GUILTY Netherlands - Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 #4

[ZaZara]

BERKUT POLICE PRESENT AT SALVAGE?


Max Seddon reports:

max seddon @maxseddon ·

Rebel guards watch as recovery team moves MH17 remains to Kharkov. via @Shevchenkomax





Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkut_(special_police_force)
The "Berkut" (Ukrainian: Бе́рку&#1090 was the system of special police of the Ukrainian militsiya within the Ministry of Internal Affairs.[4][5] Since late March 2014 its Crimean unit in the Republic of Crimea has been incorporated into the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs preserving its old name. Following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, when Berkut was held responsible by the new government for most of the nearly 100 civilian deaths,[7] acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov signed a decree that dissolved the agency.[8][9] As a result of the 2014 Crimean crisis and the referendum in Crimea the Russian Federation granted accession to the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol as federal subjects of Russia on 21 March 2014.[10]A Three days later Russia announced that the Crimean Berkut unit would preserve its name as it incorporates into the Russian Interior Ministry.[3]

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The badge on the picture looks Russian .... is it real? This is interesting. :thinking:

 

[ZaZara]

RUSSIAN PRESIDENT PUTIN'S EARLY DEPART FROM G20


The Guardian reports:

Russian President Vladimir Putin departs Brisbane, Australia, on Sunday before the formal end of the two-day G20 summit. Putin said he was leaving before the release of the official communiqué because of the long flight to Russia and he wanted to get some sleep. Putin came under intense pressure from G20 leaders over his government's backing for pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine

See video with some of this intense pressure: http://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...20-vladimir-putin-early-exit-pressure-ukraine

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Russian cartoonist Sergey Elkin puts it this way:

Sergey Elkin @Sergey_Elkin




Interview with Sergey Elkin with more Putin cartoons:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/arts_...inds-humor-in-putins-russia-video/497091.html
http://youtu.be/BfNOh6IduY8

 

[ZaZara]

POSSIBLE NEW FOOTAGE OF MOMENTS AFTER MH17 WAS SHOT DOWN


Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews

Possibly new footage of the moments after #MH17 was shot down in eastern #Ukraine.

http://youtu.be/-UpMBH8NmG4

Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews
@rConflictNews If you know the footage is old please let us know. (preferably with a link to original footage)

Veli-Pekka Kivimäki ‏@vpkivimaki
@rConflictNews @UkraineConflict Well it's definitely Hrabove. Haven't seen before.


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Veli-Pekka Kivimäki is contributor to Bellingcat

 

[ZaZara]

FIRST PARTS OF WRECKAGE MH17 SALVAGED TODAY; AGAIN HUMAN REMAINS FOUND


The Dutch Department of Safety and Justice announces:
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/ministeries/venj/nieuws/2014/11/16/eerste-wrakstukken-mh17-geborgen.html

Translation:

At the crash site in eastern Ukraine the first pieces of wreckage of flight MH17 were salvaged today. Also, once again, human remains and personal belongings were found during the salvage operations.

According to the Dutch Safety Board, the salvage operation has gone well. The salvaged debris was taken to the train station in Torez and there partly loaded on train wagons. The salvaged wreckage will be transported by train to Kharkov at a later moment.

When conditions allow this, the salvage will be continued tomorrow. It is expected that salvage of all wreckage will take several days. The Dutch Safety Board has commissioned the salvage of the wreckage for the investigation into the cause and the development of the crash of flight MH17. Among other things, the Safety Board wants to make a reconstruction of a section of the plane.

The human remains and personal belongings found during the salvage operations, were recovered by members of the Dutch repatriation mission. The mayor of Hrabove also transferred some personal possessions to the repatriation mission today. These personal belongings include two passports, bank cards and credit cards, that have been recently submitted by local residents.

The human remains and personal belongings will be transferred to Kharkov for a first forensic check. The mortal remains will return to The Netherlands at a time yet to be determined.

The government is satisfied that on the basis of the agreements that were made under the leadership of the OSCE the salvage of the wreckage of MH17 could start today. The security situation is and remains fragile. Today once again, a mortar struck at approximately 1500 meters from the crash site. As indicated before, everyday it will be examined whether work at the location is possible.


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:rose:

 

[Niner]

Last night, a source in Mr Putin's delegation in Australia said the Russian leader planned to leave the G20 summit early, after Western leaders blasted Moscow for the crisis in Ukraine and threatened more sanctions.

Russia denied it was involved in a recent escalation of military activity in Ukraine, where fighting has claimed more than 4,000 lives, but faced strong rebukes from Western leaders, including US president Barack Obama and Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper.

"I guess I'll shake your hand but I have only one thing to say to you: you need to get out of Ukraine," Mr Harper told Mr Putin at the summit, according to his spokesman Jason MacDonald.

Mr Putin's isolation at the G20 summit was also evident with his placing on the outer edge for the formal leaders' photograph.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-16/putin-to-leave-g20-early-after-pressure-over-ukraine/5894556

I'm SO glad that all the leaders of the G20 Summit did this!! Go home, Putin!! Love it!

