New Website on Ramsey case

[BlueCrab]

JBR could have been targeted by a sadistic pedophile. I tend to think she was targeted because she was seen as a beloved child who was doted upon, and the perp thought John Ramsey would pay and not call the police if the note was scary enough. Just because JBR was found dead in the house, doesn't mean extortion wasn't the motive.....it means the perp was an amateur in kidnapping and blew it. If truly revenge, then the perp knew her death would be devastating....but JR was in the house sleeping, and accessible to the perp. Revenge is "usually" taken out on the person the vendetta is against.

Maikai,

Why then would the Ramseys be lying their heads off, obfuscating, and covering up to protect the identity of a sadistic pedophile whom they don't even know?

There was no intruder. A Ramsey is involved in the death of JonBenet.

 

[Nehemiah]

I tend to think she was targeted because she was seen as a beloved child who was doted upon, and the perp thought John Ramsey would pay and not call the police if the note was scary enough. Just because JBR was found dead in the house, doesn't mean extortion wasn't the motive.....it means the perp was an amateur in kidnapping and blew it.

Why in the world ask for such a miniscule amount of money if extortion were the motive?

 

[Brefie]

Patsy has stated in an interview there's things she would have done different, had she known about the sick perverts out there. She was naive when it came to the possibility that JBR might attract the wrong person's attention.

Had Patsy known about what sick perverts? Like the ones who murdered JonBenet? I don't believe it for a second. And let's face it, the world has always been full of pedophiles - long before JonBenet starting participating in pagaents. For anyone to think it was a revelation to Patsy is falling right into her plan, IMO. One thing Patsy is certainly not is naive.

Anyhow, my view about JonBenet in those pagaents has little to do with perverts and more to do with not dressing a 5/6 yr old in those clothes with the hair and make up for ANY reason.

How about teaching a child about more important things that outer beauty??
How about enrolling her into a foreign language class instead of teaching her to dance provocatively?

Didn't she blow kisses and wink? Perhaps I am wrong about that........

 

[Brefie]

I tend to think she was targeted because she was seen as a beloved child who was doted upon, and the perp thought John Ramsey would pay and not call the police if the note was scary enough. Just because JBR was found dead in the house, doesn't mean extortion wasn't the motive.....it means the perp was an amateur in kidnapping and blew it.

Why in the world ask for such a miniscule amount of money if extortion were the motive?

It has been suggested on another thread, that perhaps they knew this amount would be acessed quickly and easily. I am sorry, I forget who I should give credit to for this....

 

[Wuschel]

I'd like to say a word or two on the Pro-Ramsey-side:

Can those of you who criticize the Ramsey's for not pursueing the case anymore after nine years imagine that there is only so and so much suffering a person can take? As heartless as it may seem, but I think the human mind and body are set to survival...even if something terrible happened. And that includes moving on after some time and NOT spending every waking minute anymore contemplating about the murder. This is called self-protection. It is human nature.

With that in mind, I think it is very human that the crime this is not on their minds 24/7. If it is true what I have read on another thread, Patsy is indeed fighting for survival.

I can also imagine that they console themselves - being religious and all - with the fact that The Lord knows who did it and that that person will be punished in the life afterwards.

I have not altogether made my mind up if a Ramsey was involved or not, but as of now, I am still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see things from their point of view.

Wuschel

 

[Brefie]

I'd like to say a word or two on the Pro-Ramsey-side:

Can those of you who criticize the Ramsey's for not pursueing the case anymore after nine years imagine that there is only so and so much suffering a person can take? As heartless as it may seem, but I think the human mind and body are set to survival...even if something terrible happened. And that includes moving on after some time and NOT spending every waking minute anymore contemplating about the murder. This is called self-protection. It is human nature.
Wuschel

No, I can't. I am sorry. I believe the love a mother has for her child is all consuming. I can only compare it with the love I have for my parents, as I am childless - I still believe it is not the same thing - perhaps I am wrong. God forbid my mother was brutally murdered, I cannot imagine a scenario where I would EVER give up pursuing the perp. JMO.

 

[Shanny]

I think that people have forgotten about JonBenet it's been almost 9 years and the case has no been solved!
John and Patsy seem to not even care that a killer is out there, they seem to have moved on, it seems everyone has moved on with there lives and JonBenet is just another ordinary everyday murder case.
No one is looking for the killer
Burke has moved on and went to college, he is living his life while is sister is laying 6 feet under with no justice for her.

 

[tipper]

10 years after this hypothetical murder of your mother/child, what specifically are you doing to solve it? If all interviews/fingerprints/DNA have been processed without a hit, what do you do to further your case on a day to day basis?

 

[tipper]

It has been suggested on another thread, that perhaps they knew this amount would be acessed quickly and easily. I am sorry, I forget who I should give credit to for this....

It's been suggested a number of times over the years. One of the reasons LHP and her family came under suspicion was she could have easily seen the amount on his paystubs and talked about it at home.

 

[tipper]

Had Patsy known about what sick perverts? Like the ones who murdered JonBenet? I don't believe it for a second. And let's face it, the world has always been full of pedophiles - long before JonBenet starting participating in pagaents. For anyone to think it was a revelation to Patsy is falling right into her plan, IMO. One thing Patsy is certainly not is naive.

Anyhow, my view about JonBenet in those pagaents has little to do with perverts and more to do with not dressing a 5/6 yr old in those clothes with the hair and make up for ANY reason.

How about teaching a child about more important things that outer beauty??
How about enrolling her into a foreign language class instead of teaching her to dance provocatively?

