New Airline Rules

It just got more interesting. Now, blankets and pillows are forbidden during the last hour of the flight. I wonder if HS has thought about the fact that both men and women in winter have long coats.

And, passengers can't have any items on their laps. This is ridiculous. What are passengers supposed to do - sit there like robots? I'm waiting for an uprising.
 
I read that about pillows and blankets being banded as well. I wonder why that is?

I remember after 911 a lot of things were banned - such as nail clippers, razors things like that - yet knitting needles and ball point pens (which can become deadly weapons) were still allowed. My point is we can make it harder for the terrorists, but what's it really going to take to prevent them? They are like prisoners - they will find every day objects or utensils to get their job done. We live in a very scary world.
 
I read that about pillows and blankets being banded as well. I wonder why that is?

I remember after 911 a lot of things were banned - such as nail clippers, razors things like that - yet knitting needles and ball point pens (which can become deadly weapons) were still allowed. My point is we can make it harder for the terrorists, but what's it really going to take to prevent them? They are like prisoners - they will find every day objects or utensils to get their job done. We live in a very scary world.

I think it's because this guy covered himself with a blanket to supposedly try and detonate the device.
But like somebody else pointed out, what about coats? Scarfs, etc?
Seriously, I think we are getting to a point we will be required to strip naked. Strip searched, cavity searched, no carry on bags, they will give us some paper gowns and diapers to keep us all safe.
 
I don't know what good it will do to keep people in thier seats for the last hour, and allow nothing on thier laps, etc. What I think would be more helpful, is to contact your Congressman/Senator, and complain about the lazy a$$ job done by Homeland Security and the TSA. Also, complain about the security of the airports of originating flights.

As a frequent flyer, alot of that international, I have seen good and bad in airport security in other countries. Regardless of how they are checking people out, the US does get a copy of all flight manifests before the flight leaves the originating country. The person responsible for the attempted terrorist attack on the way to Detroit was on more than one watch list. Maybe not the no fly list, but watch lists all the same. The US must have given the go ahead, or the flight would not have made its way to Detroit.

This person has been on the US radar for more than a year. So 2 problems. If he did not show up on a TSA/Homeland security list, why not? And if he did, who allowed the flight to take off?

A problem related to HSA is, how did he get a Visa to travel here? Who's not minding the store?

In regards to how passengers are cleared through security -

How many are willing to have a pat search? Crotch and all? In any country? I wouldn't mind.

How about the security camera that takes a quick pic of you "behind" your clothing? A pic that is then destroyed within seconds of you being cleared. Fine by me!

These are great security measures, but guess what?? Most people feel it is an invasion of privacy. I don't. I would rather go through a few fairly uncomfortable moments at the airport, than worry about the heck to do with a guy sitting next to me trying to light his underwear on fire over Detroit.

The US, and other countries, will never be able to implement these measures due to the constant whining of passengers who want to be safe, but don't want to go the distance in regards to security.

I realize we shouldn't have to do all of this, but it is what it is. The times have dictated the need for change in airport security. Read up on the Israeli airports. If you don't like what they want to do, they request that you stay home. And the security is operated by specially trained agents and former military. They take ZERO guff from anyone flying. I can't speak for any other city, but I would guess the TSA in Atlanta is a job project with the labor department to give anyone and everyone a job. Just WRONG!! These are not trained agents.
 
Patting people down, including the crotch? That's basically groping, and if a stranger did that to you other than airport security, you'd be calling police.
Wouldn't it be easire to forbid this guy (and others like him) from flying to US since he was on a "watch list?"
 
Once I flew and wore a new shirt that had a leatherette buckle just below the bustline. I never thought about the inside of it being metal while I was getting dressed that morning. When I tried to get through security I set off the alarms. They pulled me aside and did the whole "wand" thing and asked me if I had an underwire bra on. I did not. Finally a woman TSA worker had to take me behind a curtain so that she could pat me down in private. She immediately found the issue (the metal buckle) and let me on my way. Never once did I feel violated, and no...I didn't like it at all, but I was very grateful she had been so thorough - even if it was a bit of an inconvenience for me. We live in different and more dangerous times, and we are all going to have to accept that we will have to make some sacrifices for our safety. It really sucks, but that's the type of world we live in today. No...I'm not going to like sitting in my seat without a pillow or blanket OR my IPOD for the last hour of a flight, but I will follow the rules.
 
