New Website on Ramsey case

[Brefie]

The case has been debated ad nauseum. When you take the totality of the evidence, there's no doubt it was an intruder, and the possibilities are endless, considering the the public visibility of the family that month and the easy accessbility into the home if someone got an idea.

No doubt? Where the evidence? I hope I am not going to read about that tiny tiny piece that may have come from a friend of a friend.

What's your take on why the Ramsey's would not sit for an interview for four months?

Why were tons of Patsy's fibers all over JBR (DUCT TAPE and in the garrotte)and yet only a miniscule piece of dna from an unknown source??

 

[tipper]

The part I have bolded is a little contradictory. You start by saying that nobody here know what they have been advised to do re a website. Then continue in your next sentence to be the only one speculating on what they may have been advised.

You are also assuming that people want to spew venom at them. I think you are being a little to quick to jump the gun. To say the least. ME? I want to see more effort from the Ramseys. I want a website. I want contact information on that website. You bet your boots if they did, it would be one less thing for me to 'spew' about them. However, if the contact information shows that all tips and info go through the Ramseys first, before LE you can also bet your boots I will be posting (i.e.spewing venom) on here (not directly at them) like it's going out of fashion.

The last part of your post is just just plain insulting and downright mean.

Quick to jump the gun?

Found through Google.
self-righteous Ratsy and John

(john and ratsy rammer)

Phatsy gets indicted AND the croud goes wild. Screams of glee, tears of joy and

Phatsy Ramsey as the Wicked Witch of the West

Priscilla looks to be petite, much smaller than Phatsy

"Daddy's Little Hooker

Forums For Justice - John Scamsey on Today Show NOW

That's why I call him deLOUsional

Not to mention the death threats and weirdos coming to their house.

I have no idea why they have chosen not to have a website but do you really think someone is suddenly going to see a family-run JBR website say "Oh THAT JonBenet Ramsey! If only I'd known her PARENTS still wanted to know who killed her I have contacted someone long ago."

 

[Brefie]

While I have never seen anyone use those words used first hand, I am sure it happened.
But again - way too quick to jump the gun. - I have never used those terms for a Ramsey and I do not believe I am alone.

As for the DeLOUsional - that's totally harmless. And Self righteous??? Right on the money, IMO.

 

[JBRMod2]

While I have never seen anyone use those words used first hand, I am sure it happened.
But again - way too quick to jump the gun. - I have never used those terms for a Ramsey and I do not believe I am alone.

As for the DeLOUsional - that's totally harmless. And Self righteous??? Right on the money, IMO.

While I have never seen anyone use those words used first hand, I am sure it happened.
But again - way too quick to jump the gun. - I have never used those terms for a Ramsey and I do not believe I am alone.

As for the DeLOUsional - that's totally harmless. And Self righteous??? Right on the money, IMO.

It may have happened, but it doesn't happen here and Tipper should edit her post to make that clear or find it deleted. I searched for the words which Tipper has used as examples of venom and they do not appear to be on this thread or any current WS threads for that matter. I found some old posts containing the words but they were mostly discussing the names as insults used elsewhere. One old post contained a word as an insult but it was made by a poster who was banned from here.

This is not a forum which tolerates vile posts from any poster - regardless of their opinion in the Ramsey case.

 

[Maikai]

No doubt? Where the evidence? I hope I am not going to read about that tiny tiny piece that may have come from a friend of a friend.

What's your take on why the Ramsey's would not sit for an interview for four months?

Why were tons of Patsy's fibers all over JBR (DUCT TAPE and in the garrotte)and yet only a miniscule piece of dna from an unknown source??

I won't go into the evidence---it's out there in Lou Smit's theory, item by item, and some not ever made public. There were not "tons" of fibers from Patsy on the duct tape---that's a Steve Thomas/BPD fabrication. They never explained where the dog hairs came from. Barry Scheck has said the DNA is a problem--people were excluded because of the DNA. The BPD can't have it both ways.

The attorneys were running things in the beginning---and if you've ever consulted an attorney on anything, they tell you to clam up. A mistake, I think--since Eller's was looking to be the hero. Neither side was willing to compromise on the interviews--which is too bad.

You can blame the Ramseys for any number of things---the pageants, the show of wealth in the house, Patsy wearing makeup, JR being involved in hi-tech, the lax attitude towards home security--even the layout in the house. Something attracted the perp to them, and targeted JBR. For that matter why not blame the producers of Ransom---or Mel Gibson for playing the lead? What I think was the inspiration for the plan.

I do think the murder was an accident---the plan may even have started out as a bad joke......but the person that thought of it does not think like most of us--thus the reason you can't apply logic to the motive.

