Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #4

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Oh...makes perfect sense...if SA and EA saw the lights on the 3rd and RH and Scott went to the property to search for her car and they found and reported it to LE, then Colburn confirms by calling in the plates(because they told him they think they found her car on the property)--but he can't tell anyone they were on the property for fear of the evidence not being admissible.

True, but they could of left the property, get a warrant and come back.

My question is how on mother earth would they have found a half-assed buried SUV at night on a 40 acre salvage lot?
 
True, but they could of left the property, get a warrant and come back.

My question is how on mother earth would they have found a half-assed buried SUV at night on a 40 acre salvage lot?

Walking the property with flashlights---skip any light colored car. Look at the rear entrance to the place..right turn on first road and keep driving....you would find it.

I'm guessing they pulled it up on Google maps before they went there..
 
Walking the property with flashlights---skip any light colored car. Look at the rear entrance to the place..right turn on first road and keep driving....you would find it.

I'm guessing they pulled it up on Google maps before they went there..

So, randomly start searching the back of this?

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If it was me and it was my family member--you bet your sweet donuts I would!

If it was me, I would stashed in somewhere in the middle, but from I understand vehicles were placed on the yard by make/model.

Also, if the RAV4 was in fact planted, getting too deep in would cause alarms for everyone living on the property.

JMO
 
I think it is also possible that they could of observed what SA was doing that night and communicated that to LE. I think LE couldn't step foot on the property without probable cause and a search warrant in hand.
 
If it was me and it was my family member--you bet your sweet donuts I would!

No one doubts that. Anyone would search that if finding a loved one is at stake. The issue is how easily she found the vehicle in that giant junk heap. We aren't buying the "God sent me there" line.
 
If it was me, I would stashed in somewhere in the middle, but from I understand vehicles were placed on the yard by make/model.

Also, if the RAV4 was in fact planted, getting too deep in would cause alarms for everyone living on the property.

JMO


I'm with you. That junkyard was Avery's haystack. He could have hidden that needle anywhere. But, it gets double parked on an outermost ridge near a back entrance? Pfft... More like the best place to stash it if someone is going to yell Ollie-Ollie-Oxen-Free at the last minute.

Just as a casual observer the location is very odd for a guy who can hide her vehicle anywhere. It's more like someone said "Hey, I need to get this vehicle in there. I can't leave it right at the back road because it might be too obvious I was afraid to take it in further but I'm too afraid to actually take it in further so I'll just leave it here on this ridge. It's far enough away from the gate it won't look like I just planted it here. And it's far enough away I shouldn't be spotted."
 
No one doubts that. Anyone would search that if finding a loved one is at stake. The issue is how easily she found the vehicle in that giant junk heap. We aren't buying the "God sent me there" line.

I'm not buying that either...If you read my post earlier, I proposed a theory about RH and Scott finding the vehicle the night SA and EA saw lights--while they were trespassing--and reported it to Colburn--that's why Colburn called in her plates. LE couldn't go on the property without probable cause--so RH and Scott pointed her where they wanted her to go. Just MHO
 
I'm with you. That junkyard was Avery's haystack. He could have hidden that needle anywhere. But, it gets double parked on an outermost ridge near a back entrance? Pfft... More like the best place to stash it if someone is going to yell Ollie-Ollie-Oxen-Free at the last minute.

Just as a casual observer the location is very odd for a guy who can hide her vehicle anywhere. It's more like someone said "Hey, I need to get this vehicle in there. I can't leave it right at the back road because it might be too obvious I was afraid to take it in further but I'm too afraid to actually take it in further so I'll just leave it here on this ridge. It's far enough away from the gate it won't look like I just planted it here. And it's far enough away I shouldn't be spotted."

Yes, but if your intention is to crush it--you want to put it close to the crusher...and you certainly don't want your family to hear you crushing a vehicle in the middle of the night, do you? Don't you think they would suspect something was up?

Also--you would think that your family members would NOT allow LE to come searching your property...I suspect there are some stolen vehicles (someone brought there) not saying the Avery family but cars used in other crimes the criminals want to dispose of---which Avery's may suspect the person dropping off the car was doing--and you don't want a stolen vehicle showing up on your property--especially when you are the Avery's.

