New Mackenzie Phillips Book Reveals Sexual Relationship With Her Father

[aprilshowers]

His estate is releasing an album in 2010 of MP and JP songs (I have a feeling that it will have very, very, very poor sales):
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/john-mackenzie-phillips-album-to-be-released_1117042

A song he wrote about her from his first solo album:

"She's Just 14" Lyrics

She's just 14 - little movie star queen
There isn't much she hasn't seen
She "did it" in a limousine car
She dated pop stars
Hey Rainbow Hair, say that's no where

But she always says
I'm just a sexy trash can
But she's just a little girl, who thinks like a man
And sometimes her Daddy's spoiled her
Sometimes he treated her rough
Sometimes she's gentle
Sometimes she's tough

But she is always too nice to the driver
She says James have you had your supper
And she's always too high on arrival
And she runs on her high platform heels
And she falls flat on her face and she knows how life feels

She got the moves, yeah she got looks
She got the style, she's read all the books
And nobody got her on her hooks
She's on a real smooth trip, yes a real smooth trip

She's always too nice to the driver
She says James have you had your supper
And she's always too high on arrival
And she runs on her high platform heels
And she falls flat on her face and she knows how life feels

I see her sipping her Thunderbird wine
Wonderin' if she's the last word in space and time
And she knows she is, She's so pleased to discover
She's so hip. She's on a smooth trip.

Well she's always too nice to the driver
She says James have you had your supper
And she's always too high on arrival
And she runs on her high platform heels
And she falls flat on her face and she knows how life feels

Do you all realize ... the title of her book ... is in the lyrics of that song?

Bolded by me ...

 

[Kat]

I have so many points to make and I know that half of them will be forgotten as I type. Whatever motives are behind MP book and publicity appearances, it is her story to tell and if people are interested in that story, then they are welcome to buy the book. If they are horrified and sickened, then they are free to pass it up. MP has lived a life of excess, lack of boundaries, inappropriate lifestyles, and freedom from consequences. While she struggled all her life with drugs, there was a constant....her father. Whether he was a positive constant, is really a moot point. He is the only life she knew, learned from, and used as a reference for her choice of actions. Even in times of shame and regret about drug use and actions she took, there would always be someone to justify her choices to her....Dad. It appears to be a very sick co-dependant relationship. In all likelihood, MP could never be considered for any acting jobs as she has proven herself to be a liability. If proceeds from a book allow her to make a living and surround herself with a buffer or barrier, then I don't fault her for it. She really doesn't owe anyone an apology. She didn't drag everyone into it, they just happen to be in it because they are a relative. Until, she puts her needs first and does what is right for her, she will never move out of that part of her life. The book is about more than this issue. YES, the shock value may garner interest, but really, who are we to care if we don't really care? KWIM
JMO

Beautiful post SontheS.

I hadn't commented on this thread because it made me cringe. At least I'm honest about it.

If this did happen to her, she has my profound sympathy.

If it didn't and she made this up, she has my profound sympathy.

This woman has more issues that I can honestly say I care to decipher and understand.

That's why this will be my only post to this thread. Because I'm one of the one's that will have to pass this up.

All I can say is Bless her, because either way she needs it.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Do you all realize ... the title of her book ... is in the lyrics of that song?

Bolded by me ...

She actually mentioned that line and a few others in her Oprah interview.

 

[VespaElf]

I can't get my head around the consensual sex she supposedly had with her father after she was a married woman. I would think the required "alone time" would have to include not only a setting and opportunity, but also the mood for sex with her dad - even going so far as to claim it happened on the eve of her wedding night. :sick: That seems so dramatic. I was with my husband on the eve of our wedding night. :waitasec:

How the heck did MP pull off a 10yr relationship with her father behind her husband's back? They had their own place, her then career would have occupied a lot of her time as well. I can see the whole "Stockholm syndrome" thing if MP still lived with her dad, but 10 years (until she was almost 30?) with a lot of money, a lot of drugs, a lot of traveling, a lot of cameras, a lot of lovers - even starting her own family....yet even in her celebrity world she repeatedly kept finding herself in the same location, time, setting, and mood to give in to sex with her dad again?

I do not understand it. I only know I can barely read anything about it because I feel sick to my stomach when I do.

#1 I think adult incestuous relationships happen ALOT more than we thinksick and #2 you have to remember MP & JP were dysfunctional,hardcore drug addicts who were unhealthily ememshed .MP felt neglected as a child and here was her chance to be "Daddy's Little Girl"(insert vomit icon again).They also toured together(with Denny as a "new"M& P which is how he likely knew about the relationship) & for years did seem to have a very close relationship.If we can believe theyd shoot each other up with drugs why is believing theyd get so high theyd have sex so difficult?
As soon as Im finished with "The Last Child" Im starting "High On Arrival".
Im a fast reader so Ill post what my thoughts are when Im finished...........