Once I flew and wore a new shirt that had a leatherette buckle just below the bustline. I never thought about the inside of it being metal while I was getting dressed that morning. When I tried to get through security I set off the alarms. They pulled me aside and did the whole "wand" thing and asked me if I had an underwire bra on. I did not. Finally a woman TSA worker had to take me behind a curtain so that she could pat me down in private. She immediately found the issue (the metal buckle) and let me on my way. Never once did I feel violated, and no...I didn't like it at all, but I was very grateful she had been so thorough - even if it was a bit of an inconvenience for me. We live in different and more dangerous times, and we are all going to have to accept that we will have to make some sacrifices for our safety. It really sucks, but that's the type of world we live in today. No...I'm not going to like sitting in my seat without a pillow or blanket OR my IPOD for the last hour of a flight, but I will follow the rules.

I don't care for pillow, blanket, or an ipod (that much), but if I have to use a restroom, I have to use a restroom.
There are elderly passengers, sick passengers, etc, that can not hold it for that long.
What are they supposed to do other than just going right there on the seat?
If they are really that concerned about explosives, what they really should do is test for explosives, which isn't invasive. That would make a lot more sense than what they want to do now.
 
Patting people down, including the crotch? That's basically groping, and if a stranger did that to you other than airport security, you'd be calling police.
Wouldn't it be easire to forbid this guy (and others like him) from flying to US since he was on a "watch list?"

I've been patted in security before, and I wouldn't call it groping. When done properly, there is a method that is very professional. Happened in Europe due to a snap in the jeans I was wearing. Not fun, but certainly not a problem.

And I agree about the list....but what about the people that don't make it on any list? What if I, out of the blue, decide to carry something on board that is dangerous? Do you want to take that chance? Do you want to wait for me to get on a list? What if I take down an entire plane because I had a bad day?

We have to do all we can to make sure they don't slip though the cracks. And if they know they might get a pat down, they might think twice.

I'm with you on how you think, I really am. But the old ways of doing things haven't worked. It's time to make some people nervous about airport security.
 
I've been patted in security before, and I wouldn't call it groping. When done properly, there is a method that is very professional. Happened in Europe due to a snap in the jeans I was wearing. Not fun, but certainly not a problem.

And I agree about the list....but what about the people that don't make it on any list? What if I, out of the blue, decide to carry something on board that is dangerous? Do you want to take that chance? Do you want to wait for me to get on a list? What if I take down an entire plane because I had a bad day?

We have to do all we can to make sure they don't slip though the cracks. And if they know they might get a pat down, they might think twice.

I'm with you on how you think, I really am. But the old ways of doing things haven't worked. It's time to make some people nervous about airport security.
Someone who has a bad day can decide to go up to the store or some fast food place and kill everyone. In fact it had happened a number of times. I presume that scenario is much more likely than someone who has a bad day deciding to blow up a plane. Should we all just stay home? There is no way to guarantee anyone's safety a 100 %. In fact, US can't even forbid citizens from owning guns, even though I presume that could safe lives.
Why the obsession with airports?
 
I don't care for pillow, blanket, or an ipod (that much), but if I have to use a restroom, I have to use a restroom.
There are elderly passengers, sick passengers, etc, that can not hold it for that long.
What are they supposed to do other than just going right there on the seat?
If they are really that concerned about explosives, what they really should do is test for explosives, which isn't invasive. That would make a lot more sense than what they want to do now.

No idea how they will handle that. You might have to ring a FA and tell them you need to go. They may do it on a case by case situation. Who knows? Maybe it will be left to a FA to determine ift he 85 yo woman needs to go, and the 25 yo man doesn't. No idea.
 
Someone who has a bad day can decide to go up to the store or some fast food place and kill everyone. In fact it had happened a number of times. I presume that scenario is much more likely than someone who has a bad day deciding to blow up a plane. Should we all just stay home? There is no way to guarantee anyone's safety a 100 %. In fact, US can't even forbid citizens from owning guns, even though I presume that could safe lives.
Why the obsession with airports?

