Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #4

Status
Not open for further replies.
There is a half brother..... Brad, Mystic. they all share the same father.
Correct. still doesn't give BD 5 brothers. hahaha still only makes 4 brothers. and since Brad wasn't mentioned still only 3. Reminds me of the Cop who couldn't count the shell casing. 10 or 11? lol
 
someone in the last day or so posed a question about how would an unrelated killer be lucky enough to know that SA was her last stop.....

I wonder if TH kept a log book or her appointments, mileage, etc. in her vehicle. This was her own business and I believe contracted work to AutoTrader, would she want to keep track of that stuff for Income Tax purposes? (I'm Canadian... I'm not sure about rules down there or what would be considered normal practice for someone that owns their own business)
 
I don't think anyone in LE framed SA, and certainly not for the heinous thing he did to his pet cat.

However, as an animal lover who makes zero apologies for it, hearing about what he did to the cat (and I don't care what age he was) made me want him and anyone involved to spend decades in prison. That's right. I hold the welfare of animals in great esteem and anyone who tortures and kills an animal has my immediate red hot fury. Babies and animals, nothing else causes me that level of fury than hurting either.

It's just something that is a non-negotiable with me.

Life in prison without parole?!? He served time in prison for he cat. I think 7 months! I've seen people serve less time when they kill a human! Certainly we can't make the punishment for killing a cat the same or more than a human! I am also a big cat person myself.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
For me, it is terrifying that you can be wrongly convicted of a crime and spend 18 years in jail for that. SA was far from an angel. He grew up poor in small town Wisconsin (which I have spent a lot of my time) and his behaviors are more common than some might want to think. Obviously they are not the norm but animals are not looked at the same way some of us do. I go as far as thinking leaving your dog outside should be a punishable crime. I think eating meat from factory farms where animals are tortured and abused before they are killed makes those eating the meat part sociopath for not caring but should I be allowed to use that to convict somebody of a brutal murder? What SA did to that cat is HORRIBLE and I own 3 rescue dogs myself so I am in no way excusing that behavior. You know that saying "I don't care who dies as long as the dog lives"? Yea, that's me. Seriously. Humans can defend but animals are at our mercy. SA and I could never be friends but it was 21 years before this. In the USA you're allowed to be an 🤬🤬*****, unfortunately. You can be a jerk and nobody can like you. Having a criminal record from 20 years ago does not mean the system can railroad you or do an extremely poor investigation because you "probably" did it. We need to make sure cases are being handled correctly, proficiently and honorably. How many people are wrongly convincted because of assumptions and alleged behaviors? That's emotional stuff, too. ("But he sounds so mean and I don't like that so he must be guilty!") And worse than that, how many criminals are set free because of technicalities that could have easily been avoided if people did their job properly? That is scary to me.

Other women were sexually assaulted because the police thought Avery was a bad guy and did a half-🤬🤬*ed investigation letting the actual rapist run free. People aren't supposed to want to go through everything with a fine-toothed comb after the same officers had a hand in convicting Avery a second time?

If those that don't seem to even want anybody to have a conversation about this messed up case were in Avery's shoes, or anybody else YOU loved were in such a predicament, wouldn't you be want a thorough investigation? If there was even a slight chance that the police that wrongfully accused you before may have helped find evidence the second time around, wouldn't that naturally lead you to think that other evidence found might be contaminated as well or that evidence to convinct somebody else might be overlooked or that things simply weren't done appropriately? Wouldn't you ask for a second investigation of EVERYTHING?

If Avery came from a family with money this may never had happened to begin with.. but our system is corrupt and flawed. It happens every day in Chicago. Cops plant drugs and weapons on people all the time. People plead guilty to misdemeanor crimes they aren't guilty of so they do less time because they are: afraid, poor, uneducated.. Pick one or all three, it doesn't matter because it happens all the time.

Do people still believe there is no corruption within the walls of the justice system on a large scale? I have even been a part of it on a very small scale. A cop in a suburb of Chicago just committed suicide and his whole department led a wild goose chase for criminals they knew didn't exist to help cover up corruption throughout the entire department. They wasted thousands upon thousands upon thousands of taxpayers' money trying to help the reputation of a cop who had been stealing from tax payers for years and years and years. He set up his suicide to look like murder and the department helped him. If they're doing it every day for simple things, why wouldn't they do it for something as big as the Avery case? There were reputations and millions of dollars at stake. Crazier things have happened for way, way less. Brandon alone is a case for a huge injustice happening while everybody is watching and yet nobody does anything. What happened to him should make us all ashamed.

This case is so layered. Even if you think Avery did it you have to be appalled at how they got their conviction. I want my justice system to be fair and work efficiently because that is supposed to be one of the things that sets us apart.. we are civilized and fair. I would be scared every day that if somebody accused me of a crime I wouldn't be able to afford to prove my innocence and that is so sad to me. And I also didn't spend 18 years for a crime I didn't commit. I wonder what kind of person I would be if I had.

