GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

[bakerlady]

I asked this before in the initial threads, iirc, but forgot the answer---homes in NH have basements, is that correct?

Yes. They do.

 

[momrids6]

"Law enforcement officers must now obtain satisfactory answers to the questions surrounding the facts and circumstances of Abigail’s disappearance and nine month absence. The individual or individuals who were involved with her disappearance and absence will now have to face the consequences of any unlawful actions. Finding these answers and assuring the perpetrator is brought to justice will help ensure a similar act is not committed against another child.”

BBM: http://www.mychamplainvalley.com/st...ibly-involved-in/22468/UDP98Zmlr0uV8FkvhoqNCw

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

True, lol. But if the sketch is bogus, then the perp would see that it is fake when it looks nothing like him and not be alarmed about her talking. He would anticipate extensive questioning.

Hmmm, that inspires a crazy thought thought---maybe LE put out a bogus sketch to throw off the perp, lol.

I think the sketch is bogus, but for other reasons. (I get the feeling AH is protecting someone, and very reticent to cooperate...*insert 'she's still a victim' here*...)

 

[margarita25]

I think the sketch is bogus, but for other reasons. (I get the feeling AH is protecting someone, and very reticent to cooperate...*insert 'she's still a victim' here*...)

My best friend told me a saying many years ago, that a person is always operating out of either love or fear, one or the other, plain and simple.
So, IF Abby is not cooperating, which one of these things is she operating out of?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

My best friend told me a saying many years ago, that a person is always operating out of either love or fear, one or the other, plain and simple.
So, IF Abby is not cooperating, which one of these things is she operating out of?

There's one more option; fear AND love.

Likely both here for Abby. (JMO)

 

[margarita25]

Several things bother me. The contradictions in staments between the AG and the family about Abbys health. Why did they want all family statements analized? There had to be a reason for that but thats as far as ill go with that. Why they wont say if she was kidnapped or went willingly.

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If they state she "went willingly", there may be a backlash from the community/public, which they may be trying to avoid.

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eta: Conversely, Abby and her family may not want to share with the world that she was kidnapped and abused.

 

[Fireweed]

This is going to be hard to explain, so bear with me here.

Re: Abby wearing the same clothes, I'm not saying this is the case, but have you ever coincidentally worn the same outfit...meaning, I've seen pictures of myself and been like, "Oh, I'm wearing those exact same pants today..." Make sense? But then again, with the weather, etc, not adding up.
So thinking out loud further, if she went off in those clothes, then bought new clothes, maybe she didn't want to wear those bc they could be tracked to wherever she bought them, hence surveillance footage, etc.
Circular brainstorming post, lol.

Good brainstorm. My issue is that seemed planned in advance. Like, let's say she was wearing that outfit and disappeared on the last cold day in March, and so she never wore a sweater again and then chose to wear it back so that no one would know where her other clothes came from. Okay then. But the clothes they show look too good. The sweater looks good and the pants are still really, really black and not faded at all even though they were described as being leggings.

It seems like someone took that outfit and stored it with intent of having Abby wear it upon her return.

 

[mpnola]

Good brainstorm. My issue is that seemed planned in advance. Like, let's say she was wearing that outfit and disappeared on the last cold day in March, and so she never wore a sweater again and then chose to wear it back so that no one would know where her other clothes came from. Okay then. But the clothes they show look too good. The sweater looks good and the pants are still really, really black and not faded at all even though they were described as being leggings.

It seems like someone took that outfit and stored it with intent of having Abby wear it upon her return.

Or did not wear it while gone so she wasn't recognized!

 

[majikbeans]

Good brainstorm. My issue is that seemed planned in advance. Like, let's say she was wearing that outfit and disappeared on the last cold day in March, and so she never wore a sweater again and then chose to wear it back so that no one would know where her other clothes came from. Okay then. But the clothes they show look too good. The sweater looks good and the pants are still really, really black and not faded at all even though they were described as being leggings.

It seems like someone took that outfit and stored it with intent of having Abby wear it upon her return.

To me, this is a key point. Everything pivots on this detail, the clothing. What kidnapper would systematically save clothing with an eye toward the future? That's some kind of pathology, that kind of foresight--nearly ritualistic. A more reasonable conclusion is a baby mill of some sort. Or a cult which required a surrender of the past. In that case the "western garb" (or cool, contemporary yoga pants and baggy colorful sweater) might have been, in fact, ritualistically put aside. The letter would make some sense in either case. As to her health, currently, the poor kid is most likely in a state of panic. There's a reason she's home--either she fought her way out or was finished with whatever she left for. My heart goes out to her, so young and so in the middle of things. I agree that the way it's being handled is only making things more interesting to the public--just whetting appetites for more pieces of the puzzle to come together.
My opinion, of course.

 

[Eileen730]

Or did not wear it while gone so she wasn't recognized!

So... why not come home in summer clothing?

I think wherever she was she had a uniform.

 

[cavvy]

http://www.stargazette.com/story/news/crime/2014/07/25/steuben-sex-offender-sought/13183587/

I'm wondering if anybody thinks this guy looks like the sketch. He apparently has been missing for a while now - didn't show up for a meeting with his parole officer last Tuesday.

I've wondered if maybe Abigail had been texting with someone on the internet and thought she was going to meet with him - if an older person showed up they may have convinced her that they were going to take her to see the person she thought she was texting with. In other words - she may have went willingly, but that it turned out to be a setup.

