GUILTY New Zealand - Dr. Lauren Dickason, 40, charged w/killing her 3 young daughters, Timaru, 16 Sep 2021

[kiwi50]

Family of griefstricken dad to arrive today.
Timaru triple tragedy: Scene exam finished, family of griefstricken dad to arrive in NZ today - NZ Herald

 

[airportwoman]

They're grief-stricken as well.

 

[investikater]

Does it include her side of the family?

 

[kiwi50]

Does it include her side of the family?

I don’t know, but I certainly hope it does.

 

[alexwood]

Timaru triple tragedy: Scene exam finished, family of griefstricken dad to arrive in NZ today - NZ Herald

"A relative of the man who arrived home to find his three children dead last week - allegedly at the hands of their mother - will arrive in New Zealand today to support him."

It appears to be only one relative, of the husband, according to the article. I'm sure that quarantine would apply to others who would wish to come in support of him.

 

[kiwi50]

Hundreds expected at Timaru vigil for Dickason girls
Hope the weather improves for this.

 

[kiwi50]

Timaru tragedy: Father of dead girls says he'll carry loss 'for the rest of my life' - NZ Herald

 

[investikater]

Timaru tragedy: Father of dead girls says he'll carry loss 'for the rest of my life' - NZ Herald

His wife Lauren was unresponsive and rushed to Timaru Hospital, across the road from the house.

This conflicts with the reports that she was helped into the ambulance on foot?

 

[investikater]

This conflicts with the reports that she was helped into the ambulance on foot?

It suggests it was a failed murder suicide like I hypothesised earlier.

 

[investikater]

Timaru tragedy: Father of dead girls says he'll carry loss 'for the rest of my life' - NZ Herald

"Please also pray for my lovely Lauren for I honestly believe she is a victim in this as well.
"I have already forgiven her and I urge you in your own time to do the same … it is the key to healing this loss we have all experienced."

A victim of what?!!!

 

[investikater]

A pondering:

Are we witnessing (and engaging in (including me)) 'female privilege' here?

I mean, if Graham Dickason had done this instead, would we be still discussing mental illness, and hormones, and 'post paternal depression' / 'post paternal psychosis'?

Or would we be calling him a narcisist who decided that his children couldn't live without him, or who wanted to punish his wife via the kids, and discussing 'toxic masculinity'?

 

[Sarahlou]

A victim of what?!!!

Mental illness?

A pondering:

Are we witnessing (and engaging in (including me)) 'female privilege' here?

I mean, if Graham Dickason had done this instead, would we be still discussing mental illness, and hormones, and 'post paternal depression' / 'post paternal psychosis'?

Or would we be calling him a narcisist who decided that his children couldn't live without him, or who wanted to punish his wife via the kids, and discussing 'toxic masculinity'?

I think it's more the case that women kill their kids when they are suffering from psychosis than for revenge or to punish someone, that's why people automatically suggest it in cases like this.
How many cases are there where women have killed all their kids out of spite?

 

[investikater]

Mental illness?
I think it's more the case that women kill their kids when they are suffering from psychosis than for revenge or to punish someone, that's why people automatically suggest it in cases like this.
How many cases are there where women have killed all their kids out of spite?

here's 2 i found via a couple minutes of googling:
Mother guilty of murdering her children to hurt their father
Mother Rekha Kumari-Baker guilty of murdering daughters

 

[Sarahlou]

here's 2 i found via a couple minutes of googling:
Mother guilty of murdering her children to hurt their father
Mother Rekha Kumari-Baker guilty of murdering daughters

Of course there are cases but I would think it's the least likely reason usually? And in this New Zealand case the couple hadn't split up as far as we are aware?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Wasn't she overheard saying "what have I done".

 

[investikater]

Wasn't she overheard saying "what have I done".

yes there was one neighbour witness report of that.
however does that make any more sense with the mental illness hypothesis? can you be mentally ill enough to be homicidal one minute, and sane enough to be remorseful the next? and can't you be remourseful after doing something out of spite?

 

[Filly]

We'll see I guess or hear if she is diagnosed during trial.

Sometimes even a simple metabolic panel can help find something "off".

Walk around when you're magnesium is almost nill. It can cause you to lose your mind. Not suggesting it's the case here. Just thinking we have to wait.

Rare things. Perhaps like a pheo on your adrenal gland. You get flooded by cortisol. You're not right. Again as we discussed hormones. Until I was diagnosed even after two parathyroid removed. I was bat poop crazy. I'd be ready to fight full grown men on the street. It's like you're out of your body looking at yourself.

Never wanted to hurt a baby or child, but I don't have little ones. Echoing hormones are a powerful thing.

 

[kiwi50]

Mental illness?



I think it's more the case that women kill their kids when they are suffering from psychosis than for revenge or to punish someone, that's why people automatically suggest it in cases like this.
How many cases are there where women have killed all their kids out of spite?

Yes I think definitely mental illness.
If she recovers she will spend the rest of her life living with this.
If her husband can forgive her,on some level, surely we can show some empathy, he knew the whole story.

 

[CptCari]

Yes I think definitely mental illness.
If she recovers she will spend the rest of her life living with this.
If her husband can forgive her,on some level, surely we can show some empathy, he knew the whole story.

Cannot empathize with a child killer. Nope. Nope. Nope.

 

[investikater]

Yes I think definitely mental illness.
If she recovers she will spend the rest of her life living with this.
If her husband can forgive her,on some level, surely we can show some empathy, he knew the whole story.

I believe in empathy and compassion
for everyone; even people who do terrible things

i'm just wondering if women get more of it when it comes to filicide? and if so why?

and this is a horrific crime, and i'm struggling with the suggestion that she may face no accountability for it

i'm also unsure how much weight we should give to the forgiveness of her husband in terms of knowing the whole story
serial killers have groupies
parents protect their criminal children
etc etc