Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #4

[Tawny]

What I'm saying is that if I were LE...I'd be checking to see if someone tampered with the Gregory Allen evidence....

How would his uncle have acquired Allen's pubic hair to plant it in the evidence?

 

[Amber29]

I believe the lack of evidence in the trailer and garage support that this is not how it happened JMO That's when and why they went after BD IMO

But if we look at the date on the DNA reports done, a lot of that evidence didn't even come back until after BD was interviewed. The report dated at the end of March contains most of the results for samples from the garage and the inside of the trailer. So when they "went after" BD they didnt have the DNA results report from that evidence yet. Not to mention an even later dated report May I believe deals with evidence they collected after answers from BD. Such as the quarry evidence and the hood latch DNA. That was not swabbed until BD confirmed SA opened the hood.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Is there proof of this?

I thought it was hearsay.

I believe I read that the mother filed a police report because she was uncomfortable when the two were together, then he supposedly raped the teen and they didn't proceed with charges because he had been arrested with TH's murder. I also believe I read that the teen kept a journal and it was all documented in the journal.

I don't know if the teen ever had a rape kit done. My guess is no. But, with that said, they could have brought charges (albeit a he said/she said) with the mother's police report and he could have done time for that--so why frame him for TH when they already had a case to potentially put him back in jail.

 

[missy1974]

But if we look at the date on the DNA reports done, a lot of that evidence didn't even come back until after BD was interviewed. The report dated at the end of March contains most of the results for samples from the garage and the inside of the trailer. So when they "went after" BD they didnt have the DNA results report from that evidence yet. Not to mention an even later dated report May I believe deals with evidence they collected after answers from BD. Such as the quarry evidence and the hood latch DNA. That was not swabbed until BD confirmed SA opened the hood.

They used BD's "confession" to get another search warrant, IIRC. The evidence they had to that point did not support their theory. And IMO LE helped narrate those confessions. So yes, some of those reports did not come back until after, they didn't have them in there custody. I am not sure we have seen all the reports.
Also, the lab tech that took that swab said in his testimony that he did not change his gloves, which can lead to cross contamination IMO

 

[Sustained]

I believe I read that the mother filed a police report because she was uncomfortable when the two were together, then he supposedly raped the teen and they didn't proceed with charges because he had been arrested with TH's murder. I also believe I read that the teen kept a journal and it was all documented in the journal.

I don't know if the teen ever had a rape kit done. My guess is no. But, with that said, they could have brought charges (albeit a he said/she said) with the mother's police report and he could have done time for that--so why frame him for TH when they already had a case to potentially put him back in jail.

Well, apparently the girl was a relative of SA and the "rape" happened after SA filed his 36 million $ lawsuit against the county.

Calumet County had investigated the relationship between Avery and the girl and found no wrongdoing.

 

[missy1974]

Well, apparently the girl was a relative of SA and the "rape" happened after SA filed his 36 million $ lawsuit against the county.

Calumet County had investigated the relationship between Avery and the girl and found no wrongdoing.

uh huh... this is what I have read too LOL and the mother doesn't like SA, she married into the family. At one time it was being discussed on the family fb page, but I'm not sure I could even find it at this point.

 

[Amber29]

They used BD's "confession" to get another search warrant, IIRC. The evidence they had to that point did not support their theory. And IMO LE helped narrate those confessions. So yes, some of those reports did not come back until after, they didn't have them in there custody. I am not sure we have seen all the reports.
Also, the lab tech that took that swab said in his testimony that he did not change his gloves, which can lead to cross contamination IMO

Do you happen to know the name of the lab tech, I would love to read the complete testimony. IMO contamination can not just be claimed because he didn't change gloves, there has to be a source of the DNA contamination.

 

[missy1974]

Do you happen to know the name of the lab tech, I would love to read the complete testimony. IMO contamination can not just be claimed because he didn't change gloves, there has to be a source of the DNA contamination.

Let me see if I can find it.. give me a few minutes ;-) He was inside the RAV4 or SA's car and then did the swab.

 

[missy1974]

Great article!

http://www.progressive.org/news/2016/01/188524/avery-case-defense-lawyer-dean-strang-speaks-out

Q: What is the best consequence of this publicity?

Strang: Good quality speaking opportunities, not in the media but to bar groups or university groups or business groups or government groups. Most of them just say, “We’d like you to give a keynote address and talk about what you want to talk about.” That’s really both flattering and wonderful because I’ve been a lawyer for more than thirty years and there are things I’d like to say about what’s wrong in our courts and the weaknesses of the system. So for those thirty years, understandably no one has been much interested in hearing what I have to say. Now people are willing to listen, so I think I have a duty to take up as many of these speaking offers as I can.

Q: What is the best consequence of this publicity?

Strang: Good quality speaking opportunities, not in the media but to bar groups or university groups or business groups or government groups. Most of them just say, “We’d like you to give a keynote address and talk about what you want to talk about.” That’s really both flattering and wonderful because I’ve been a lawyer for more than thirty years and there are things I’d like to say about what’s wrong in our courts and the weaknesses of the system. So for those thirty years, understandably no one has been much interested in hearing what I have to say. Now people are willing to listen, so I think I have a duty to take up as many of these speaking offers as I can.

