New page added to SusanPowell.org

[fran]

Wow! That's quite a piece of fiction SP wrote to the FBI?, IMHO. Hope he doesn't give up his day job, IF he has one. I sure hope IF he's got a day job, it's not writing songs. :sick:

SK and SP? RIDICULOUS! :croc:

While JP and his dad are reading WS, maybe they should read the story about Kelly Morris. That's in NC,..................just check the 'search' button.:twocents:

Oh, on another note,... I wonder if JP knows Raven Abaroa? He WAS from Ut and he's LDS too! ....Of course, Raven is now in NC. But he could probably tell JP what to expect when they extradict a person.

I think Susan's parents should try to get custody of the kids, eventhough they haven't found Susan yet. It worked for Michelle Young's family.............hey,.............. that's in NC too! :waitasec:

just sayin'
fran

PS.....You know, I can't think of one case in all these pages of WS, that the person left behind and his family, trashed the victim as much as they have in this case and then to bring about the name and family of another victim as well. Gosh, I don't know which person from previous cases come even close to this despicable........Poor Susan, she never had a chance.

 

[laytonian]

PS.....You know, I can't think of one case in all these pages of WS, that the person left behind and his family, trashed the victim as much as they have in this case and then to bring about the name and family of another victim as well. Gosh, I don't know which person from previous cases come even close to this despicable........Poor Susan, she never had a chance.

(gentle snippage)

They've trashed Susan, Steven, both families AND anyone whose information opposes the theory they're trying to sell.

All you have to do is go back to Stevens threads 5, 6 and 7 and read the reaction to the logical timeline shift that moved Steven's driving trip further away from the date of Susan's disappearance. It kinda dynamited what they were trying to do, but those of us trying to put the puzzle together, didn't give in to the pressure.

 

[laytonian]

Interesting details on police investigations into the Powell theory:

Phone records were checked and cross-checked. Neither person called the other or called anyone the other called.

Best friends and family — the closest confidants of the missing persons — were interviewed and re-interviewed. No one suggested either Susan or Steven was seeing anyone else.

The only verifiable time Steven Koecher was anywhere near the Powell's home was for a volleyball game in West Valley City with friends on Thanksgiving Day, Nov. 26, 2009, a week and a half before Susan Powell disappeared, after which he returned to his parents' home in Bountiful.

The police departments in the respective jurisdictions have met and shared all their evidence and found nothing.

Source: Deseret News, Dec 8, 2010.
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BBM

I know (via kiddie-level Google search) the WVC address that Steven visited on Thanksgiving, 2009 -- and while it is within WVC, it's miles away AND it's several LDS churches away.

 

[laytonian]

<modsnip>. Common sense didn't tell anyone or the guy in LV that his wife who was found months later...could be located within the same house he was residing, under piles of hoarding.

I'm sorry, but that's not at all true.

Not only did LVPD take dogs through the home four times, but at least one of her friends stated on the "missing" FB page that she had tried to tell people where BJJ was.

CLICK HERE and then go down to the comment by NJJ dated August 25 at 4:48pm.

I think it's admirable that people respected Billie Jean James' privacy while she was missing.
It's too bad that some of the people who should care most about finding Susan Powell don't have that same sense of morality and honor.

 

[laytonian]

I am going to disagree with you on that one holly because I believe common sense absolutely would dictate that she was buried in that house somewhere. There is no way he or LE could have cleared the house with the amount of clutter. Cadaver dogs and scent dogs couldnt do anything with the amount of decay. Seeing as how LE searched it 4 times, clearly they did not clear the home as a possible location either.

I actually drove by Billie Jean James' home last Sunday, and I can tell you that there STILL are trucks and dumpsters there -- visible from the freeway!

 

[TallCoolOne]

On that note, after reading what Josh and his family posted about his wife's family, if I saw Josh on fire on the side of the road I wouldn't piss down his throat to put him out.

I toned that down for the forum, my true feelings are much stronger.

And that's why we love you adnoid!

So, tell us how you really feel.........

 

[hollyblue]

Interesting details on police investigations into the Powell theory:

Phone records were checked and cross-checked. Neither person called the other or called anyone the other called.

