Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #4

[angelainwi]

i saw someones blog that wrote RH and said something like you can fool us any longer. And RH replied. Something about dont believe everything you see on tv or something to that effect. Dont think I can post the link But you may be able to search it.

He wasn't just an ex that she had no dealings with anymore, she saw him the day before she disappeared. I've suspected him from the beginning. We'll be hearing more about him. I believe he is KZ's focus.

 

[amberjb4]

Which of her testimony should I believe. the first testimony she said went against the state and KK didnt like that. She said that TH arrived around 3pm. Then State who needed her to say earlier to fit their time line got her to say it was around 2-2:30. I still think that AS testimony about GZ being a telemarketer lead that was set up in the afternoon of Oct 31 2005. I think she got faxes on her PDA. She was faxed that information to TH, TH called GZ's at 2:12pm to tell them when she would be available, After the AVERY's. Since she set up Avery's appointment for a little after two, she was already on her way to the Averys. As she told DP who called from Auto T at 2:27. My thought is she called to see if she got the fax about GZ. In which TH told her yeah Ill go there after the Avery Brothers which I'm on my way there now. JMO I honestly think that her last appointment that day was GZ's residence as JZ said she was there around 3 o'clock. Why did they not take pictures of their caller ID or even get the So called message about her being lost to the police. I am starting to believe that the call about being lost just did not happen. JMO

Wow I didnt know that she had an appointment with someone after SA. This forum was the first Ive heard of it. I cant believe that wasnt looked into more.

 

[MysticJynx]

Wow I didnt know that she had an appointment with someone after SA. This forum was the first Ive heard of it. I cant believe that wasnt looked into more.

Im not sure who was her last appointment drive time and what I see its possible GZ was the last stop not the second as the state claimed

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

He admitted he saw her. He called her twice using *67 to block his number.. Once he is dead, He called her WITHOUT using *67 so that people would see he called her and because it did not matter if she saw his number she was dead and her cell phone was destroyed in the barrel outside his house.

He killed her. There is no doubt in my mind. The whole in the blood vial was put there by a nurse when she put the blood in the tube during the donation. It was not put there after. The biggest key is there is still blood in the tube. No one stole the tube.. Which would have been easiest to explain because evidence goes missing.

The sweat and dna on the hood latch is SA. No one elses.. SA.

He killed her. And he set up his alibi that very first day in the interview " I hope they don't try to frame me or plant evidence"

I think that what happened to him the first time was horrible. But I think that he knew that if he ever got caught again he could cry wolf and get away with it.
He killed her. There is nothing else that makes any sense. Not with the mountain of evidence against him.

 

[Madeleine74]

So RH is the suspect but so is GZ too? Did RH and GZ know each other?

 

[Sustained]

He admitted he saw her. He called her twice using *67 to block his number.. Once he is dead, He called her WITHOUT using *67 so that people would see he called her and because it did not matter if she saw his number she was dead and her cell phone was destroyed in the barrel outside his house.

He killed her. There is no doubt in my mind. The whole in the blood vial was put there by a nurse when she put the blood in the tube during the donation. It was not put there after. The biggest key is there is still blood in the tube. No one stole the tube.. Which would have been easiest to explain because evidence goes missing.

The sweat and dna on the hood latch is SA. No one elses.. SA.

He killed her. And he set up his alibi that very first day in the interview " I hope they don't try to frame me or plant evidence"

I think that what happened to him the first time was horrible. But I think that he knew that if he ever got caught again he could cry wolf and get away with it.
He killed her. There is nothing else that makes any sense. Not with the mountain of evidence against him.

Do you have a theory as to why SA's DNA was not found in obvious locations like the door handles, back hatch, steering wheel, etc. Raising the hood on a RAV4 involves several steps and then the hood would've been propped up while SA took off the battery cables.

This link is from a 2007, but the idea is the same on a '99. And the gent in the video is wearing gloves ...

http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/2007_Toyota_RAV4_2.4L_4_Cyl./hood/open_the_hood

 

[missy1974]

This investigation was so poorly done IMO, it has left it wide open to other possibilities. I waiver every day on who I think could have done it if it wasn't SA. I have read a poopload of documents and I still haven't read everything!!!! I think it's the lack of documentation for people like RH and GZ that make us question them. Sure glad I have a place like websleuths to bounce ideas around with other posters!

In my head... here are possibilities

GZ, JZ (although I hear he might have been in jail lol), RH, BoD, ST, CA, EA. Or really anyone that was on that property around that time. Which could include a customer.

 

[missy1974]

Do you have a theory as to why SA's DNA was not found in obvious locations like the door handles, back hatch, steering wheel, etc. Raising the hood on a RAV4 involves several steps and then the hood would've been propped up while SA took off the battery cables.

This link is from a 2007, but the idea is the same on a '99. And the gent in the video is wearing gloves ...

http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/2007_Toyota_RAV4_2.4L_4_Cyl./hood/open_the_hood

hmmm wonder if that little bar thingy was ever swabbed.... I know the answer will probably be no LOL but why not? Why specifically the latch? I guess this is why KZ went and bought her own RAV4 to understand it better ;-)

 

[missy1974]

my post about possibilities just made me think.....

did they ever ask or check to see if there were customers around at the time TH was there? Even if it was for the time she was there.

 

[TheDuchess]

my post about possibilities just made me think.....

did they ever ask or check to see if there were customers around at the time TH was there? Even if it was for the time she was there.

I am glad you mention this because I have been stating this for quite a while. To me it is strange that SA would choose to murder someone in such a public place. Sure, he lives there, but it is also a fairly public place where people are coming in and out at any moment. Kids are coming home from school. If it was premeditated as LE is stating due to the *67 calls, how was he so sure that no one would see him doing this?

