Netherlands - 230 kids rescued from ‘largest online pedophile network in the world’

[Filly]

When they say, "rescued", what do they mean? What happens to these children after they are "rescued"? Does anyone know?

Moey that's the bajillion dollar question. One would hope these poor kids would have access to good mental health services. The sooner the better. However, how is that going to happen in some of the poorest countries in the world?

Example being Brazil. Are we to believe the poor kids in Brazil are going to be helped? Helped with ongoing health care? Heck, sometimes they can't even eat for God's sake.

Your question is one we should all be asking.

 

[Missizzy]

I think "rescued" can mean many things. A truly fortunate child would be placed in an intense treatment program and returned to lovely and able family members. That sure doesn't always happen, though. That concerns me as many/most of these little ones will be highly sexualized and need intensive treatment. Not just every family can handle this. Children who have undergone this type of trauma really have to be systematically reprogrammed as to where the healthy boundaries are. They honestly don't know. And they so easily can harm other children. Sadly, they are very prone to act out their pain.

I worry terribly about children in third world countries with little treatment available or about children whose family members think that love will do it. A number of our recent threads about pedophiles turn up info that the perps have visited in foreign countries. Several have even worked with the Peace Corps or orphanages. Who hunts down these little victims and helps them. Does anyone?

Concerning the meetings, I noted that in the article I posted yesterday from one of our earlier posts, the "Boy Lovers" had met at a hotel in Chicago to share. I think there must be a real drive to gain acceptance and validation from a group of like-minded "people".

I keep coming back to the issue, though, of just what do we do with 70,000 names of twisted people? I'm telling you, start watching for people suddenly up and moving.

 

[concentric]

This is one of the main organizations involved in this operation that is listed in articles. From what I've read, they have been working to safeguard the children in many locations throughout the world.

Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre:

http://www.ceop.police.uk/report-abuse/test/

http://www.ceop.police.uk/

 

[concentric]

I remembered seeing a program with John Walsh, AMW:

http://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/211306/Child-protection-chief-in-TV-probe

 

[mysteriew]

I'm telling you, start watching for people suddenly up and moving.

Also watch for people burning and otherwise trying to destroy material.

 

[carbuff]

Revampz--I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic but I've been wondering about that island for a long long time. So much more work needs to be done on studying this crime/sickness/obsession and possible treatments. We simply cannot afford to lock up 70,000 people indefinitely and I rail against physically healthy and bright men and women literally sitting on their bunnies giving nothing back to society for decades. I want more active debates and creative solutions. We've got to move past triage and work to make some changes. There's got to be a way to turn this bus around.

So much for taking a break.....jeesh.

This is so very true -- protecting the children so they don't get abused and providing adequate treatment for the ones who are abused so they can learn and heal is only a first step.

I've known a pedophile. He was a lovely man most of the time, and well aware of the evil nature of his desires. He never got any help -- there wasn't any help to be had. He tried. The first time he tried to get help, when he was still in high school, he wound up doing three years in the juvenile ward of a hospital for the criminally insane.

He did eventually find a prison psychologist who had worked with repeat offenders and had some success turning younger lives around -- but it takes constant support and followup. My friend was better for many years, but when the old patterns started to return, again he had nowhere to turn.

He killed himself rather than hurt another child. I'm sure many people in here will think that was a fitting end. But we all have evil in us. We all have good. There has to be a way to figure out how to heal the evil and bring out the good so people can live happy and healthy lives. Yeah, the kind of long term treatment and support is expensive, but it builds lives. How many more thousands of lives will be destroyed if we do nothing? And what is the cost of that?

 

[mysteriew]

Moey that's the bajillion dollar question. One would hope these poor kids would have access to good mental health services. The sooner the better. However, how is that going to happen in some of the poorest countries in the world?

Example being Brazil. Are we to believe the poor kids in Brazil are going to be helped? Helped with ongoing health care? Heck, sometimes they can't even eat for God's sake.

Your question is one we should all be asking.

I keep thinking about Thailand. From what I have read Thailand is associated with pedos so many times. And I don't think that there are a lot of laws against it there. It looks like Thailand is almost a mecca for pedos. (Though they have been cooperating with other country's in getting them convicted once they return to their home countries.) I remember seeing arrests of men returning from Thailand with videos of their time there. It seems in the US there is a law against going overseas to obtain sex with minors. In a country where it seems to be so common, would they be treated or ignored?