 

[tipper]

It may have happened, but it doesn't happen here and Tipper should edit her post to make that clear or find it deleted. I searched for the words which Tipper has used as examples of venom and they do not appear to be on this thread or any current WS threads for that matter. I found some old posts containing the words but they were mostly discussing the names as insults used elsewhere. One old post contained a word as an insult but it was made by a poster who was banned from here.

This is not a forum which tolerates vile posts from any poster - regardless of their opinion in the Ramsey case.

I wasn't suggesting they were found here nor were we discussing WS in particular. I have edited my post to say they were found through Google.

 

[capps]

No doubt? Where the evidence? I hope I am not going to read about that tiny tiny piece that may have come from a friend of a friend.

What's your take on why the Ramsey's would not sit for an interview for four months?

Why were tons of Patsy's fibers all over JBR (DUCT TAPE and in the garrotte)and yet only a miniscule piece of dna from an unknown source??

Brefie,

I will have to look this up again,but I don't believe it is a fact that the fibers were Patsy's. I believe it was stated,the fibers were consistant with the fibers on Patsy's sweater. The fibers were a certain color and type that was common in clothing for that time of season/weather,and could have been worn by anyone.I don't think the fiber was so unique to be pinned to only Patsy.

 

[tipper]

No doubt? Where the evidence? I hope I am not going to read about that tiny tiny piece that may have come from a friend of a friend.

What's your take on why the Ramsey's would not sit for an interview for four months?

Why were tons of Patsy's fibers all over JBR (DUCT TAPE and in the garrotte)and yet only a miniscule piece of dna from an unknown source??

Didn't the Ramseys called about sitting down for an interview when they returned from the Atlanta funeral and were told by BPD the time for that had passed?

Why didn't Dave Westerfield leave any fingerprints or DNA?

I don't know about "tons" of Patsy's fibers. There were a few red fibers but we haven't seen the lab report on them. There were unmatched brown fibers located in a number of places, not to mention the beaver hairs that didn't show up anywhere else in the house.
http://www.acandyrose.com/03312003carnes11-20.htm

Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF 181; PSMF 181. )

 

[capps]

Quote by Tricia,
"Someday, someone, someone very big and well known, will write the real truth on the case. I can feel it."

Tricia,

Can you give us a hint of maybe who you think that might be? ... Initials maybe?
Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[Jayelles]

Didn't the Ramseys called about sitting down for an interview when they returned from the Atlanta funeral and were told by BPD the time for that had passed?

Why didn't Dave Westerfield leave any fingerprints or DNA?

I don't know about "tons" of Patsy's fibers. There were a few red fibers but we haven't seen the lab report on them. There were unmatched brown fibers located in a number of places, not to mention the beaver hairs that didn't show up anywhere else in the house.
http://www.acandyrose.com/03312003carnes11-20.htm

Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF 181; PSMF 181. )

David Westerfield was "in and out" of the vanDam house. We know his time frame had to be pretty short. I personally believe he went in after Brenda thinking that Damon was away and found himself in Danielle's room. I think she wakened up and had to be silenced. OTOH, the Ramseys, jameson, Lou Smit etc claim that JonBenet's killer spent hours in the Ramsey home - lying in wait, writing a ransom note and familiarising himself with the rambling maze of a house.

We know from the vanDam case that fibre science is not an exact one - but that they have a lot of specialised equipment which performs complicated analyses on fibres. They can tell a lot from fibres. They will never say "exact match" though - only "consistent with". However, when they say "consistent with", they are usually pretty certain it's a good match.

 

[narlacat]

Sissi, you have always been so sweet and very easy to get along with. Even though we are on different sides of the fence I respect you and I am glad you are at WS.

As far as writing a book, it's just not in future. I like what I do with the websites and other projects.

Someday, someone, someone very big and well known, will write the real truth on the case. I can feel it.

I always enjoy Sissi's posts too.
Even though I post my amazement at you Sissi, for not seeing the same things I do regarding Ramsey lies, I am always impressed with how you conduct yourself and the little tid bits you manage to find and provide links for.
I wish I had your level of tolerance and patience.

 

[Nehemiah]

I do appreciate the fact that WS does not allow name calling. Probably none of us knows for sure who killed JB; therefore, it is all opinion and what we see viewed through our own interpretations/experiences. That's what I like about WS...we can agree to disagree w/out pettiness. Thanks, JBR Mod.

 

[narlacat]

QUOTE>>The Boulder Police blew it the first day and the coroner missed the stun gun marks which could have sent the investigation in another direction<<

There is no evidence that a stun gun was used in this crime.
The only way that the stun gun theory could be proven to be correct is if JonBenet's body was exhumed.
It wasn't and too much time has passed for that to happen now.

