GUILTY Netherlands - Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 #4

[zwiebel]

I'm here in the Netherlands at the moment. There are such lovely people here. It is just making me think of all the work the Dutch have done to identify and get the MH17 passengers back to their loved ones. And their refusal to give up, despite all the difficulties.

At one stage I doubted even a single victim would be returned. Now look where we are, thanks to so many people's love and dedication. Such a contrast to the careless cruelty of the people who shot these passengers and crew out of the skies.

 

[LambChop]

I'm here in the Netherlands at the moment. There are such lovely people here. It is just making me think of all the work the Dutch have done to identify and get the MH17 passengers back to their loved ones. And their refusal to give up, despite all the difficulties.

At one stage I doubted even a single victim would be returned. Now look where we are, thanks to so many people's love and dedication. Such a contrast to the careless cruelty of the people who shot these passengers and crew out of the skies.

They are wonderful, aren't they? I meet a lot of Dutch on the island of Aruba and they truly are the nicest people.

 

[ZaZara]

They are wonderful, aren't they? I meet a lot of Dutch on the island of Aruba and they truly are the nicest people.

:goodpost:



(wait till you meet one online! :angel: )

 

[ZaZara]

RELATIVES OF 3 GERMAN VICTIMS TAKE UKRAINE BEFORE THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS

RTL-Nieuws reports:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/nabestaanden-mh17-oekraine-medeschuldig

Translation:


Relatives of three German victims of MH17 sue Ukraine before the European Court of Human Rights.

They are convinced that the country was partly to blame for the crash of flight MH17 from Malaysia Airlines.

Ukraine is charged with negligent homicide in 298 cases, according to the German newspaper Bild. Their lawyer said that the airspace was open despite the war.

"The role of the Russians is not clear at this time," lawyer Elmar Giemulla who assists the three families, said. "But it is clear that Ukraine was not able to guarantee that their airspace was safe."

"According to international law, any country that allows international flights is responsible for the safety of the airspace over their territory. Ukraine has failed to close the airspace," said Giemulla. The crashed aircraft had 298 passengers on board, four of whom were German.

The relatives are planning to submit the charges against the Ukrainian government and President Petro Poroshenko within two weeks. In addition to compensation for material damages the lawyer demands indemnity as well. He starts from a sum of at least € 1 million per victim.

Malaysia Airlines has paid the relatives a deposit of 5000 euros for compensation. The rest of the money will follow.

Dutch Criminal Lawyer Geert Jan Knoops told RTL Nieuws that taking the matter to the European Court 'is a challenge in legal terms.'

"I can understand them, because what do these people have to lose? However, you can only submit a complaint to the European Court after the citizen in question has completed the national judicial process. Now one can not say that situation in Ukraine is so poor yet that this is not possible. The lawyer can make an attempt but it's a legal challenge. Another possibility is that this lawyer refers to a kind of temporary ruling of the European Court. "


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[ZaZara]

MORE EVIDENCE OF RUSSIA SUPPLYING THE BUK LINKED TO THE DOWNING OF MH17

Bellingcat reports:
https://bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-...plying-the-buk-linked-to-the-downing-of-mh17/


The likelihood of two different Buks having the same markings and also the same damage seems incredibly unlikely, so this shows that the Buk photographed in Ukraine, travelling through rebel held territory on July 17th, was the same one identified inside Russia in a convoy containing vehicles from the Russian’s 53rd Zrbr “Buk” Brigade based in Kursk.


BBM

Pictures at link

 

[ZaZara]

INVESTIGATION TEAM MH17 ATTACKED BY HACKERS


Dutch Radio1 reports:
http://www.radio1.nl/items/217016-Onderzoeksteam MH17 heeft last van ict-hackers.html

Translation


The investigation team at the Ukrainian disaster site of the MH17 is suffering from hacking, phishing and eavesdropping on telephones and computers. That says Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg, leader of the repatriation mission to 'Dit is de Dag'.

'We assume that this has happened. Under this type of international circumstances many people are interested in our information.'

Aalbersberg says that he does not know who is targeting the ICT equipment of the MH17 investgation team. After their return to The Netherlands, all computers and phones are replaced with new material, as a precaution.

This weekend, the leaders of the MH17 investigation team returned empty-handed to The Netherlands. The disaster area was not accessible for investigation, due to military clashes between the Ukranian army and the separatists.

Twenty members of the team remain In Ukraine and are ready to travel to the disaster area of the downed aircraft as soon as it is safe. The team wants to go to the crash site to recover all the personal belongings of deceased passengers and to do further investigations into the cause of the plane crash.

'I am optimistic, but also realistic about the investigation of MH17. Late October, mid-November winter will start, and then investigating is no longer possible,' Aalbersberg says.