 

[Miss_Scarlett]

Are you reading The Last Child in the Woods or something else?

 

[aprilshowers]

She actually mentioned that line and a few others in her Oprah interview.

Ah! I must have missed that on Oprah .. hmmm I watched the show, but maybe was visiting John at the time.

Does anyone think it ironic .. that she used a line from her Dad's song, as the title to her book?

 

[aprilshowers]

#1 I think adult incestuous relationships happen ALOT more than we thinksick and #2 you have to remember MP & JP were dysfunctional,hardcore drug addicts who were unhealthily ememshed .MP felt neglected as a child and here was her chance to be "Daddy's Little Girl"(insert vomit icon again).They also toured together(with Denny as a "new"M& P which is how he likely knew about the relationship) & for years did seem to have a very close relationship.If we can believe theyd shoot each other up with drugs why is believing theyd get so high theyd have sex so difficult?
As soon as Im finished with "The Last Child" Im starting "High On Arrival".
Im a fast reader so Ill post what my thoughts are when Im finished...........

I'm still not sure how I feel .. or if I believe her or not but: I've often wondered about 'consensual' sex among abusers and the abused, many times. It's probably something that people don't want to talk about I'm sure, or feel too awkward discussing it, but I wonder.

I'm not saying that ANY of the abused are responsible at ALL .. please understand that, no way are they! I mean, when it goes on for long periods of time ... unless they are being raped forcefully or being beat too, I've often wondered, do they come to enjoy (and I use that word carefully) it? And if they do, they must feel horribly guilty and confused.

It must be a terrible position to be in, since it might come to feel good, yet your spirit is telling you, it's not suppose to be this way. I'm sure that's why many of those abused, might go on to become very sexually inappropriate and have a very confused life.

Have you honestly, ever thought of this?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Beautiful post SontheS.

I hadn't commented on this thread because it made me cringe. At least I'm honest about it.

If this did happen to her, she has my profound sympathy.

If it didn't and she made this up, she has my profound sympathy.

This woman has more issues that I can honestly say I care to decipher and understand.

That's why this will be my only post to this thread. Because I'm one of the one's that will have to pass this up.

All I can say is Bless her, because either way she needs it.

You are too generous. If these are all lies I don't think sympathy is what I would feel- more like contempt.

 

[VespaElf]

I'm still not sure how I feel .. or if I believe her or not but: I've often wondered about 'consensual' sex among abusers and the abused, many times. It's probably something that people don't want to talk about I'm sure, or feel too awkward discussing it, but I wonder.

I'm not saying that ANY of the abused are responsible at ALL .. please understand that, no way are they! I mean, when it goes on for long periods of time ... unless they are being raped forcefully or being beat too, I've often wondered, do they come to enjoy (and I use that word carefully) it? And if they do, they must feel horribly guilty and confused.

It must be a terrible position to be in, since it might come to feel good, yet your spirit is telling you, it's not suppose to be this way. I'm sure that's why many of those abused, might go on to become very sexually inappropriate and have a very confused life.

Have you honestly, ever thought of this?

I have & Ive heard (most famously from Oprah herself discussing her abuse)that yes it can & does feel "good"(I guess if its non-violent abuse)& it does in fact lead to confusion(obviously).
There was a book out a few years ago from a woman who claimed she started consensual sexual relationship with her birth father after reconnecting with him while she was in college.......she too was on Oprah & thats where Oprah talked about how it can feel good & the conflict & confusion.
Im a survivor & *I* cant imagine that however my experience was violent so I cant fathom it however in a "grooming"situation where you are know or are related to your abuser & its done as "love"sick?As a"icky" as it is you could indeed see it happening & yes the conflict as well as boundary issues it would cause & thats where I think MP is coming from.............

 

[VespaElf]

Are you reading The Last Child in the Woods or something else?

No its just "The Last child" by John Hart.Its fiction & not something Id normally read but its been enjoyable.Its about a boy determined to find his missing twin sister.

 

[PoppyMcTwist]

Ah! I must have missed that on Oprah .. hmmm I watched the show, but maybe was visiting John at the time.

Does anyone think it ironic .. that she used a line from her Dad's song, as the title to her book?

It's just one more way for her to use her dead father. Great marketing strategy, actually.

 

[sleutherontheside]

The song was written about MP by her father. So if she borrows a line from the song, it is after all about her. Having a father write a song like that about his 14 yo daughter is really a prime example of him using his daughter so looks like a continued cycle.