And again - I want to THANK YOU all that have posted news on this!! :gthanks:

:seeya:

 

[ZaZara]

RECOVERY OF WRECKAGE MH17 CONTINUES TODAY



Dutch Safety Board on twitter:


Onderzoeksraad @Onderzoeksraad ·

The recovery of wreckage of flight #MH17 has been continued this morning.



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[ZaZara]

'A SAFEGUARD FROM BOMBARDMENTS'


Some tweets from Dutch reporter Joost Bosman,
Journalist in Russia for @De_Persdienst (newspapers), De Tijd, EenVandaag (tv/radio), The Post Online (internet magazine)


Joost Bosman @Joosje :

Meanwhile situation in E-Ukraine deteriorates fast. It's about time to get the pieces out of there 4 investigation. O'wise might be too late (Nov 15)

Dutch team together with emergency response DNR at last started removal wreckage #MH17. Feels like a new phase in processing of the tragedy (Nov 16)

Village head Hrabove says sadly: 'Wreckage #MH17 felt like safeguard from bombardments. When it's gone, the war might start here as well'

Friend frm Kiev called, said she prayed for victims of #MH17, the day the removal of wreckage started. Feel touched, could cry. Seriously.



And Pierre Crom reports:

Pierre Crom ‏@PierreCrom

Now that the plane has been recovered on the #MH17 burn site, inhabitants of Grabovo are fearing artillery shellings #ukraine #donbass #war


Pictures of the recovery of MH17 by Pierre Crom:
http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/2014/11/17/de-berging-van-mh17/



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[ZaZara]

TAIL SECTION OF AIRCRAFT RECOVERED


Dutch Safety Board reports:


Onderzoeksraad ‏@Onderzoeksraad 35 sec.

Recovery wreckage MH17 went well today, among others the tail section was recovered. When possible, the recovery will be continued tomorrow.


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[ZaZara]

RECOVERY OF WRECKAGE CAN BE COMPLETED IN FIVE DAYS


NU.nl reports:
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/3930969/berging-wrakstukken-mh17-kan-vijf-dagen-afgerond.html


Translation:


If conditions remain good, the recovery of the wreckage of disaster flight MH17 can be completed in about five days.

The Dutch Safety Board (OVV) reported this on Monday.
The recovery of wreckage in Ukraine on Monday has gone well, according to the OVV. Among others, the tailpiece was salvaged.

On Monday wreckage was removed from the crash site for the second consecutive day. The parts are necessary for the investigation into the cause of the crash.
Among others things, the OVV wants to make a reconstruction of a section of the aircraft.

Conditions allowiing, the salvage will be continued on Tuesday. The security situation in the area and remains fragile, according to the Department.

This Monday the Dutch salvage team recovered once again human remains. According to the Department of Security and Justice, the rescuers found the remains during the recovery work of the wreckage.

The first forensic examination on the body parts takes place in Kharkov. Later, they will be flown back to The Netherlands.


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:rose:

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting article about why Putin could have left the G20 early. He apparently had a very long 6-hour meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday, a meeting from which he seemed to emerge exhausted and disappointed after unsuccessful talks with Merkel ... with whom he always had a good trade agreement and relationship.


"This core of German Russophiles now looks to have evaporated, and with it Putin loses the only Western partner that could have stopped the isolation of his country."

"Thanks largely to his own anti-Western bluster, Putin’s support in Russia now relies more than ever on his defiance toward the West, and he will sooner accept the role of a pariah abroad than weakling at home."

https://time.com/3590588/putin-merkel-germany-russia/

 

[SouthAussie]

"Malaysian Ambassador to the Netherlands Dr Fauziah Mohd Taib told local media that Malaysia has not been invited yet to be involved in the criminal investigation into the downing of Flight MH17, although Dutch-led workers have already started combing the crash site in Ukraine, it is reported here Tuesday.

Malaysia is currently only part of the MH17 technical investigation team, he said.

Malaysia's Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said recently that Malaysia had expressed its stand very clearly that it must be part of the criminal investigation team and had informed Dutch authorities of its intention."

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/n/2014/1118/c90777-8810597.html


I wonder what is up with that? :waitasec:

 

[SouthAussie]

The United Nations insists on the unhampered investigation of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 in Donetsk region, and on the need to establish all the circumstances of the incident, Deputy Spokesman for the Secretary General Farhan Haq said.

"We believe it's essential that you get to the bottom of what happened to flight MH17," he said at a briefing on Monday.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/234967.html

 

[ZaZara]

PLANNED ATTACK ON DUTCH GOVERNMENT DELEGATION IN KHARKIV?


RTL-Nieuws reports:

pieter klein ‏@pieterkleinrtl 9 min.9 minuten geleden

ANP-persalarm: OEKRAIENSE VEILIGHEIDSDIENST: AANSLAG OP NEDERLANDSE REGERINGSDELEGATIE CHARKOV VERIJDELD (INTERFAX)


Translation:



ANP press alarm: Ukrainian Security Service: ATTACK ON DUTCH GOVERNMENT DELEGATION Kharkiv prevented (INTERFAX)


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Pretty vague:

Interfax reports:
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/234998.html

Ukraine's Security Service Chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko has reported the detention of a terrorist group that was preparing a terrorist attack on the delegation of the Dutch government in Kharkiv.
"During the interrogation of a participant of this terrorist group, we received clear evidence that Russian special services, which by the way trained the group members near the town of Tambov in one of the Russian FSB training camps, issued an order and provided explosives for a terrorist attack against the government delegation of the Netherlands, who planned to visit the state-run Malyshev Plant," he said at a briefing in Kyiv on Tuesday.