Aalbersberg will travel back to Kiev on Sunday evening. 'We have to keep the pressure on and continue negotiations. It should be clear that the Dutch government will do everything to get the truth on the table.'


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[SouthAussie]

Vladimir Putin is set to attend the G20 leaders’ summit in November despite alarm over Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

Australia, which is hosting the gathering, said on Saturday it was the “emphatic” wish of member nations that the Russian president attend.

As the G20’s rotating president, Australia has been canvassing the views of other member nations about what to do. Despite Western concern about Moscow’s territorial ambitions, the Australian treasurer, Joe Hockey, said the consensus was that Russia should attend the leaders’ summit to help address the geo-political tensions.

“So there was a view that the door should always remain open to keep the dialogue going because ultimately that will be the best way to alleviate some of the geo-political challenges that are faced by many countries by Russia’s actions, and others’ actions, over the last few months.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-want-vladimir-putin-despite-ukraine-tensions

 

[ZaZara]

MALAYSIA PM 'HAD TO ACT ALONE'


Christiane Amanpour exclusive interview with Malaysian PM Najib Razak:

To win release of MH17 bodies and black boxes, Malaysia PM ‘had to act alone’
http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/...-alone/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


What he decided to do, he told Amanpour, was “rather unconventional.”

“Normally as a government, you’d only deal with another government. But here is a movement, a separatist movement, and there was this impasse.”
“We couldn't retrieve the bodies; we couldn't get our hands on the black boxes; we couldn't have access to the crash site.”

“Dealing with the separatists was something just unprecedented.”

There were many even in his own government who didn’t know what he was doing.
“I'm afraid I had to act alone, because it was very, very sensitive. I had to press the buttons, I had to work the back channels. I had to even conduct the operation itself.”
“I was doing it myself, I was literally guiding our team from one checkpoint to another.”


BBM

Video at link


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[SouthAussie]

Malaysia evidently has three people who never made out of the crash site

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak today reaffirmed Malaysia’s commitment to bring home the remains of the last three Malaysian victims of the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH17 tragedy.

“We will continue our efforts to bring home the remains of the last three Malaysians and gather forensic evidence from the MH17 (crash) site,” he said on his Twitter account today.

http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2...t-three-malaysian-mh17-victims/#ixzz3EJmhwTm6

 

[ZaZara]

Malaysia evidently has three people who never made out of the crash site

I am not sure that that is what he means. Not all remains have been identified yet, and the last three Malaysians may well be among them.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that they are! and that all passengers and crew can be accounted for.

 

[ZaZara]

251 VICTIMS IDENTIFIED - 26 NEW IDENTIFICATIONS


De Telegraaf reports:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/23130033/__251_slachtoffers_geidentificeerd__.html


Translation:



This week 26 victims of the disaster flight MH17 were identified. Among them were 19 Dutch, according to the Department of Security and Justice this Friday.
The total number of identified victims now stands at 251. Among them are 160 victims from the Netherlands.

The aircraft of Malaysia Airlines was downed on July 17. All 298 passengers were killed, including 196 Dutch.

The team of specialists is still busy working on the identification in the Korporaal van Oudheusden Kazerne in Hilversum. There, experts from several countries are at work. They are looking among other at DNA samples, fingerprints and dental records of the victims. It may take months before all victims have been identified.

BBM


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[Niner]

I thought I heard on TV that there is a cease fire between Ukraine's Army, the separatists, and Russia?? No? Have the search teams been able to go in yet??

TIA!! :seeya:

 

[ZaZara]

I thought I heard on TV that there is a cease fire between Ukraine's Army, the separatists, and Russia?? No? Have the search teams been able to go in yet??

TIA!! :seeya:

So we all heard or thought we heard. :sigh:

But the reality is different. Today, the Ukranian army and the separatists were fighting near the airport of Donetsk, and it seems that for now, the separatists are winning.


Gert-Jan Dennekamp reports:
http://nos.nl/artikel/704593-gevechten-om-vliegveld-donetsk.html

Translation:


In the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk heavy fighting is continuing still. The separatists are trying to recapture the airport of the city on the Ukrainian government troops.

The rebels are now in command of a part of the arrivals and departures terminals, but the Ukrainian military has not given up the fight, says reporter Gert-Jan Dennekamp.

Dennekamp visited a post of the separatists on the outskirts of the city. The post was under fire with mortars at that moment.

Radio report: http://nos.nl/audio/704565-separatisten-willen-vliegveld-donetsk-innemen.html
Made between a residential area and the airport. Children's care home nearby. All schools are closed. Teachers have not been paid for three months. Shootings are heard everywhere.
Reporter has to dive into a trench together with five separatists due to heavy shelling.

No cease fire in Donetsk.