And lastly, for Theresa, the way this case was handled was mostly an injustice to her. Whoever killed her should have been convicted and put in jail forever the right way -- especially if Avery did kill her -- so her family wouldn't have to go through the pain I can only image they are experiencing right now. It breaks my heart for Theresa and those that love her. My frustration with this case comes mainly from a place in my chest that hurts for TH and all of the other victims of our justice system. Other races in this country have been screaming about this for years and this documentary series finally portrayed the flaws in our justice system in a way that should be obvious to everybody.

This isn't about how you personally feel about Avery. This case is about our flawed justice system and the lives that are ruined because of it.


BRAVO! How do I nominate this for post of the day? Mods?
 
I thought it highly suspicious that the roomie didn't report to anyone that TH hadn't been home for 3 days, which was unlike her. Odd to say the least...
 
SA claims she was there at that time, Bobby Dassey claims he saw her on the property before and after taking his shower and getting ready to leave, phone call logs show SA calling TH before, and TH told Auto Trader she was "on her way" to the Avery appointment.

I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but the phone logs themselves help highlight TH's movement that day.

Those same phone logs show a big gap of where she was for roughly two hours.
 
You can be outraged all you want. that case was tried and he did his time. This is about who murdered TH and if it was possible that LE setup and framed Avery for it after the fact. I am not sure who killed TH. Not even sure if the police really planted the evidence. However I do know that the presence of Man. Co. Sheriffs Dept. they created a very big APPEARANCE that evidence could have been planted. Something they told the public they wanted to avoid. That says right there that if anyone is proven to be liars in this case it was the Sheriff's Dept. Any and all evidence that pertained to this case that was collected even in the presence of a Sheriff or member of that LE community should be thrown out and the case should be retried with the evidence that was collected by the Calumet Co. alone. And what was that exactly, The faulty phone bill given to officers by her concerned friends and family. SAD! This case is just sad. Teresa deserved a thorough, non biased investigation of what happened to her. However the ego of the Manitowoc Sheriff Department did not allow that for this young woman who lost her life. If there is anyone to blame in the outcome now of the Netflix series being released, it is the LE agencies that handle this case, and did not follow ANY protocol so they could convict the one and only man they wanted to be guilty. Poor Brendan was supposed to be USED as a witness and all his coerced confessions pushed him further into the fire pit.

Speaking of BD.. I was listening to that first interview that was recorded back in 11/2005. here is example of how he will just say yes to anything they ask him. About 33mins and 30 seconds in the conversation starts with someone opening the car door and hearing the dinging....

Det 1. Who's Blaine?
Det 2. Blaines the brother
BD brother
Det1. Blaine or bryan
BD blain
Det1 Which one is he
Det2. The brother he walked... ?in on?
BD Yeah
Det 1. You got Bobby
BD brian and blaine
Det 1. Bryan Blaine and you so there is FIVE BROTHERS all together?
BD YEAH

There is only 3 brothers and from what I understand a step brother. that's still only 4 brothers, but they dont even mention that one. So Himself, Bryan, Bobby and Blaine still only makes 4. Even the cops up there can't count.

Not to split hairs but I heard there is a brother Brad. Brendan, Blaine, Bryan, Bobby and Brad would make five brothers.
 
Personally I think the mishandling of the scene has more to do with the crime rate in that area and less to do with LE involvement. I just don't think they have enough experience with murder scenes. Its easy to say now what should've, could've, would've been done, but Hindsight is always 20/20. It's just very hard for me to believe in a full blown LE cover up conspiracy. It would involve way too many and the more involved, the more likely in 10years someone would've slipped. It's the same with people discussing the lack of THs DNA on her key. DNA is not just everywhere and it's hard to find, we don't just shed DNA on everything we touch. DNA is great when found on evidence but unfortunately it's not easy to find, hence how many crimes go unsolved.

As I've stated before, a "conspiracy" only requires 1-2 individuals who plant evidence, and then dozens who either don't care to fact check or don't want to cause any ripples if they have a "bad feeling". Who in the departments gave enough of a flip about Steven Avery to say "this doesn't feel right"? Why wouldn't they just believe and trust in Lenk/Colborn that the things they found were legit?

It doesn't take hundreds of people to plant evidence, it just takes people who have no reason to question the evidence when it's "found".
 
It's sad (in a way) that investigating a crime needs to be documented so incredibly minutely at every single point, including photos taken every minute, video, witnesses, for every single activity, person, and piece of evidence because otherwise people will believe some kind of conspiracy happened. It's almost like people need proof there was a crime committed and if they don't see if for themselves, then it really didn't happen. This goes beyond burden of proof and into something else entirely. I suppose live streaming from hundreds of vid cameras on every person who comes in contact with a potential crime scene will be next. Hundreds of people will be needed to monitor -- one for each person.
 