 

[mysteriew]

This is so very true -- protecting the children so they don't get abused and providing adequate treatment for the ones who are abused so they can learn and heal is only a first step.

I've known a pedophile. He was a lovely man most of the time, and well aware of the evil nature of his desires. He never got any help -- there wasn't any help to be had. He tried. The first time he tried to get help, when he was still in high school, he wound up doing three years in the juvenile ward of a hospital for the criminally insane.

He did eventually find a prison psychologist who had worked with repeat offenders and had some success turning younger lives around -- but it takes constant support and followup. My friend was better for many years, but when the old patterns started to return, again he had nowhere to turn.

He killed himself rather than hurt another child. I'm sure many people in here will think that was a fitting end. But we all have evil in us. We all have good. There has to be a way to figure out how to heal the evil and bring out the good so people can live happy and healthy lives. Yeah, the kind of long term treatment and support is expensive, but it builds lives. How many more thousands of lives will be destroyed if we do nothing? And what is the cost of that?

I believe there are some out there. We see so many out there who seem to continually justify what they do to kids and almost seem proud of it. But I do believe there are some who do try to change. But it seems like it becomes almost an addiction.

 

[carbuff]

I believe there are some out there. We see so many out there who seem to continually justify what they do to kids and almost seem proud of it. But I do believe there are some who do try to change. But it seems like it becomes almost an addiction.

It does, no doubt about it. I assume there are hardened offenders who will refuse to be helped, and others for whom it's too late.

I think one of the problems with finding a solution is that we in the US tend to think of "a" solution. One size fits all, put money in slot A and perfect people come out Chute B. And in this case I think the only answer is one offender, one person, one life at a time.

 

[Filly]

I keep thinking about Thailand. From what I have read Thailand is associated with pedos so many times. And I don't think that there are a lot of laws against it there. It looks like Thailand is almost a mecca for pedos. (Though they have been cooperating with other country's in getting them convicted once they return to their home countries.) I remember seeing arrests of men returning from Thailand with videos of their time there. It seems in the US there is a law against going overseas to obtain sex with minors. In a country where it seems to be so common, would they be treated or ignored?

There's been a bunch of creepers busted when coming back into the country from Thailand. We had a guy over in Jersey was going back and forth to Russia. They actually paid to have these poor kids from Russia come to Philly's Federal Court to testify against the guy.

So many poor countries with so many kids living in poverty. It's easy to prey on their parents even. You get some rich ol' fat cat coming bringing money, food, expensive gifts for the family and then they want to take your child somewhere with them??????????????????

There are organizations dealing in human trafficking that I do believe can get the children help. I'm sure not enough though. I don't think it would be purposely ignored. Put it one way is poverty stinks.

Meanwhile I found another guy from Georgia busted in this. Back in February. A science teacher in middle school.

Raymond "Robin" Watts.




http://www.wsbtv.com/news/27003178/detail.html

 

[Filly]

Watts told an undercover investigator that he volumteered to be the swim coach so he could have access to the boys.





http://www.romenews-tribune.com/pag...ld+pornography &id=12396215#comments_12396215

 

[Missizzy]

What a novel idea, Mr. Watts.

 

[Missizzy]

Do me a favor. Make a note to check back on this case. IME, these busts are a huge splash for about three days and then absolutely nothing. NOTHING. On first blush, people want to know where the suspects are. Is it their neighbor, their teacher, a friend? There's such tremendous disconnect and such a short attention span for most news readers, that we almost never see the whole story, from beginning to end. And I'm left shaking my head as to just how communities and families are expected to keep their little ones safe with this disconnect.

Check back, please. 70,000 names. Remember that number.

 

[Filly]

Do me a favor. Make a note to check back on this case.

Yes, Maam.:blowkiss:

 

[concentric]

I don't get this:

Online pedophile cheats jail

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/online-pedophile-cheats-jail/story-e6frg12c-1226023750325

 

[concentric]

I suppose "community service" could mean: informant.

melbourne-it-developer-sacked-over-child-porn

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aus...-over-child-porn/story-e6frgakx-1226025650460

 

[Missizzy]

concentric--I want to believe you are right but I've seen some mighty light sentences coming out of Australia recently. I'm not quite sure what's going on. But to be one of the leaders and only get probation? That's outrageous and an affront to the victims, IMO.

Let's hope that there's more to that story.