New Details of Josh's Brainwashing Techniques

[Just K]

This link shows the bottom right hand of the picture Charlie drew -- http://www.scribd.com/doc/83570307/Josh-Powell-documents-released-3-2-12

I just read in one of the family visit observations/notes that JP brought his own knife from home to carve the vegetables. WTH was going on at that so-called "safe house" where they would allow a parent to bring in a carving knife?

 

[carole]

"Don't play with me" --- could the figure on the left be Dad?? The circle with Josh and Charlie has been crossed through as to say no more playing. Charlie is saying he doesn't want Dad "bothering" him any more??

 

[wenwe4]

This link shows the bottom right hand of the picture Charlie drew -- http://www.scribd.com/doc/83570307/Josh-Powell-documents-released-3-2-12

Thank you for this link. . . . it appears that all of the figures this child drew the figures "right leg" is thinner and smaller than the left legs of each one. They are all wearing tennis shoes? I find it interesting that the figure next to the Dad? has a left leg raised ready to run (?) or escape(?)

 

[Dal Gal]

I have to say, I am a little annoyed that with well over 2000 pages of documents released, we've seen maybe 50 pages!

The media attained this information under the Freedom of Information Act, and then cherry picked what the public can actually see! Surely this particular drawing was accompanied by some sort of documents that can put it into context, so do we need to petition the media to provide it??! :banghead:

 

[wenwe4]

OT - new thread started . . . see Media links and Insurance Policy to see updated info on this case.

 

[wenwe4]

More info on what SP had in the home that led to his arrest.

The subjects were naked or semi-nude in many of the photos and likely did not know they were being photographed, prosecutors say in court papers

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/03/07/2056209/steven-powell-says-search-was.html#storylink=cpy

 

[SmoothOperator]

ITA dal gal! MOO they should release every page to the public.. I mean really all it takes is simply scanning the pages into the computer in pdf files..

But that would defeat THEIR purpose.. As the media's purpose is truly not to keep us informed for our benefit, but rather to keep us co.tinually dependant upon them for the next drips and drabs they cherry pick to release to their anxiously awaiting public! :furious:

 

[RoseTree]

I am really bothered by one of the narratives from the visitation where one of the boys says that mommy loved purple, and that JP said, no, she loved all colors.

It makes me sick that he speaks about her in past tense, and I feel like the kids probably knew that she was dead too.

And it also irritates the snot out of me that he was correcting the child of a woman that he presumably killed, about his mother

 

[dovebar]

I am really bothered by one of the narratives from the visitation where one of the boys says that mommy loved purple, and that JP said, no, she loved all colors.

It makes me sick that he speaks about her in past tense, and I feel like the kids probably knew that she was dead too.

And it also irritates the snot out of me that he was correcting the child of a woman that he presumably killed, about his mother

I found that an odd thing to correct a child on. It made me wonder whether Susan was wrapped in a purple blanket or whether there's some bizarre reason NOT to associate her with purple. Probably nothing, but why would JP feel the need to "correct" a child about that?

 

[sayd]

I have been debating about posting this. But I think it points out the difference.

On my fridge is a picture my granddaughter drew as a class assignment. She and Charlie were the same age.

Big blue sky. Big yellow sun. Big green bush. Her brother Joey, me (Grandma), her, and her daddy, plus the 3 dogs we are walking. We all have smiles and we are all holding hands depicted by big circles at the end of our arms connecting us all together.

Funny thing is, we didn't really hold hands because we were all busy walking a dog. ) It is a very happy FEEL GOOD type of picture and it really happened. The four of us went for a walk with the three dogs. Her teacher wrote, "You took a lot of dogs on your walk - how fun."

Big contrast.

 

[passionflower]

ITA dal gal! MOO they should release every page to the public.. I mean really all it takes is simply scanning the pages into the computer in pdf files..

But that would defeat THEIR purpose.. As the media's purpose is truly not to keep us informed for our benefit, but rather to keep us co.tinually dependant upon them for the next drips and drabs they cherry pick to release to their anxiously awaiting public! :furious:

maybe this is the 'tamest' of the pictures?
Imagine if there are worse ones!