Best friends and family &#8212; the closest confidants of the missing persons &#8212; were interviewed and re-interviewed. No one suggested either Susan or Steven was seeing anyone else.

The only verifiable time Steven Koecher was anywhere near the Powell's home was for a volleyball game in West Valley City with friends on Thanksgiving Day, Nov. 26, 2009, a week and a half before Susan Powell disappeared, after which he returned to his parents' home in Bountiful.

The police departments in the respective jurisdictions have met and shared all their evidence and found nothing.

Source: Deseret News, Dec 8, 2010.
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BBM

I know (via kiddie-level Google search) the WVC address that Steven visited on Thanksgiving, 2009 -- and while it is within WVC, it's miles away AND it's several LDS churches away.

I'm not seeing anything quoted by the police in the article regarding the phone calls....and I find it questionable whether LE crossed checked every person SK or SP called. Did they really review all of those people's phone records? Somehow find that hard to believe. BIG if true here, but if so, what time period?


" No one suggested either Susan or Steven was seeing anyone else."

Were they asked? It doesn't say.

From the article also: But there isn't one scintilla of tangible evidence.

I'm no fan of JP or SP, but in keeping things honest, the same can be said for evidence against JP.

It's also fairly obvious the reporter has picked and chosen what info he decided to report on.....and would bet he did little of investigative reporting before the article. Clearly biased and nothing more than his opinion.

"You wonder what's next: breaking news on O.J.'s latest theories on who killed Nicole?"

Clearly an adolescent note of sarcasm to sling---why add it? Surely not for literalness.

"It's a scenario that transforms Susan and Steven from victims into cheats and crooks."

Seed planting.........just because someone has a theory does not make them judgemental. I'd much rather find SK & SP together somewhere than to find a corpse of either one. Maybe this reporter would rather the latter be true than to admit that SK & SP are human. That's incredibly sad.


West Valley City police say they're still investigating Susan's disappearance and they're not discussing details such as whether they investigated a connection to Koecher's disappearance.

Hmmmmm.

Tuesday December 07, 2010 03:30 PM EST

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20447539,00.html

ETA: Rolf Koecher, Steven's father, said St. George police detectives indicated to him that Susan's family had asked the department to look for any link between the two cases. He told the Deseret News that while he has personally dismissed the notion his family is open to any investigation.
http://www.examiner.com/headlines-i...josh-powell-s-use-of-rental-car-possible-link

 

[laytonian]

Clearly. I could state that I believe they were both taken by alien spacecraft to the planet Zatos, and insist that if my suspicions were not investigated the authorities are doing a bad job. After all, there is nothing we know of in the evidence that could prove this did NOT happen. True, we would have to add in a few things, like the existence of alien spacecraft, but if we're treating every theory as equally likely that's no more a stretch than taking the position that two people who we cannot show even knew of each other's existence ran off and hid together.

I remember some people who were throwing out the theory that Laci Peterson took off with her yoga instructor and that Scott wasn't Conner's father - and how much that will hurt the family every time they come across it from now until the end of human existence. I try to be mindful of that when I post. I don't always succeed, of course.

Like Lee Benson said in his Deseret News article (HERE):

"For obvious reasons, both Susan Powell's and Steven Koecher's families have expressed dismay at the National Enquirer-like headlines generated by the Josh Powell rumor mill. It would be excusable if there were a scintilla of tangible evidence to support the claims of Josh and his father that Susan and Steven dumped their lives and families &#8212; including the children Susan adored &#8212; to escape to a love nest in the rain forest.

But there isn't one scintilla of tangible evidence."​

"National Enquirer", for sure. Maybe that's what separates the logical from the sensational rumor-mongering.

 

[hollyblue]

Like Lee Benson said in his Deseret News article (HERE):

"For obvious reasons, both Susan Powell's and Steven Koecher's families have expressed dismay at the National Enquirer-like headlines generated by the Josh Powell rumor mill. It would be excusable if there were a scintilla of tangible evidence to support the claims of Josh and his father that Susan and Steven dumped their lives and families &#8212; including the children Susan adored &#8212; to escape to a love nest in the rain forest.