 

[southcitymom]

By way of curiosity, I found a place where you can listen to the song: http://www.411mania.com/music/news/...Just-14\\,-Written-For-Daughter-MacKenzie.htm.

 

[PoppyMcTwist]

The song was written about MP by her father. So if she borrows a line from the song, it is after all about her. Having a father write a song like that about his 14 yo daughter is really a prime example of him using his daughter so looks like a continued cycle.

Many artists write songs about their children, so I guess we can say they are all just "using" their kids. It's a whole new level of "using" to take a line of lyrics, and then plaster it on a book which contains salacious, unproven tales of incest about a man who has absolutely no way of defending himself.

You say song "like that" as if the lyrics are somehow offensive. Like any song it can be interpreted in many ways. John wrote a song that describes a spoiled, rebellious girl. Seems pretty honest, IMO, and in no way even hints at abuse.

IMO

 

[mysterygirl]

I did not really believe this at first but did anyone hear something about a brother confirming it?

 

[sleutherontheside]

FWIW...
Here is a link to a post on a website that covers an interview that Bijou Phillips gave regarding her dad. Seems at the time of that interview, she was singing a different tune than she has recently.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-09-26-was-bijou-phillips-involved-with-her-father-too

 

[PoppyMcTwist]

FWIW...
Here is a link to a post on a website that covers an interview that Bijou Phillips gave regarding her dad. Seems at the time of that interview, she was singing a different tune than she has recently.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-09-26-was-bijou-phillips-involved-with-her-father-too

In the Perez article, he writes:

"Now that we all know Bijou was knowledgeable about Mackenzie's relationship with her father...."

Wow, what a loaded statement. It's assuming all sorts of things are true that haven't been shown to be true at all. I have not heard Bijioux once say she believed there was a relationship. She said this:

"This news was confusing and also scary, because I'd lived alone with him since I was 3," she said. "[John Phillips] was Mr. Mom, loving and encouraging; the man who raised me would never be capable of such things."

She also questioned why Mackenzie would leave her alone with their father if he'd molested the elder sister. "

Perez also states that MP told Bijioux abut the incest and Bijioux didn't believe her. According to the CNN article, MP told Bijioux about the incest and then told her it wasn't true. Bijioux didn't just not beleive her.

Yet somehow Perez twists this into "We all know Bijioux was knowledgable about the relationship".

As for the song. She's a song writer. She said we are all going to interpret her songs differently so IMO, it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

If her story is true, I do think it is VERY disturbing that MP didn't try and get Bijioux away from John. Did she call the police, call the sisters, call the mom, do something, anything to save the little sister? So far, it sounds as if she did nothing.

Edited to add: Sorry, I forgot to mention that those statements by Bijioux were from the CNN Showbiz page.

IMO

 

[sleutherontheside]

I have to wonder whether or not MP was ever really sure that Bijoux was safe. Clearly, MP was not in a position to even keep herself safe. I don't take everything that is posted in the news as Gospel, as we all know how skewed reporting can be. I just won't discount her claims because she was/is an addict. If others have come forward and validated her claims, then until there is proof otherwise I feel an obligation to believe her. Maybe not all the details, but the general claim itself. Everything about this story is disturbing on many different levels.

 

[jannuncutt]

I really believe that she is telling the truth. I know that she has been an addict (like almost forever) but, I always had the feeling that she was damaged beyond that. To me, this incest puts it all in perpsective.

 

[essies]

Denny Doherty's daughter backs MP up with a statement she sent to Oprah. She (the daughter) said that her own father knew and told her about it. She said her dad was horrified by it. (Doherty was in the Mama's & The Papa's)

I think that that song that JP wrote about Mackenzie sets off loads of bells and whistles, IMO. I mean seriously, a father writes that about his FOURTEEN year old child? Disgusting...

I have to wonder whether or not MP was ever really sure that Bijoux was safe. Clearly, MP was not in a position to even keep herself safe. I don't take everything that is posted in the news as Gospel, as we all know how skewed reporting can be. I just won't discount her claims because she was/is an addict. If others have come forward and validated her claims, then until there is proof otherwise I feel an obligation to believe her. Maybe not all the details, but the general claim itself. Everything about this story is disturbing on many different levels.

Chynna P was on Oprah yesterday and also validated MP's story. You're right Sleuther-this story is disturbing on many levels! If this is true she is a victim-how she handles it is a work in progress that will continue throughout her life.
I don't know if anyone of us would know how to handle it-and there are many ways to handle life's trauma. Constructive ways and destructive ways! I hope she finds peace and some reconcilliation with her family.