 

[missy1974]

I am glad you mention this because I have been stating this for quite a while. To me it is strange that SA would choose to murder someone in such a public place. Sure, he lives there, but it is also a fairly public place where people are coming in and out at any moment. Kids are coming home from school. If it was premeditated as LE is stating due to the *67 calls, how was he so sure that no one would see him doing this?

And then burn her on a fire while people are coming and going all evening/night.

Which btw, I don't even believe there was a fire that night after reading/hearing all the first interviews. LOL

 

[Sustained]

I am glad you mention this because I have been stating this for quite a while. To me it is strange that SA would choose to murder someone in such a public place. Sure, he lives there, but it is also a fairly public place where people are coming in and out at any moment. Kids are coming home from school. If it was premeditated as LE is stating due to the *67 calls, how was he so sure that no one would see him doing this?

Bingo ... and I'm sure SA didn't know everyone's schedule and if customers might be coming in and out of the salvage yard between 2:30 and 5.
Strange case ...

 

[pittie_mcclure]

I am glad you mention this because I have been stating this for quite a while. To me it is strange that SA would choose to murder someone in such a public place. Sure, he lives there, but it is also a fairly public place where people are coming in and out at any moment. Kids are coming home from school. If it was premeditated as LE is stating due to the *67 calls, how was he so sure that no one would see him doing this?

And then burn her on a fire while people are coming and going all evening/night.

Which btw, I don't even believe there was a fire that night after reading/hearing all the first interviews. LOL

Since there is no evidence of a crime scene in his home, it also seems that he would have attacked her outside near her car, if we base the attack on the evidence inside of her car.. She was in or near her car while she was attacked or very shortly after. Nobody noticed him harming her or putting her body in the car?

 

[missy1974]

Bingo ... and I'm sure SA didn't know everyone's schedule and if customers might be coming in and out of the salvage yard between 2:30 and 5.
Strange case ...

Ya know... even in one of the recordings of CA, I think it was on his ride to the hospital for his DNA, he even mentions that people are coming and going at all hours, like the Dassey kids, Barb, etc. I think it was in a discussion about the lights that him and SA saw, and they asked him about seeing/hearing anyone else those nights.

 

[Madeleine74]

And then burn her on a fire while people are coming and going all evening/night.

Which btw, I don't even believe there was a fire that night after reading/hearing all the first interviews. LOL

Avery himself confirmed there was a fire that night.

 

[Jaiddie]

Couldn't the same be said for any killer - they wouldn't necessarily know what their victim had planned for later, who exactly might miss them, when they might be missed, who might start looking for them and how quickly?

All murderers take some amount of risk, most murderers make some mistake or leave some evidence of some kind, and many murderers get caught, eventually.

SA had his fire within a couple hours or so of TH never being heard from again and his fire continued over several hours. No one in her life knew yet she was missing, certainly not that night or the next 2 nights either.

There are now some questions about whether or not there was even a fire there at SA's the night of 10/31. Since all of the initial interviews have been made accessible to the public, it's become apparent that NO ONE mentions a fire that night on their first interviews, not even Scott Tadych. His initial interview with the police he tells them when he showed up he saw SA, Barb, and one of her sons standing outside the trailer talking, but he makes no mention of a fire. As does no one else, not Bobby, Blaine, Steven, etc.... Just another curious thing about this case to add to the list of illogical facts. When police FIRST interview people just DAYS after that Halloween night, no one says anything about that fire, until several interviews later.

 

[missy1974]

Avery himself confirmed there was a fire that night.

in his first few interviews..... when asked what he was doing that night and the other nights all that week.... it was never mentioned. It was never mentioned by Scott, not Brendan, not Blaine (we don't have any from others at this point) I think I have discussed this over in the bonfire or bones thread, or maybe both.

I don't care what they said months later, IMO if it was that big of a fire, or was that memorable, it would have been mentioned by one them before LE poked into their heads and went "well there must have been a fire that night" (to fit the bones, which of course, I believe were moved there, partly because I don't believe there was a fire there that night) And if you believe they were all hiding it, then they must all have been in on the crime. jmo

 

[Sustained]

Avery himself confirmed there was a fire that night.

This is true ...Episode 3 at around 29:00 while SA is talking to Barb from jail. Says Brendan was home by 9 PM as that is when he went in and talked to Jodi.

 

[Madeleine74]

This is true ...Episode 3 at around 29:00 while SA is talking to Barb from jail. Says Brendan was home by 9 PM as that is when he went in and talked to Jodi.

I think you and others posted this a couple times over the last week or so. Why it's being questioned and doubted now I don't know. It was eventually confirmed by the very person who started the fire, although in his first interview with investigators he never mentioned a fire, just made it sound like he ate dinner, watched some TV, went to bed. Think there might have been a reason Avery never mentioned the bonfire to investigators?

 

[missy1974]

This is true ...Episode 3 at around 29:00 while SA is talking to Barb from jail. Says Brendan was home by 9 PM as that is when he went in and talked to Jodi.

Right... but when was this? Take Avery out of the picture.

No one else said there was a fire that night. Not even Scott... who barely knew this family really, yeah he was TJ's cousin, but he didn't even know all the boys' names at this point (in his statement he said one of the boys but didn't know his name), why would he not mention this fire ... that grew to 10 or 12 foot flames by Feb/March 2006. THAT is why I question it.

They got Brendan to confess to a murder that he most likely did not commit and had no part of. How hard would it be to convince some of these people that a bonfire HAD to have happened that night.

JMO and all that jazz