Very good point, jjenny. Wish we knew the answer. My guess would be - an airport has its own security, and they should be better utilized. A fast food place doesn't have any.

If I were in a fast food joint, I may not have enough time to get out before someone loses it....in a plane, I definately don't. I need the airport security on my side to give me a slight advantage.....

It's so sad that we even have to try and figure this out.....
 
I don't care for pillow, blanket, or an ipod (that much), but if I have to use a restroom, I have to use a restroom.
There are elderly passengers, sick passengers, etc, that can not hold it for that long.
What are they supposed to do other than just going right there on the seat?
If they are really that concerned about explosives, what they really should do is test for explosives, which isn't invasive. That would make a lot more sense than what they want to do now.

I hear you loud and clear. I know what you are saying, and I'm sure there will be times when I will have to use the bathroom in the last hour, but until something changes it doesn't sound like we have a choice in the matter unless we want to be escorted off the plane upon landing. I happen to be on medication that makes me go more often, so no...I definitely don't like this new safety measure (if you can call it that). I have a feeling it won't last. TSA will have to come up with another and more reasonable safety measure IMO.
 
I hear you loud and clear. I know what you are saying, and I'm sure there will be times when I will have to use the bathroom in the last hour, but until something changes it doesn't sound like we have a choice in the matter unless we want to be escorted off the plane upon landing. I happen to be on medication that makes me go more often, so no...I definitely don't like this new safety measure (if you can call it that). I have a feeling it won't last. TSA will have to come up with another and more reasonable safety measure IMO.

I am all for reasonable safety measures, but not for ridiculous and invasive ones, that seem unlikely to do anything anyway other than inconvinience many people to the point they will not want to fly at all.
 
I hear you loud and clear. I know what you are saying, and I'm sure there will be times when I will have to use the bathroom in the last hour, but until something changes it doesn't sound like we have a choice in the matter unless we want to be escorted off the plane upon landing. I happen to be on medication that makes me go more often, so no...I definitely don't like this new safety measure (if you can call it that). I have a feeling it won't last. TSA will have to come up with another and more reasonable safety measure IMO.

It won't last. In fact, I read somewhere, that some of the larger international airports only put any special precautions in place for 72 hours. Geeee, thanks for the support, huh? I was quite dissappointed to see this, as they were at FCO in Rome, when they reported this. And that is my favorite airport. :(

If the airports in other countries don't see the US airports crackin' the whip, they really have no reason to go out of thier way to help us.
 
Man, I hope they don't make me pay extra for a strip search. I used to be able to get that service free of charge. :angel:
 
Ok, the idea that more, and perhaps innovative security measures are needed is good.But the last hour thing where passengers cannot get out of their seats, ets, as so many of you have already said, is ludicrous. It is like the parents who think that if their child is in before midnight that nothing bad could have happened. I have IBS, and have been tested for Celiac (family doc thinks I have it) and flying is already a nightmare in re: to what to eat to minimize the bathroom trips. Generally, I simply don't eat until I get to my final destination. But, I do take in liquids to keep hydrated. Just one more reason why I am more and more in favor of driving. What I am having trouble with is understanding why this man/terroist was allowed to fly when he has been on the Homeland Security radar for quite some time. What has happened to the "No-fly" list, and why wasn't he on it??? Thank God for the passenger who jumped up to assist, and amen to having no injuries to anyone onboard.
 
Someone who has a bad day can decide to go up to the store or some fast food place and kill everyone. In fact it had happened a number of times. I presume that scenario is much more likely than someone who has a bad day deciding to blow up a plane. Should we all just stay home? There is no way to guarantee anyone's safety a 100 %. In fact, US can't even forbid citizens from owning guns, even though I presume that could safe lives.
Why the obsession with airports?

Here's the answer in a nutshell: September 11, 2001.

Almost 3,000 people died within 102 minutes, on American soil, due to acts of terrorism involving four American hijacked airplanes.

Also, billions of dollars in American property and real estate were destroyed.

I believe that the terrorist's "obsession with airports" started long before Homeland Security's obsession with airports.
 

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