But there isn't one scintilla of tangible evidence."
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"National Enquirer", for sure. Maybe that's what separates the logical from the sensational rumor-mongering.

The headlines were generated by it's rival newspaper, not by the story itself. It was just this reporter's way of sticking a pin in the Trib.

It's a shame that Lee Benson took on specific allegations that could not be backed up with quotes from LE. Why not take them all on and try to quash them all?

While many feel it's a rumor mill, I presented facts in my theory. Whether someone wants to ignore them and make things up and push round pegs in square holes or jam puzzle pieces into place in order to fill a gap...that's up to the individual reviewing them. But.... as Adnoid said...the truth remains.

And yes, if a reported space ship had landed in SLC around the days SCP had gone missing....you can bet I would have been looking at that also; unfortunately, there was not, but yet proof, that in fact, SK had.

<modsnip:no link>

All jmo

 

[darlin gal]

Both the Koecher and Cox families have dismissed the idea as nonsense.
http://www.kcsg.com/view/full_story...ar-?instance=home_first_stories#ixzz181Fxc2Rn ​

Late Sunday, the Koecher family, who live in Bountiful, issued a statement focusing on the facts of their son's case. They listed 11 points why Steven and Susan did not run off together.

Read more: KCSG Television - Koecher Family Marks Anniversary of Utah Man Missing for one Year ​

http://assets.matchbin.com/secure/8...be0/sites/990/assets/3T57_Powell_Rebuttal.pdf

 

[laytonian]

11 Reasons Susan Powell and Steven Koecher did not run off together.

Note that Item #1 confirms that LE *did* review all phone records.
Months ago.

Why some continue to refute the results of actual police investigations, and pretend that they did not occur, only leads to one conclusion: they have a vested interest in the outcome of the Powell case.

Obviously, both families would have been thrilled to find that "scintilla" of evidence linking the two -- but it does not exist.

At this one year mark, isn't it time to drop the foolishness, JP?
It has become obvious you and your associates are here.

 

[Montjoy]

While many feel it's a rumor mill, I presented facts in my theory. Whether someone wants to ignore them and make things up and push round pegs in square holes or jam puzzle pieces into place in order to fill a gap...that's up to the individual reviewing them. But.... as Adnoid said...the truth remains.

'Facts' are not meaningful on their own -- they require a context to be significant. Saying that both SK and SP are Mormon, of similar age, and disappeared at a similar time may be a statement of fact, but those facts aren't significant in pointing to them disappearing together, especially in light of all of the other facts that are known. The theory is implausible, insupportable in any meaningful way, dismissed by LE (after due diligence), and hurtful to the families involved. So why would anyone keep championing it?

 

[Jacie Estes]

11 Reasons Susan Powell and Steven Koecher did not run off together.

Note that Item #1 confirms that LE *did* review all phone records.
Months ago.

Why some continue to refute the results of actual police investigations, and pretend that they did not occur, only leads to one conclusion: they have a vested interest in the outcome of the Powell case.

Obviously, both families would have been thrilled to find that "scintilla" of evidence linking the two -- but it does not exist.

At this one year mark, isn't it time to drop the foolishness, JP?
It has become obvious you and your associates are here.

SOME people prefer to craft stories, much like 5th rate 'songs', that go nowhere. jp, rather than speak to LE, would sit at the knee of the chantrey and engorge himself with coulda, shoulda, woulda. He doesn't have to be the responsible man; he is once again the scared little kid.

Stockholm syndrome anyone?

There is word that jp was seen at a 'local bar and grill'. Searching for another Susan? Mothers and fathers beware! Those who thought that jp would never be in a strip club, think again. IMHO

 

[laytonian]

'Facts' are not meaningful on their own -- they require a context to be significant. Saying that both SK and SP are Mormon, of similar age, and disappeared at a similar time may be a statement of fact, but those facts aren't significant in pointing to them disappearing together, especially in light of all of the other facts that are known. The theory is implausible, insupportable in any meaningful way, dismissed by LE (after due diligence), and hurtful to the families involved. So why would anyone keep championing it?

Why?

1 - To purposely harm the innocent families of the missing people.
2 - To pollute a jury pool.
3 - To create a basis for pay-per-click "news" stories. A recent one clumsily misspelled the name of Steven's mother, after the non-journalist bothered her at home!

