.

Tyler had already talked of the divorce to his friends. He was already making plans to find a new place, but was sad about the effect on his adopted sons.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Cascadia Mount]

I guess because it's 2 men it does seem different (maybe wrongly). If it was a hard push, I suppose it would warrant it. I was under the impression that DV had not occurred in this relationship, but in a past one when Tyler had drinking issues which he had subsequently addressed.

Domestic violence takes place in same sex relationships. It is psychological as well as physical. Women that might be physically stronger are still abused--same with men.