Nedra & Patsy's sisters

[lovebites]

It takes some kind of person to throw your child away outside. Incredible. If I had done this to my child, I would be so overcome with remorse that I would not be trying to get away, I do not think I would care what happened to me. These two are a different breed. You can glean some insight into John's warped personality with that perennial smile of his, it is constant.

Personally the guy (JR) has always given me the creeps, perhaps that perennial and so often inappropriate smiling of his you mentioned, is a part of that. All I know is that there is something about him....something in his demeanor that has always raised my hackles. That being said, I've always wondered why, for those who believe the RDI, people find it more plausible that Patsy did it than John?

 

[DeeDee249]

Possibly. JR is kinda smarmy, in a snake-oil salesman kind of way. PR is annoying, but neither has a lot of appeal to me. Both seem like they would be real PITAs to know.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Personally the guy (JR) has always given me the creeps, perhaps that perennial and so often inappropriate smiling of his you mentioned, is a part of that. All I know is that there is something about him....something in his demeanor that has always raised my hackles. That being said, I've always wondered why, for those who believe the RDI, people find it more plausible that Patsy did it than John?

From my impression, JR had little to do with JonBenet's life, other than occasionally be there when he wasn't off on business. Patsy ran the show at home with the kids, right down to deciding which pageant JB would be in and which outfit she and JB were going to dress alike in when she wasn't in a pageant (except for the Marilyn Monroe mother-daughter dress-alike one). It wasn't JR taking JB to the doctor 33 times in 3 years, it was Patsy. It wasn't JR helping at JB's school, arranging for JB to spend her entire day singing for the different grades until she was exhausted, it was Patsy. Patsy controlled JonBenet's life, and imo, JR was just a frequent visitor.

Then when you examine the fiber evidence in the crime scene and on the body, Patsy's fibers were found in the paint tray, on the tape, and tied into the ligature knot. JR's fibers were found in her underwear and on her pubic area. Based on that fiber evidence, Patsy is the one who constructed the ligature and tied it tight, killing JonBenet.

 

[Solace]

From my impression, JR had little to do with JonBenet's life, other than occasionally be there when he wasn't off on business. Patsy ran the show at home with the kids, right down to deciding which pageant JB would be in and which outfit she and JB were going to dress alike in when she wasn't in a pageant (except for the Marilyn Monroe mother-daughter dress-alike one). It wasn't JR taking JB to the doctor 33 times in 3 years, it was Patsy. It wasn't JR helping at JB's school, arranging for JB to spend her entire day singing for the different grades until she was exhausted, it was Patsy. Patsy controlled JonBenet's life, and imo, JR was just a frequent visitor.

Then when you examine the fiber evidence in the crime scene and on the body, Patsy's fibers were found in the paint tray, on the tape, and tied into the ligature knot. JR's fibers were found in her underwear and on her pubic area. Based on that fiber evidence, Patsy is the one who constructed the ligature and tied it tight, killing JonBenet.

Or she is the one who got the materials and gave them to John and then she wrote the note.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Or she is the one who got the materials and gave them to John and then she wrote the note.

That's possible, too.

 

[Solace]

That's possible, too.

Either way they are both involved up to their ears.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Either way they are both involved up to their ears.

Exactly. They both know what happened, and both of them have been lying and trying to cover it up all of these years.

 

[Ames]

Or she is the one who got the materials and gave them to John and then she wrote the note.

Yeah, I just couldn't imagine Patsy, in her frantic mind, being able to take the steps to make a garrotte. I am sure that she was a nervous wreck, and wasn't thinking straight. I agree with Solace on this one, I believe that she got the materials for John, and then she went upstairs and wrote the note, and left him to it. I seriously don't believe that she would have been ABLE to take part in that part of the staging....as a mother. I don't believe that she could have done that, since the head wound...imo...was caused by rage, and wasn't intentional or premeditated.

 

[Ames]

Either way they are both involved up to their ears.

They sure are....how they both slept at night...I have NO CLUE.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

They sure are....how they both slept at night...I have NO CLUE.

Simple. Dr Beuf kept them stoned.

 

[Ames]

Simple. Dr Beuf kept them stoned.

LOL...yes, now THAT would do it.

 

[Toltec]

Yeah, I just couldn't imagine Patsy, in her frantic mind, being able to take the steps to make a garrotte. I am sure that she was a nervous wreck, and wasn't thinking straight. I agree with Solace on this one, I believe that she got the materials for John, and then she went upstairs and wrote the note, and left him to it. I seriously don't believe that she would have been ABLE to take part in that part of the staging....as a mother. I don't believe that she could have done that, since the head wound...imo...was caused by rage, and wasn't intentional or premeditated.

I couldn't have put it better myself Ames.

When the Ramseys were at the Fernies, John said he could not bring himself to talk with Patsy...

They stayed together because they were both complicit in this crime.