In other words: $$$ and/or a total lack of ethics and morality.

 

[Jacie Estes]

'Facts' are not meaningful on their own -- they require a context to be significant. Saying that both SK and SP are Mormon, of similar age, and disappeared at a similar time may be a statement of fact, but those facts aren't significant in pointing to them disappearing together, especially in light of all of the other facts that are known. The theory is implausible, insupportable in any meaningful way, dismissed by LE (after due diligence), and hurtful to the families involved. So why would anyone keep championing it?

The headlines were generated by it's rival newspaper, not by the story itself. It was just this reporter's way of sticking a pin in the Trib.

It's a shame that Lee Benson took on specific allegations that could not be backed up with quotes from LE. Why not take them all on and try to quash them all?

While many feel it's a rumor mill, I presented facts in my theory. Whether someone wants to ignore them and make things up and push round pegs in square holes or jam puzzle pieces into place in order to fill a gap...that's up to the individual reviewing them. But.... as Adnoid said...the truth remains.

And yes, if a reported space ship had landed in SLC around the days SCP had gone missing....you can bet I would have been looking at that also; unfortunately, there was not, but yet proof, that in fact, SK had.

On another note, why didn't the day care owner mention to Jennifer and her mother that she had a key to SCP & JP's house when she called to report the children did not show up nor could she contact either parent? Surely they discussed going to the house to check on them and could have provided the key in a possible emergency. Yet, we never found this fact out until just lately. I had always wondered if anyone else had a key to their residence...and I had even ask Kirk here on WS what types of locks the two exterior doors had....but did not get a reply.

All jmo

BBM
Do you have a link for this?

 

[kimbob]

Originally posted by Holleyblue "On another note, why didn't the day care owner mention to Jennifer and her mother that she had a key to SCP & JP's house when she called to report the children did not show up nor could she contact either parent? Surely they discussed going to the house to check on them and could have provided the key in a possible emergency. Yet, we never found this fact out until just lately. I had always wondered if anyone else had a key to their residence...and I had even ask Kirk here on WS what types of locks the two exterior doors had....but did not get a reply."

All jmo[/QUOTE]

Hollyblue--Where have you heard that the day care owner had a key to SCP and JP's house? I've never seen that anywhere on any discussion boards or in any articles.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Originally posted by Holleyblue "On another note, why didn't the day care owner mention to Jennifer and her mother that she had a key to SCP & JP's house when she called to report the children did not show up nor could she contact either parent? Surely they discussed going to the house to check on them and could have provided the key in a possible emergency. Yet, we never found this fact out until just lately. I had always wondered if anyone else had a key to their residence...and I had even ask Kirk here on WS what types of locks the two exterior doors had....but did not get a reply."

All jmo

Hollyblue--Where have you heard that the day care owner had a key to SCP and JP's house? I've never seen that anywhere on any discussion boards or in any articles.[/QUOTE]

This should be interesting.

:xmastree: :Banane49: :xmastree: sorry couldn't resist

 

[kimbob]

It's pretty amazing how similar Susan's case is to Kelly Morris. I just read all the WS posts and newspaper articles. Lady has troubled marriage, 2 kids, disappears, husband doesn't lift a finger to search, clams up, becomes POI. But eventually she was found, husband awaits trial, and there's a possibility his dad helped in a cover-up.

Moral of the story: Don't ever give up searching, the truth will come forward. hey, Powells, are you reading this??

 

[kimbob]

Also, in sort of an answer to HollyBlue's suggestion that the day care lady had a key to Susan's house, nobody seems to be able to find a statement from an official source to support that. Plus, the day care lady was on the scene when the police came to check on the house. They had to break a window to get in. If she had a key she would have gotten in herself or would have given the key to the police.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Also, in sort of an answer to HollyBlue's suggestion that the day care lady had a key to Susan's house, nobody seems to be able to find a statement from an official source to support that. Plus, the day care lady was on the scene when the police came to check on the house. They had to break a window to get in. If she had a key she would have gotten in herself or would have given the key to the police.

BBM

Exactly, there would have been no need to break a window..