 

[OneLove]

maybe this is the 'tamest' of the pictures?
Imagine if there are worse ones!

 

[OneLove]

I found that an odd thing to correct a child on. It made me wonder whether Susan was wrapped in a purple blanket or whether there's some bizarre reason NOT to associate her with purple. Probably nothing, but why would JP feel the need to "correct" a child about that?

You sure make a good point!

If he WASN'T hiding something (and I think you may be onto something there), then "correcting" the child may be just another means of removing their "real" memory of their mother. He seemed to have been pretty sick in that way.

 

[wenwe4]

i have been debating about posting this. But i think it points out the difference.on my fridge is a picture my granddaughter drew as a class assignment. She and charlie were the same age.

Big blue sky. Big yellow sun. Big green bush. Her brother joey, me (grandma), her, and her daddy, plus the 3 dogs we are walking. We all have smiles and we are all holding hands depicted by big circles at the end of our arms connecting us all together.

Funny thing is, we didn't really hold hands because we were all busy walking a dog. ) it is a very happy feel good type of picture and it really happened. the four of us went for a walk with the three dogs. Her teacher wrote, "you took a lot of dogs on your walk - how fun."

big contrast.

exactly!!!

 

[butwhatif?]

Are we sure it says, "don't play with me?" Maybe he just didn't spell it right.

Looks like : Doan't play with me!.

-as though there is emphasis on the don't, or it's spelled phonetically based on how they pronounce it.

This child has a pretty good grasp of grammar. The first letter of the sentence is is upper case, and it ends with an exclamation point, but also has a period. So they are definitely making a firm statement- even without the cross through the picture.
What I notice is the word play is all upper case. So the emphasis seems to be on that word, because there's no mish-mash of upper and lower case throughout.

"Don't play with me" --- could the figure on the left be Dad?? The circle with Josh and Charlie has been crossed through as to say no more playing. Charlie is saying he doesn't want Dad "bothering" him any more??

Because we know certain details surrounding the case, I like to do experiments by asking people who have no idea what it is all about, just to get their basic impressions, so there's no bias.

All I said is "what do you think of this picture"?

Hubby: It's disturbing
Me: Why?
Hubby: Because there's a dead person in it!.......and OMG! Is that an erection?

(I didn't even pick up on the person on the left being dead)

I sent the picture to a friend and asked the same thing- only saying that it wasn't drawn by my kids.

Her reply:

"For whatever reason, I think they with the cross-out are older.

Could be adults "playing" with a child. The word playing having a different meaning...."

So people are seeing some serious red flags in it, even knowing nothing about the case.

From a kids POV: (All I said is what do you see in this picture)?

My 6 yr old said it looks like the person on the left has fainted, and the other part of the picture is a dad with his son or maybe daughter.

My 8 yr old simply said the boy doesn't like his dad because he crossed them out.

I have been debating about posting this. But I think it points out the difference.

On my fridge is a picture my granddaughter drew as a class assignment. She and Charlie were the same age.

Big blue sky. Big yellow sun. Big green bush. Her brother Joey, me (Grandma), her, and her daddy, plus the 3 dogs we are walking. We all have smiles and we are all holding hands depicted by big circles at the end of our arms connecting us all together.

Funny thing is, we didn't really hold hands because we were all busy walking a dog. ) It is a very happy FEEL GOOD type of picture and it really happened. The four of us went for a walk with the three dogs. Her teacher wrote, "You took a lot of dogs on your walk - how fun."

Big contrast.

Now I'm looking at my childrens drawings. I have a whole bunch of them stuck on my bedroom wall. The ones in colour are very colourful and 'happy' ,but some are just drawn in lead pencil. Still those ones are full of rainbows, butterflies love hearts, etc.

There is a pattern. There are some where nobody has hands or feet (rush-jobs), and some where everyone has them .

But there are none where only certain people have hands or feet.