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BBM

 

[ZaZara]

MALAYSIA: DUTCH, AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES TO DECIDE WHEN TO RETRIEVE MORE REMAINS MH17


http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/newsindex.php?id=1073708

Malaysia is to leave it to the Dutch and Australian authorities to determine when personnel can be sent to eastern Ukraine to retrieve any more remains of the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH17 tragedy, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said Friday.

He said the decision was left to the two countries as their nationals comprised a large number of the passengers on board the ill-fated Boeing 777-200 aircraft which was shot down over Ukraine on July 17.

(...)

Liow also said that so far the remains of 262 of the 298 victims had been identified.

He said he also hoped that the remains of the two remaining Malaysian victims would be among the 27 remains undergoing identification at the Military Medical Centre in Hilversum, Amsterdam.

BBM



Malaysia will continue with its probe into the MH17 tragedy from the technical and criminal aspects and hopes to obtain sound evidence to bring the criminals to the international court.

 

[ZaZara]

MESSAGE FROM MALAYSIAN PM ON TWITTER


Mohd Najib Tun Razak ‏@NajibRazak 29 min.

As we receive 5 more victims today, let us stay united in our prayers & support for the families. We will continue to seek justice for #MH17





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[ZaZara]

262 VICTIMS MH17 IDENTIFIED

De Telegraaf reports:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/mh17/23158356/__262_slachtoffers_geidentificeerd__.html

Translation:


This week, 11 victims of the disaster flight MH17 have been identified, including eight Dutch.
In total, the identity of 262 victims has been verified, according to the Department of Security and Justice on Friday.
Among them are 168 victims from The Netherlands.

BBM

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[Donamena]

262 VICTIMS MH17 IDENTIFIED

De Telegraaf reports:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/mh17/23158356/__262_slachtoffers_geidentificeerd__.html

Translation:


This week, 11 victims of the disaster flight MH17 have been identified, including eight Dutch.
In total, the identity of 262 victims has been verified, according to the Department of Security and Justice on Friday.
Among them are 168 victims from The Netherlands.

BBM

:rose:

Amen :rose::rose::rose:

 

[ZaZara]

BATTLE FOR DONETSK AIRPORT HEATS UP

VICE News ‏@vicenews

.@HarrietSalem reports from Ukraine as the battle for the Donetsk airport heats up: http://bit.ly/1yBZsnS #UkraineDesk


Since fighting broke out in mid-April at least 3,000 people have been killed in eastern Ukraine and up to one million people displaced.

A ceasefire was agreed as part of a peace deal signed in Minsk on September 5, but violations have been reportedly almost daily since it was signed. Until recently much of the fighting was contained to the area surrounding Donetsk airport, where pro-Russian separatists are trying to drive Ukrainian forces from their last foothold in the city, and other flash points near the frontlines such as Debaltseve and Popasna. But overspills in the clashes and civilian casualties have mounted notably in recent days. On Wednesday at least nine deaths were reported after shells hit a bus and school playground in the Kyivskiy district in north Donetsk, close to the airport.

BBM


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[ZaZara]

MEMORIAL FOR ANIMALS ON MH17


Dagblad De Limburger reports:
http://www.limburger.nl/article/20141004/REGIONIEUWS01/141009623/1030

Translation:

Limburg memorial for MH17-animals

The two dogs, parrots and dozens of pigeons that died in the plane crash of the MH17 will have a memorial. Jos Nooijen, owner of the pet cemetery in nature in Grashoek, in the province of Limburg, The Netherlans took the initiative for this.


Why would he want that? Because more and more people need a place to commemorate their pet, he says.





[video=youtube;o_FxBTJ8r8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUHeBKI73Fm4y1bZ7dHVxhCA&feature=player_embedded&v=o_FxBTJ8r8c[/video]


BBM

According to the FB page of Dierenatuurbegraafplaats, the search for the two dogs on MH17 is over:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dierennatuurbegraafplaats-De-Aarde/435030599916616

Little did we know that the quest for Kosta and Quinta is over.
We have received notice that they were probably burned in the disaster area.
We have been working so long to get the dogs to the Netherlands, and suddenly the search is stopped, a strange feeling now.


:rose:

 

[ZaZara]

BREAKING: INVESTIGATIONS MH17 CRASH SITE WILL RESUME IN APRIL NEXT YEAR

Malaysian NTV7.com reports:
http://www.ntv7.com.my/7edition/en-mh17/PROBE_AT_MH17_SITE_TO_RESUME_IN_APRIL.html


Investigations at the MH17 crash site in eastern Ukraine have been ceased temporarily hampered due to bad weather, and will resume in April, next year.

Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar said the area is being guarded by the Ukrainian authorities after Malaysia, Australia and the Netherlands deferred the investigations.

He added the Ukranian authorities have asked the residents in the nearby areas to return victims' belongings to assist the investigations.


BBM

Video in English and Malay with English subtitles at link



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