Remember SA didn't allow the search...EA did. LE didn't have probable cause to get a search warrant to search Avery property--all they had was a missing person.
 
I don't think we know if the wood, branches or car hood was tested. I asked that same question awhile ago.

IIRC the Rambler hood that was leaning against the RAV4 and a piece of cardboard were taken in for testing, I am sure the testing was done... maybe fingerprints, blood, but I have not seen anything yet, or it's lost in those DNA reports LOL The branches, etc. were examined on site for fibres, visible blood, did not see any, didn't take anything like that in.
 
No, I guess I was really asking if someone knew what day it was that SA and EA saw the lights??

I think it is feasible if they entered thru that back entrance, so that they wouldn't be detected by the family.

SA seen tail lights by his trailer on the evening of Nov 3rd, him and Charles were going to Menards. Charles seen the headlights in behind his place on the 4th, he was leaving the property to go to the cabin, he called SA on his cell... SA went in his truck to look, didn't see anything.

If these 2 "stories" are true, and IIRC they were in news reports early on with SA and CA, it's very fishy. On the other hand.... if they are both lying, then it means that they both were involved IMO. SA lying about it is one thing, but CA to also lie... and then the RAV4 being found in that same area is fishy. And I wonder where the plates were found in relation to where he seen those headlights? I might have to go look
 
True, but they could of left the property, get a warrant and come back.

My question is how on mother earth would they have found a half-assed buried SUV at night on a 40 acre salvage lot?

God guided them.

hehe oh cmonnnn you walked right into that one!

I wonder what the salvage yard looks like at night... any lighting out there at all.
 
If it was me and it was my family member--you bet your sweet donuts I would!

Right! I would have been there the day she was reported missing... asked for permission! I would NOT have waited until hours into a search on the Saturday when Pam came along with the great idea!

No way do I believe that her family/friends didn't discuss that salvage yard, Steven Avery, his past... and are we seriously to believe that LE didn't talk about it? No way. It's human nature. They don't discuss him at all, nope, but then we have LE calls saying "is he in custody yet", no one has to say "who?" LOL I mean, really, lets not sugar coat it. If I thought my daughter was last seen there, damn right I would be asking to search.
 
I'm with you. That junkyard was Avery's haystack. He could have hidden that needle anywhere. But, it gets double parked on an outermost ridge near a back entrance? Pfft... More like the best place to stash it if someone is going to yell Ollie-Ollie-Oxen-Free at the last minute.

Just as a casual observer the location is very odd for a guy who can hide her vehicle anywhere. It's more like someone said "Hey, I need to get this vehicle in there. I can't leave it right at the back road because it might be too obvious I was afraid to take it in further but I'm too afraid to actually take it in further so I'll just leave it here on this ridge. It's far enough away from the gate it won't look like I just planted it here. And it's far enough away I shouldn't be spotted."

I think someone said this the other day too, maybe you? It's like a little kid hiding behind a curtain and thinking you can't find them!

What makes me the most suspicious about the RAV4 is... they were open for business tues/wed/thur/fri, no one noticed it? I think it was reported that Charles was down that way crushing cars, or someone was.... they didn't notice it either? I really do think that the way it was covered would make it stand out more. And this salvage yard was their whole life... they knew what to find where, it would definitely be out of place. So even if SA did this... he took a chance that CA/EA/AA or anyone found it.
 
Remember SA didn't allow the search...EA did. LE didn't have probable cause to get a search warrant to search Avery property--all they had was a missing person.

To be fair... SA had left to go to the family cabin, he was not there to give consent. He did give consent the day before for an officer to look around, I know the trailer was walked through, I don't know if any other buildings or the rest of the property was looked at.
 