Didn't she blow kisses and wink? Perhaps I am wrong about that........

I think Patsy lived in a rose-colored world and never considered she or her family was vulnerable to this kind of crime.

Didn't JonBenet take some french lessons as well as violin. I vaguely remember an interview where John said something about wanting to introduce them to a broad variety of things.

 

[Brefie]

I think Patsy lived in a rose-colored world and never considered she or her family was vulnerable to this kind of crime.

Didn't JonBenet take some french lessons as well as violin. I vaguely remember an interview where John said something about wanting to introduce them to a broad variety of things.

Well if she did, Tipper, that's great. I am not one of those who believes a Ramsey never did anything right.

Also, my point is regardless of ANY criminals - there is just no excuse for dressing a 6 yr old that way.

 

[sharpar]

It's been suggested a number of times over the years. One of the reasons LHP and her family came under suspicion was she could have easily seen the amount on his paystubs and talked about it at home.

So you kidnap her on a national holiday when banks and other institutions are closed and getting any large amount of money is going to be difficult ?

One of the many reasons I believe this was an inside job - a Ramsey did it !

 

[tipper]

So you kidnap her on a national holiday when banks and other institutions are closed and getting any large amount of money is going to be difficult ?

One of the many reasons I believe this was an inside job - a Ramsey did it !

Banks are open on the 26th and as I recall John Ramsey arranged for the money but when they went to pick it up they weren't allowed to take it because the tellers were still recording the serial numbers.

 

[Brefie]

10 years after this hypothetical murder of your mother/child, what specifically are you doing to solve it? If all interviews/fingerprints/DNA have been processed without a hit, what do you do to further your case on a day to day basis?

Hold a press conference every year on her birthday - I am sure some press would be there - especially after all this time - their first would def. be a success in terms of press turn out.

They are doing nothing now and never have done, IMO.

 

[sharpar]

Banks are open on the 26th and as I recall John Ramsey arranged for the money but when they went to pick it up they weren't allowed to take it because the tellers were still recording the serial numbers.

The RN note said something to the effect that they would call at 10 am
and if the money was together earlier - earlier release. Most banks dont open until 9 AM not alot of time to get $118,000.00 dollars in cash in specific demonitions. How would rep of a foreign faction know John would be able to
get the money that quickly ? Just one of the hundred things that just doesnt seem right !

 

[narlacat]

I think Patsy lived in a rose-colored world and never considered she or her family was vulnerable to this kind of crime.

Didn't JonBenet take some french lessons as well as violin. I vaguely remember an interview where John said something about wanting to introduce them to a broad variety of things.

JonBenet could not speak french or any other language. That is just another one of Patsy's lies.
As Why-Nutt has pointed out before, being able to sing "Frere Jacques" is not the same thing as taking French lessons.

 

[Eagle1]

Some bullies out there would certainly consider her an overachiever, trying to do all that at age six, still having time to play with her little friends and ride her bike. And with her allergies and frequent infections, no wonder she may have been a little irritable at times.

About the Psalm and the $118,000, have we ever discussed which of JR's employers decided on this amount for his bonus, and possible reasons why?

If there really was a connection to a Psalm, didn't it have to be known way back then? Why would such an exec be thinking about a Psalm?

I'm surprised that even Father Rol knew about such an obscure Psalm, most of us never heard of in our lives. It's not something that's taught in chruches. Who would have unearthed it and put it into that exec's head, then maybe also pointed it out to the perp or perps? Wasn't an open Bible one of the apparently-planted evidences?

I've bookmarked the new site, btw, can't wait for it to get started. For now it just says something like "Coming Soon". This case is just more interesting than all the other unsolved ones, for some reason we haven't yet been able to define.

 

[Wuschel]

10 years after this hypothetical murder of your mother/child, what specifically are you doing to solve it? If all interviews/fingerprints/DNA have been processed without a hit, what do you do to further your case on a day to day basis?

Tipper, I absolutely agree with you there. I wanted to add this to my above post but could not find the words as well as you did.

Of course no one "forgets" about the murder of your child, but keeping it in your mind and heart every day for years as fresh as on the day it happened is likely to kill any person...no one can deal with that much pain.

You need to forget some of it or more likely let it slip in the background of your life. That does not mean that the pain is altogether gone or that you have forgotten about your child. I know that parents never forget about their child's death.

Wuschel

 

[tipper]

JonBenet could not speak french or any other language. That is just another one of Patsy's lies.
As Why-Nutt has pointed out before, being able to sing "Frere Jacques" is not the same thing as taking French lessons.

Who said she could speak French? As I have pointed out before when my eldest son was in kindergarten his class had what the school billed as German lessons. In reality it consisted of someone's German grandmother coming in and teaching the kids to count and sing some German songs. I suspect JonBenet had something similar. As far as the violin goes she was probably caught up in the Suzuki wave that passed through the country.

My point was for Brefie who thought she did nothing but the pageants. Even ST thought she had a "normal" childhood which included playing, getting dirty and doing all the things kids do.

Added:
Thank you Wuschel. What you say is borne out by the statements of people who have had a loved one murdered.

 

[Brefie]

My point was for Brefie who thought she did nothing but the pageants. Even ST thought she had a "normal" childhood which included playing, getting dirty and doing all the things kids do.

Nowhere did I say she did nothing but pageants. My point was there are a million other 'useful' things to do with a 6 yr olds time and efforts than teach her that she isn't good enough the way she looks naturally.