 

[JMO8778]

Yeah, I just couldn't imagine Patsy, in her frantic mind, being able to take the steps to make a garrotte. I am sure that she was a nervous wreck, and wasn't thinking straight. I agree with Solace on this one, I believe that she got the materials for John, and then she went upstairs and wrote the note, and left him to it. I seriously don't believe that she would have been ABLE to take part in that part of the staging....as a mother. I don't believe that she could have done that, since the head wound...imo...was caused by rage, and wasn't intentional or premeditated.

me too,only I think PR was busy writing her version of the RN while JR did the staging(or maybe they'd already written both versions and PR was writing the final note),and then,(like she said they did w the liturgy),they merged the two RN versions into one.
I say this bc it was PR who mentioned LHP first,and JR who mentioned J. Merrick and friends first.I think that was the plan all along when they decided to write the note,and so each wrote a version and merged it into one ,so that it could point to both.

* think about the RN wording,it seems written to sound mean and threatening(such as the beheading comments,likely JR's verision),yet overall it came out way too soft,as in the ' you will need to be rested', and the 'be sure to bring an adequate attach case' comments.that's why I think they both had a hand in writing it.

 

[Ames]

I couldn't have put it better myself Ames.

When the Ramseys were at the Fernies, John said he could not bring himself to talk with Patsy...

They stayed together because they were both complicit in this crime.[/quote]

Agreed...thats the only reason that they stayed together. Every story that I have ever heard or read, where there had been a murdered child...the parents end up divorcing....because of the stress of it all. But, of course, the people in the stories or articles that I read, were not under an "umbrella of suspicion" for the murder of their own daughter, either. The fact that they actually did stay together.....goes against the norm.

 

[Ames]

me too,only I think PR was busy writing her version of the RN while JR did the staging(or maybe they'd already written both versions and PR was writing the final note),and then,(like she said they did w the liturgy),they merged the two RN versions into one.
I say this bc it was PR who mentioned LHP first,and JR who mentioned J. Merrick and friends first.I think that was the plan all along when they decided to write the note,and so each wrote a version and merged it into one ,so that it could point to both.

* think about the RN wording,it seems written to sound mean and threatening(such as the beheading comments,likely JR's verision),yet overall it came out way too soft,as in the ' you will need to be rested', and the 'be sure to bring an adequate attach case' comments.that's why I think they both had a hand in writing it.

OH yeah, John definately put his two cents into that ransom note....you are probably right about him writing his version...and then giving it to Patsy...and then she merged hers with his. I believe that she put the combined versions together, while John was staging the crime scene, because not only do I believe that Patsy wouldn't have been able to go through with it, but they were working on a limited amount of time.

 

[JMO8778]

I couldn't have put it better myself Ames.

When the Ramseys were at the Fernies, John said he could not bring himself to talk with Patsy...

They stayed together because they were both complicit in this crime.[/quote]

Agreed...thats the only reason that they stayed together. Every story that I have ever heard or read, where there had been a murdered child...the parents end up divorcing....because of the stress of it all. But, of course, the people in the stories or articles that I read, were not under an "unbrella of suspicion" for the murder of their own daughter, either. The fact that they actually did stay together.....goes against the norm.

I've been thru far less worse w a spouse,(nothing criminal, just morally wrong),and I can't believe they ever lived happily together after that. NO way.

 

[Ames]

I've been thru far less worse w a spouse,(nothing criminal, just morally wrong),and I can't believe they ever lived happily together after that. NO way.

Nope, they had to stick together, to keep their stories straight. And Patsy knew about John's roving eye...so she probably said..."Listen bud....you leave me, and I will spill the beans"...and he said, "Well, if you do, I will spill the beans on you too". They both had evidence against the other. Patsy caused the headwound....John did he staging...they are both in it, up to their eyeballs. They had to stay together out of the fear of going to jail together. I am sure that jail doesn't do much for your married life....

 

[DeeDee249]

Nope, they had to stick together, to keep their stories straight. And Patsy knew about John's roving eye...so she probably said..."Listen bud....you leave me, and I will spill the beans"...and he said, "Well, if you do, I will spill the beans on you too". They both had evidence against the other. Patsy caused the headwound....John did he staging...they are both in it, up to their eyeballs. They had to stay together out of the fear of going to jail together. I am sure that jail doesn't do much for your married life....

That makes the most sense. They held that night over each other's heads for 10 years. I don't mean to sound cruel, but could it also be that JR stayed in the marriage because he thought, with PR's cancer and all, that he wouldn't have to do it for long?

 

[BBB167893]

Simpler than that: he just couldn't face himself.

 

[DeeDee249]

JR will fly under the radar, live his life and keep his secrets. BR too.
What took me by surprise was that ill-fated run for public office. PR's "Jacquie Kennedy" dreams coming true. They actually felt no one would see them as still under that "umbrella of suspicion" - by the way, is JR still under it?
They truly must have believed that people would see them the way they portrayed themselves- as the wrongfully suspected parents of a murdered child- as victims themselves.