Gathered and put together based on all the sleuthing on here...and testimony...conclusions are my opinion only

1:52pm Unknown Call *Exhibit 381~no confirmation on who this is

2:12pm She calls GZ *Exhibit 362 and 381*At this time she tells them she is lost and can't find it

2:13pm picks up her own voicemails *Exhibit 362 and 381Most likely the unknown caller has left her another voicemail

2:24pm Steven avery calls her *67 *Exhibit 362, 360 and 381Only 8 seconds

2:27pm Auto Trader calls Teresa and she supposedly said she was on her way to the Avery Brothers.**Exhibit 362 and 381

2:30pm BoD testifies to seeing Teresa Pull up take the pictures and walk back towards SA's for payment. I believe his time was just an estimation, but it goes with what she told Auto trader.

2:45pm Bod Testifies to leaving at this time and still seeing TH's Rav outside, but not her. Could she have been in the vehicle, and he just didn't see her?

2:41pm Unknown call and CFNA is used. Last known time she acutally uses her own phone itself.*TH herself sets it to call forwarding. If she does this at 2:41 then we know she has not been attacked by Avery, and Bobby Dassey just didn't see her in her vehicle (my opinion).CFNA is turned on possible because she was fed up with the unknown caller.The above matches what Steven Avery stated of TH being at his home during the 2:30ish window...his statement matches what Autotrader says Teresa told them...and BD matches too

3:00pm JoZ testifies that TH came around this time on Oct 31, 2005, She is reminded she doesn't really know, she didn't wear a watch and that eventually becomes 2-2:30pm by the time they are done. 10-15mins.

It wasn't 2:30 because TH told Auto Trader she was on her way to the Avery's not the Zipperers. It would make sense it was 3:00 if she was done at the Avery's about 2:45ish. Approx 10 min drive....

3:30-3:40pm Bus Driver LB testifies to seeing a woman taking pictures of a van that day.This witness actually couldn't confirm the date and this was after it had hit the news. My other question is did the Zipperers grandson Jason ride the same bus as the Dassey boys?? Is it possible she saw TH at the Zipperers at this time?? Or this is fabricated.... Witness testimony is not always reliable. It doesn't fit into what 4 other people stated prior to her statement. Mrs. Zipperers said about 3 during trial, but then went back to 2:30ish (sketchy)

3:30-4:00pm A truck driver reports seeing a car like TH's leave the yard within this time.*Is this even reliable?? Doesn't fit anyone else's timeline....questionable witness...his timing could be off and it was actually the 2:30 ish time like everyone else's. 2:30-3:00 most likely.....

4:35pm Steve calls Teresa w/no feature and her bill reflects 13 seconds his 00 seconds.**Exhibit 362, 360 and 381Avery called her but her phone was set to CFNA at 2:41. He wouldn't have known she had did this. This could have simply been a business related question that he wanted to ask her. Blocking vs. No blocking number is not major to me.

4:45pm Cingular Wireless testifies her phone is powered down at this time.*According to the above in my opinion TH was last at the Zipperers not the Avery's. If she was at the Zipperers I believe she would have told Autotrader this information. It was approx. 5 minutes of conversation!

Mr. Zipperer lied about contacting Autotrader that day... He was belligerent with police...law E.stated that he threatened to shoot TH if she came back....and told theM TH was a trespasser..... Why wasn't their property fully searched like the Avery's??

Possibly killed at the Zipperers.... Vehicle and burned body found by quarry by Colborn....Planting of evidence begins
 
I'm not buying that either...If you read my post earlier, I proposed a theory about RH and Scott finding the vehicle the night SA and EA saw lights--while they were trespassing--and reported it to Colburn--that's why Colburn called in her plates. LE couldn't go on the property without probable cause--so RH and Scott pointed her where they wanted her to go. Just MHO

Why would they call Colborn though? She wasn't even reported missing to the Manitowac guys. I mean it was communicated to Manitowoc on the 3rd but they weren't dealing with THs family or friends. So is it being assumed that they were already in contact with Colborn some secretive way at this point?
 
Why would they call Colborn though? She wasn't even reported missing to the Manitowac guys. I mean it was communicated to Manitowoc on the 3rd but they weren't dealing with THs family or friends. So is it being assumed that they were already in contact with Colborn some secretive way at this point?

Should be easy to check ... let's pull RH's phone records from 10/30 - 11/9 or so. Hope Zellner can hold of them, but I fear they may have already best lost forever.
 
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