There was one I was slightly concerned about, that I'm sure could be misintepreted without context.
It was DD with a speech bubble that said "I love you mummy". Then me with a speech bubble that says "I love you to swit hurt" (sweetheart), and we are cuddling. Then there's a person next to us who looks like a witch and in it's speech bubble it says "ANGREE".
I had to ask DD who the angry person was, and she said it was her sister and she was jealous because we were cuddling in the picture. LOL.
Gotta love that sibling rivalry.

JP's self assessment on page 23 is another red flag IMO. It's so typical of narcissists to think that the right answer is ticking no to every question, to try to make people think are perfect and completely stable.

With his wife 'missing', him being the POI, the custody battle and everything else, he never felt anxious, had trouble sleeping, or staying focused?
That had to be a clue that he's either lying, or is incapable of normal emotion.

JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

OK this is my interpretation of what I see. I think that is Susan on the floor dead. Look at the shoes, bedroom shoes. He does such a good job of the tennis shoes on the other person I really think that was the last time he saw his Moma.

I'm not sure that is his dad and wonder if it isn't the wierd naked brother and dog that was at the Powell house. You know the brother probably scared them to death and the dog would jump up on them and probably knock Charlie down, perhaps that is why we just see the leg and shoe sticking out from under the dog.

The no ears are very interesting especially after reading that anytime Susan's name was mentioned at first he would cover his ears and run screaming from the room. No ears could mean no one could hear what he wanted to say or he could never say what he wanted too. I don't know about Braden but I suspect that is exactly the way Charlie saw his mother last. Then their whole world turned upside down and they moved in with the wierd naked uncle and a big dog with a crazy grandpa and a crazy household. Poor little guys!

I'm telling you guys, that Charlie was on sharp child and Josh could not control him and I suspect Charlie knew that. If these children saw what Josh did to their mom I know they knew he could do it to them at anytime. The only time they ever felt secure after Susan died was when they began to relax at their Grandparents and began to feel secure and safe.

 

[butwhatif?]

I found that an odd thing to correct a child on. It made me wonder whether Susan was wrapped in a purple blanket or whether there's some bizarre reason NOT to associate her with purple. Probably nothing, but why would JP feel the need to "correct" a child about that?

I find it even more bizarre now that I noticed that the archived version of the susanpowell.org site had a purple theme...purple ribbon and purple flowers.... but not even a hint of purple on the current site. :waitasec:

The link to the archived version is in this post....
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I may be reaching a bit now, but then I remembered about Charlie telling the story at school about burying the bear and planting a raspberry tree.
There is a purple flowering raspberry tree called Rubus odoratus.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Rubu...&sa=X&ei=pNFdT_OKFMioiAfMhaycDQ&ved=0CDkQsAQ&

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I find it even more bizarre now that I noticed that the archived version of the susanpowell.org site had a purple theme...purple ribbon and purple flowers.... but not even a hint of purple on the current site. :waitasec:

The link to the archived version is in this post....
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - New page added to SusanPowell.org


I may be reaching a bit now, but then I remembered about Charlie telling the story at school about burying the bear and planting a raspberry tree.
There is a purple flowering raspberry tree called Rubus odoratus.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Rubu...&sa=X&ei=pNFdT_OKFMioiAfMhaycDQ&ved=0CDkQsAQ&

Oooo a few varieties fo that rasberry grow in WA! Hmmm! Great find butwhatif! You should post this info on the help find Susan thread. IMO

wm

 

[wenwe4]

I wonder what color was the bloodstained comforter found in the storage?

 

[neesaki]

My experience in the church is like wenwe's and sulasmith's, unfortunately.

However, I know lots of Mormon women and families more like Gwenabobs and I am glad for that.

My great, great grandparents were pioneers with the John Higby Company. I am 47 years old and still have flashbacks from the patriarchal abuse experienced in my family of origin.

I don't think the patriarchal abuse is exclusive to the Mormon or any other faith. I think it's more cultural and generational, and religion is used as a means to support and as an excuse for patriarchal abuse and control. I say this because I was raised in a Baptist family, not Mormon, and I had an emotionally and verbally abusive father who treated his daughters like scullery maids and his son like a prince. Religion was used as a means of control to the point of spiritual abuse. Our church also had extremely over controlling and oppressive beliefs to the point of cult-like. Probably why my father chose that church, lol.