 

[ZaZara]

THIRD DAY OF RECOVERY WRECKAGE COMPLETED


Dutch Safety Board reports:

Onderzoeksraad ‏@Onderzoeksraad

Third day of recovery wreckage #MH17 completed. Work is progressing according to plan, intention to continue the recovery tomorrow.


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[Roselvr]

OSCE REACHES AGREEMENTS ON THE SALVAGE OF THE WRECKAGE MH17


The Dutch Department of Security and Justice informs:
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/ministe...-afspraken-over-berging-wrakstukken-mh17.html

Translation:

News | 14-11-2014

Today under the direction of OSCE agreements were reached about the recovery of wreckage of the MH17.
Salvaging the wreckage is important for further investigation.

Tomorrow extra team members of the Dutch mission will travel from Kharkov to Donetsk for logistical support. Hopefully they will begin as soon as possible with their tasks together with the local emergency services (SES). Salvaging the wreckage is done under the responsibility of the Dutch Safety Board (OVV). The OVV will inform - as soon as this is possible - when the salvage has actually started. The security situation remains fragile and every day it is examined if work at the crash site is possible.


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There is no mention of new identifications during the past week.

So thankful they're able to get in to recover the wreckage and possibly the missing remains! My heart goes out to the families

POSSIBLE NEW FOOTAGE OF MOMENTS AFTER MH17 WAS SHOT DOWN


Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews

Possibly new footage of the moments after #MH17 was shot down in eastern #Ukraine.

http://youtu.be/-UpMBH8NmG4

Conflict News ‏@rConflictNews
@rConflictNews If you know the footage is old please let us know. (preferably with a link to original footage)

Veli-Pekka Kivimäki ‏@vpkivimaki
@rConflictNews @UkraineConflict Well it's definitely Hrabove. Haven't seen before.


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Veli-Pekka Kivimäki is contributor to Bellingcat

Very powerful video. I can't even imagine the amount of smoke & how horrible it was for the people that lived where the plane came down. I do not doubt they will have nightmares until the day they pass away. Prayers...

 

[ZaZara]

COSSACK LEADER, PART OF SEPARATISTS, ADMITS IN VICE INTERVIEW MH17 WAS DOWNED BY MISSILE


"O-ho-ho..... rackieta!"


VICE News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky traveled to the site of the MH17 crash, where Dutch investigators continue their work, and spoke with a Cossack commander as well as a representative from the Ukrainian Security Services about the blame game between the two camps that will likely persist for months to come.

https://news.vice.com/video/russian-roulette-dispatch-87?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

MUST SEE VIDEO! and more to come ....

Same video on youtube:

[video=youtu;cYEH6Tfzouo]http://youtu.be/cYEH6Tfzouo[/video]

 

[ZaZara]

AGAIN HUMAN REMAINS FOUND, SALVAGE OF AIRCRAFT CONTINUES


Defensie.nl reports:
http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieu...ukken-stoffelijke-resten-en-spullen-verzameld


Translation:

Today and yesterday once again wreckage and human remains of flight MH-17 have been recovered in Eastern Ukraine. Moreover, yesterday personal belongings were found.

Members of the Dutch repatriation mission have salvaged mortal remains that will first go to Kharkov for a forensic check. The remains and personal belongings will be transported later to The Netherlands, the exact moment is not known yet.

According to the Safety Board the salvage work was done without problems. The wreckage will be transported at a later time by train to Kharkov. Tomorrow the salvage continues. That iis if circumstances permit, because the security situation is and remains fragile.


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:rose:

 

[ZaZara]

SIMON OSTROVSKY PUBLISHES A RESUME OF HIS MH17 STORY


Simon Ostrovsky ‏@SimonOstrovsky

The internet digested my #MH17 story and came up with this....
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/535228200578973699

 

[SouthAussie]

COSSACK LEADER, PART OF SEPARATISTS, ADMITS IN VICE INTERVIEW MH17 WAS DOWNED BY MISSILE


"O-ho-ho..... rackieta!"


VICE News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky traveled to the site of the MH17 crash, where Dutch investigators continue their work, and spoke with a Cossack commander as well as a representative from the Ukrainian Security Services about the blame game between the two camps that will likely persist for months to come.

https://news.vice.com/video/russian-roulette-dispatch-87?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

MUST SEE VIDEO! and more to come ....

Same video on youtube:

Good video. Thanks ZaZara! :seeya:

Interesting to hear some local perspectives, from all sides.

 

[ZaZara]

FIFTH DAY OF RECOVERY



Dutch Safety Board reports:


Onderzoeksraad ‏@Onderzoeksraad 1 min.

Recovered wreckage #MH17 for the fifth day. Expectations are that recovery will need a few more days.


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