 

[LinasK]

Well, I think John did it, but Patsy wrote the note and helped cover it up! Rich men do sexually molest their daughters, Patsy routinely had her dress up with full make-up and red lipstick like a minature woman. I think John pulled the garrote too tight while he was sexually abusing her and then they needed to make sure she was dead, so she was bludgeoned. John purposely contaminated the crime scene IMO when he carried her upstairs in the blanket. An intruder would not have re-dressed JBR.

 

[Brefie]

Well, I think John did it, but Patsy wrote the note and helped cover it up! Rich men do sexually molest their daughters, Patsy routinely had her dress up with full make-up and red lipstick like a minature woman. I think John pulled the garrote too tight while he was sexually abusing her and then they needed to make sure she was dead, so she was bludgeoned. John purposely contaminated the crime scene IMO when he carried her upstairs in the blanket. An intruder would not have re-dressed JBR.

Although I am STRONGLY against pageants, I believe that no matter how a 6 year old dresses, if you are healthy of mind - you will not be attracted to a child.

Don't matter what you dress a child in - a decent man will not waiver in his decency.

 

[LinasK]

Don't matter what you dress a child in - a decent man will not waiver in his decency.

True, and I agree with you about pageants. I'm not even comfortable with the fashion show my daughter was in. A decent man will not waiver in his decency with grown women either. I didn't mean to say that rape victims deserve it based on how they dress, sorry if I conveyed that, but JBR had no choice, Patsy entered her in those pageants and hand selected her costumes/outfits.

 

[scandi]

I just saw an ad for CTV, that tonight there is a special on Jon Benet and they will tell who killed her.

Is this an old show? Breaking news?




Scandi

 

[Brefie]

True, and I agree with you about pageants. I'm not even comfortable with the fashion show my daughter was in. A decent man will not waiver in his decency with grown women either. I didn't mean to say that rape victims deserve it based on how they dress, sorry if I conveyed that, but JBR had no choice, Patsy entered her in those pageants and hand selected her costumes/outfits.

Oh, no, I didn't think for a second that you meant that. Now, I'm sorry if it seemed that way. :doh: I was just responding to your post that said John may have been molesting her and then pointed out that Patsy always had her trussed up. It was just an observation that it wouldn't matter how she were dressed if the man were not a pedophile. Just as it wouldn't matter how she were dressed if the man were a pedophile. OF course it's probably some pedophiles sick fantasy, but not a requirement.

Sorry, again, for the confusion!

 

[Maikai]

Although I am STRONGLY against pageants, I believe that no matter how a 6 year old dresses, if you are healthy of mind - you will not be attracted to a child.

Don't matter what you dress a child in - a decent man will not waiver in his decency.

Patsy has stated in an interview there's things she would have done different, had she known about the sick perverts out there. She was naive when it came to the possibility that JBR might attract the wrong person's attention.

I was in Denver when the first newscasts came out that JBR was found dead in the house---probably didn't get as much attention in other parts of the country at the time. Early on though, they highlighted that JBR had been Little Miss Colorado. Pageant photos soon followed. Pageant participation in Boulder would have been highly noticeable--moreso than in the south. Remember, Boulder is a place where a lot of women don't wear makeup, don't dye their hair, and don't dress in designer clothes.

JBR could have been targeted by a sadistic pedophile. I tend to think she was targeted because she was seen as a beloved child who was doted upon, and the perp thought John Ramsey would pay and not call the police if the note was scary enough. Just because JBR was found dead in the house, doesn't mean extortion wasn't the motive.....it means the perp was an amateur in kidnapping and blew it. If truly revenge, then the perp knew her death would be devastating....but JR was in the house sleeping, and accessible to the perp. Revenge is "usually" taken out on the person the vendetta is against.

 

[LinasK]

Patsy has stated in an interview there's things she would have done different, had she known about the sick perverts out there. She was naive when it came to the possibility that JBR might attract the wrong person's attention.

I was in Denver when the first newscasts came out that JBR was found dead in the house---probably didn't get as much attention in other parts of the country at the time. Early on though, they highlighted that JBR had been Little Miss Colorado. Pageant photos soon followed. Pageant participation in Boulder would have been highly noticeable--moreso than in the south. Remember, Boulder is a place where a lot of women don't wear makeup, don't dye their hair, and don't dress in designer clothes.

JBR could have been targeted by a sadistic pedophile. I tend to think she was targeted because she was seen as a beloved child who was doted upon, and the perp thought John Ramsey would pay and not call the police if the note was scary enough. Just because JBR was found dead in the house, doesn't mean extortion wasn't the motive.....it means the perp was an amateur in kidnapping and blew it. If truly revenge, then the perp knew her death would be devastating....but JR was in the house sleeping, and accessible to the perp. Revenge is "usually" taken out on the person the vendetta is against.

Yeah, but then why would the perv settle on $118,000 for the ransom- the exact amount of John's Bonus and I've heard there is a religious reference to the 118 number, a psalm perhaps??? The Ramsey's are religious.