 

[Fireweed]

Good brainstorm. My issue is that seemed planned in advance. Like, let's say she was wearing that outfit and disappeared on the last cold day in March, and so she never wore a sweater again and then chose to wear it back so that no one would know where her other clothes came from. Okay then. But the clothes they show look too good. The sweater looks good and the pants are still really, really black and not faded at all even though they were described as being leggings.

It seems like someone took that outfit and stored it with intent of having Abby wear it upon her return.

To me, this is a key point. Everything pivots on this detail, the clothing. What kidnapper would systematically save clothing with an eye toward the future? That's some kind of pathology, that kind of foresight--nearly ritualistic. A more reasonable conclusion is a baby mill of some sort. Or a cult which required a surrender of the past. In that case the "western garb" (or cool, contemporary yoga pants and baggy colorful sweater) might have been, in fact, ritualistically put aside. The letter would make some sense in either case. As to her health, currently, the poor kid is most likely in a state of panic. There's a reason she's home--either she fought her way out or was finished with whatever she left for. My heart goes out to her, so young and so in the middle of things. I agree that the way it's being handled is only making things more interesting to the public--just whetting appetites for more pieces of the puzzle to come together.
My opinion, of course.

Yeah it is really bugging me. Something about the clothes... Would some hook-up from the internet really care about such a thing? Some guy who just wanted sex? Why does that not add up to me? You know, I have had sex with and dated some men in my life, and my clothing was not something that ever concerned them beyond maybe complimenting it. Clothing just strikes me as more of a female concern - something either Abby or some other female was concerned with. The preservation of clothing seems female too. Like I do not see a man thinking "ooh we'll put this away so that it is nice and new for you when you get back!"

And is a kidnapper seriously thinking about the moment he will give the kid back when it happens? Is that part of the kidnapper's fantasy?

 

[BillNH]

Me too. Especially because of his height (5'6''), weight, eye color. I have to think that if the person is slightly taller than Abby, they don't mean 5'8"-5'9". I would think they would bring in people of different heights to help narrow it down as part of the process of getting an accurate description.

Seems to me he must have done something more than "drive her away" if she can give an estimate of his height. If he just picked her up and dropped her off he would have been sitting the entire time. And for her to say he was just "slightly taller" then she must have been fairly close to him (physically). A person, especially a kid, would say (IMO) that the person was "about" their own height, not specifically "slightly taller"

 

[imamaze]

I removed the discussion about consent and the convent discussion. Not allowed. Abigail is a victim so is her family and discussing them in this way is not allowed.

 

[Eileen730]

Well then what if a family took her in?

 

[necco]

References to clothing and not eating. Eating and clothing come up now in this case as two of only a few things we know.

Food and clothing are on the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. They are primary and primal needs for life. I find nothing unusual about the father worrying about her being warm and fed. If you think about it, the first things parents do when they have babies generally revolve around keeping baby warm and fed. It's a natural concern.

 

[BillNH]

Look, LE really got the public involved in this case. I agree that LE's only "real" responsibility is to investigate this case, but when any person or organization asks for (and gets) the assistance of the public at large, then they should expect that there will be a huge response from the public at large when the case turns out like this. LE and the investigators of this case have an ethical duty at this point to address the public and at the very least try and put an end to some of the nastiness that is infecting the online discussions at this point. Heck, they could even lie in order to do that. "At this point, we have no reason to believe that Abby was pregnant" or "As of now, we have asked the family and Abby not to give interviews or address the public" or "We understand that we have asked for assistance using vague and cryptic information. We regret that is all we can give you right now, but your help stills means a lot to us and to the family".

To me, any of those things would really go a long way right now.

I don't think any statement will make a difference short of a detailed minute by minute transcript laying out every singe detail from what she had for breakfast the morning she went missing to the length of her fingernails the night she returned. Every word will be picked apart, every phrase will hold unspoken meanings and reading between the lines will occur for every sentence. Some people will just not be satisfied with whatever they are given. We see it in these pages every day. Complaints will be made about the things they didn't say and people will continually be begging for more answers to the new questions they have after the last statement given. So it seems mush simpler to just say nothing, frustrating as some find it.

 

[Pensfan]

So... why not come home in summer clothing?

I think wherever she was she had a uniform.

The FBI would have taken any new clothing and tracked them back to areas where they were sold/purchased.

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[bessie]

And is a kidnapper seriously thinking about the moment he will give the kid back when it happens? Is that part of the kidnapper's fantasy?

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Probably not, so personally, I wouldn't make that assumption. Considering the kidnapping scenario to be a fact, the wardrobe choice might well have been an afterthought when the heat turned up, and the perpetrator made the decision to release AH.

JMO

 

[BillNH]

Regardless of their relationship status, based upon what the dad has said, it sounds to me like the investigators were not particularly decent with him or his son. I have looked closely at his statements and he strikes me as being sincere. Subjectively to him, this whole thing has been extremely hard on him. I would sound like a jerk to if I had gone through what he went through.

I think the father is being extremely immature and since day one he and his family have been incredibly self centered about this whole thing. Regardless of the fact that she has been returned home, questioning him, his son, and asking the questions they did are all standard procedure and they would have been horribly negligent had they not done exactly what they did. I don't think for a second that they would have asked big Jim for a polygraph unless they saw reason to do so, and that was more than likely Jim's attitude and his seemingly greater concern about how her disappearing affected him and his boy. From the beginning that family has acted as though her disappearance affected only them and I see they are just continuing with it now that they are back in the bright lights. If they cared anything about that girl and what happened to her they would keep their mouths shut and let LE do their jobs.
Fireweed, I am usually right in the same ballpark with the content of your posts but I seriously disagree with your assessment on this one.