 

[Safeguard]

USA Today; "Making A Murderer Case Tainted By Investigators, Experts Say"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e-tainted-investigators-experts-say/79352892/

 

[Jaiddie]

[video=youtube;Ql_EAI2JbUI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_EAI2JbUI[/video]

This is a series of videos by someone who is breaking down the various aspects of both these cases ( including human behavior, past offenses, the evidence, and much more). It is long, but it is a very interesting listen as he uses much common sense, and many anecdotal stories along the way to get his point across. Definitely worth a listen for both believers of SA guilt and/or innocence.

***there are a total of 7 videos in total on youtube

 

[pleasestandby]

Can anyone date this aerial view photo of salvage yard with SUV not on ridge (area circled in red)?

 

[Sustained]

Can anyone date this aerial view photo of salvage yard with SUV not on ridge (area circled in red)?

Where did the pic come from and I wonder if there any other aerial shots taken from helicopters from 10/31 to 11/5 ?

 

[andreww]

Four Toronto cops were arrested for framing a suspected drug dealer today. Cops say they pulled over the suspect when he ran a red light, then notice what appeared to be heroin on the console of his car. This gave them the right to search the vehicle where they found several grams of packaged heroin hidden behind the steering wheel. At the trial the judge ruled that the defendant didn't run a red light and that the cops had sprinkled the heroin on his console in order to gain access. Four cops, all willing to participate in a framing and all four willing to lie about it under oath. Sure the guy ended up being a drug dealer, but cops have to play by the rules. All charges against the drug dealer and his accomplice have been dismissed.

Although I feel Avery is guilty, I believe the cops did do some of the same sorts of things and his conviction should be overturned.


http://www.cp24.com/news/four-toronto-cops-accused-of-planting-drugs-on-suspect-1.2755532

 

[Amber29]

Can anyone date this aerial view photo of salvage yard with SUV not on ridge (area circled in red)?

There really is no telling, I mean that could be a google earth image from anytime.

 

[Madeleine74]

The person who took that photo would/should have the exif data that shows the date and time the picture was taken. All digital cameras have this capability and it's usually captured automatically.

 

[TheDuchess]

Four Toronto cops were arrested for framing a suspected drug dealer today. Cops say they pulled over the suspect when he ran a red light, then notice what appeared to be heroin on the console of his car. This gave them the right to search the vehicle where they found several grams of packaged heroin hidden behind the steering wheel. At the trial the judge ruled that the defendant didn't run a red light and that the cops had sprinkled the heroin on his console in order to gain access. Four cops, all willing to participate in a framing and all four willing to lie about it under oath. Sure the guy ended up being a drug dealer, but cops have to play by the rules. All charges against the drug dealer and his accomplice have been dismissed.

Although I feel Avery is guilty, I believe the cops did do some of the same sorts of things and his conviction should be overturned.


http://www.cp24.com/news/four-toronto-cops-accused-of-planting-drugs-on-suspect-1.2755532

I know it is unrelated but this is an excellent example of why the rules of evidence and due process are so important. Not only are they to protect our rights as citizens, they are also to protect society from people like this. So now, because of 4 idiot cops wanting to break the law, managed to get a drug dealer back out onto the street.

ETA - And there are always some who will claim that my viewpoint sympathizes with the drug dealers, when that couldn't be farther from the truth. The minute we as a society begin to allow these types of things the more vulnerable we become and less free we become as a society. If you allow vigilante justice, it could more easily happen to an innocent person, even you or your family! And if our justice system continues to skirt the laws, more guilty people will get off on a "technicality." We are not capable of administering "justice" when we throw away the rule of law.

 

[Madeleine74]

Think those 4 cops just got hands slapped and a "don't do that again!" lecture? I suspect they were punished and relieved of their jobs.

 

[Sinsaint]

I know it is unrelated but this is an excellent example of why the rules of evidence and due process are so important. Not only are they to protect our rights as citizens, they are also to protect society from people like this. So now, because of 4 idiot cops wanting to break the law, managed to get a drug dealer back out onto the street.

ETA - And there are always some who will claim that my viewpoint sympathizes with the drug dealers, when that couldn't be farther from the truth. The minute we as a society begin to allow these types of things the more vulnerable we become and less free we become as a society. If you allow vigilante justice, it could more easily happen to an innocent person, even you or your family! And if our justice system continues to skirt the laws, more guilty people will get off on a "technicality." We are not capable of administering "justice" when we throw away the rule of law.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/crime/fl-anthony-caravella-dna-7-million-20150122-story.html

Another interesting article. It applies to interrogation tactics employed by two cops against a mentally challenged child as well as how jury verdicts can impact individual defendants in cases of where a wrongfully convicted person sues.

 

[ElleElle]

I know it is unrelated but this is an excellent example of why the rules of evidence and due process are so important. Not only are they to protect our rights as citizens, they are also to protect society from people like this. So now, because of 4 idiot cops wanting to break the law, managed to get a drug dealer back out onto the street.

ETA - And there are always some who will claim that my viewpoint sympathizes with the drug dealers, when that couldn't be farther from the truth. The minute we as a society begin to allow these types of things the more vulnerable we become and less free we become as a society. If you allow vigilante justice, it could more easily happen to an innocent person, even you or your family! And if our justice system continues to skirt the laws, more guilty people will get off on a "technicality." We are not capable of administering "justice" when we throw away the rule of law.

:cheers:

I'm quite sure these drug dealers had good lawyers. If they ran a red light, it would be captured on red light cam?

Ok, back on topic!