It's sad (in a way) that investigating a crime needs to be documented so incredibly minutely at every single point, including photos taken every minute, video, witnesses, for every single activity, person, and piece of evidence because otherwise people will believe some kind of conspiracy happened. It's almost like people need proof there was a crime committed and if they don't see if for themselves, then it really didn't happen. This goes beyond burden of proof and into something else entirely. I suppose live streaming from hundreds of vid cameras on every person who comes in contact with a potential crime scene will be next. Hundreds of people will be needed to monitor -- one for each person.

It's sad that has to happen because LE can't be trusted every time. It's astonishing to me that we would blame "skeptics" for the need to catalog every detail, but no blame is placed on the shady officers and investigators who have abused their power in the past that led to this necessity.
 
It's sad that has to happen because LE can't be trusted every time. It's astonishing to me that we would blame "skeptics" for the need to catalog every detail, but no blame is placed on the shady officers and investigators who have abused their power in the past that led to this necessity.

For some it's not about trust per se, it's they can only believe something their own eyes can see. Hearing about it is no good. Reading about it is no good. They need visual proof at every point or else what they are imagining takes on reality. I blame any bad officer for actual bad acts, but I don't believe they're all bad, all out to put everyone in prison, all out there framing people. I know a few people who do think that way, who haven't had anything bad happen to them, haven't had any trouble from LE, but they are convinced the government is out to get them, the police are out to get them (and everyone). It's paranoia at that point. And they grab onto any potential conspiracy as proof.
 
For some it's not about trust per se, it's they can only believe something their own eyes can see. Hearing about it is no good. Reading about it is no good. They need visual proof at every point or else what they are imagining takes on reality. I blame any bad officer for actual bad acts, but I don't believe they're all bad, all out to put everyone in prison, all out there framing people. I know a few people who do think that way, who haven't had anything bad happen to them, haven't had any trouble from LE, but they are convinced the government is out to get them, the police are out to get them (and everyone). It's paranoia at that point. And they grab onto any potential conspiracy as proof.


No one said all cops are bad but why wouldn't SA think the cops were out to get him ? Colborn fielded a call pointing guilt for the PB rape at a totally different suspect and did nothing about it causing Avery to spend a lot of extra time in prison. How do think Avery feels about the lack of due diligence in his prior case ?
 
No one said all cops are bad but why wouldn't SA think the cops were out to get him ? Colborn fielded a call pointing guilt for the PB rape at a totally different suspect and did nothing about it causing Avery to spend a lot of extra time in prison. How do think Avery feels about the lack of due diligence in his prior case ?

Doesn't matter. He's "creepy" and lives in a junkyard and nobody likes him.
 
It's sad (in a way) that investigating a crime needs to be documented so incredibly minutely at every single point, including photos taken every minute, video, witnesses, for every single activity, person, and piece of evidence because otherwise people will believe some kind of conspiracy happened. It's almost like people need proof there was a crime committed and if they don't see if for themselves, then it really didn't happen. This goes beyond burden of proof and into something else entirely. I suppose live streaming from hundreds of vid cameras on every person who comes in contact with a potential crime scene will be next. Hundreds of people will be needed to monitor -- one for each person.

I completely agree and crime stats from that area prove that local LE there isn't real experienced in murder scenes and this is not CSI Las Vegas. It's very unfortunate that enough pictures weren't taken and what not but now we have to rely on what is available and witness testimony.
 
If LE was really intent on getting Avery, they could have easily gotten him on the felony weapon charge some time before as he was not allowed to have a weapon and he did. But until TH went missing and her movements that day brought her to the Avery Salvage Yard (and no further than that) police weren't bothering SA. And until they found evidence to suggest a crime might have taken place on that property, they weren't searching Avery's place at all. They searched all buildings on that property, according to the reports, not just SA's trailer. But who was TH with that day at the Salvage Yard after she arrived?
 
I think in any other case.... the proof... the questions... may not need to be asked because there is an inherent trust in LE, we think and really should assume the majority of LE would not plant evidence, or not have tunnel vision, or not target someone. This is NOT a normal case. You cannot separate the fact that he was accused and convicted of a rape that he did not do, and Manitowoc LE was responsible for that. You cannot separate the fact that he was suing the County for millions. And unfortunately because of the decision to allow Manitowoc County LE to be a part of this investigation even AFTER saying they would not be because there would be a conflict of interest. They have brought this on themselves. They could have avoided this situation by backing off.

You know what I find is sad? It took a 10 part documentary series on Netflix to bring light to this whole situation, and I mean BD and SA. It has brought out the conversation about how unjust the justice system can be.

For those of us.... who I am now labelling us "The Doubters".... we ask the questions, we want the answers, BD and SA's family have been asking these questions for 10 years, we have just begun. If I was TH's family..... I would want the answers too, but that's just me *shrug*
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
171
Guests online
502
Total visitors
673

Forum statistics

Threads
625,786
Messages
18,509,977
Members
240,846
Latest member
riversmama23
Back
Top