GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

[Jacie Estes]

His son has 'moved on' and has another girl friend. In my opinion, it is a bit creepy that a middle aged man believes he is 'owed' an explanation about his son's former girlfriend. I don't see his words as a concern for Abby but rather indignation over the way he and his son were treated. His actions have shown that he is willing to run to a tabloid or other media outlet to spew. For all we know he may have a deal with a media outlet for 'his perspective' on what happened to Abby and he sees dollar signs. His bad 'Raging Bull' imitation isn't helping Abby or his family and I would hope they have no further contact with him. He is the one who has brought up the media speculation, in that particular article, about sex. If I were Abby's parent that alone would be like waving a red flag and he would be shut down through legal means, i.e. slander. We are talking about a child and we don't need details about what happened to her and neither does JC. IMHO

JC should just hope and pray that nothing happens to son's new girl. Then the proverbial excrement will hit the proverbial fan.

Well, I disagree. He and his family have been heavily invested in this whole thing. He has a right to know what happened. Now maybe he does not have a right to know at the moment, but he certainly is owed an explanation. He does not need to know every single detail, but yes, he and his son have every expectation of knowing whether she was a runaway or if she was kidnapped. That is not a secret and Abby is not entitled to any privacy in that regard. Obviously for the sake of sensitivity, details that are salacious should be only be released if they absolutely have to be, which is how LE always handles these things.

I also disagree that the child being "safe at home" is a good enough explanation. It most certainly would not be if I were him. I completely support this man in wanting to get some answers. Anyone with a vested interest in the outcome (i.e. no longer on LE's radar as a suspect), absolutely gets an explanation.

 

[bessie]

I don't even understand all this arguing. LE has said we will get answers. This is an ongoing investigation, when it is concluded and they have all the answers then they will release info. People are acting like LE has said case closed nothing to see here. Let them do their work, they themselves have stated they don't have all the answers yet so how are they supposed to share what they don't yet know with the public?

Plain and simple truth. I love it.

Huge thanks!!

 

[Jacie Estes]

It has been resolved; LE has released a sketch, yes, one that is vague and possibly even laughable, 'Etch a Sketch Man', but it is information. The absence of the words 'imminent danger' are just that, an absence. LE isn't saying there is danger because there isn't any. We don't know where the letter home was post marked from and we don't know how far away Abby was from her home base. The 'imminent danger' may well be 500 miles away and LE there, not under the scope that Abby's town is under, may well be the ones who are monitoring him.

yes, there may or may not be a threat to the public, that is exactly what needs to be resolved.
i think imo that if the man in the sketch was under surveillance then they would not have released the sketch.
LE does have obligation to share some information with the public during investigations, specifically things that impact public safety, obviously these issues are balanced against the integrity of the investigation.
just because a member of the public is not part of the investigation does not mean they are not entitled to know details of the investigation that impact public safety, you dont have to be on a ride along after a bank robbery to be entitled to know if the police are aware of multiple men currently shooting up your neighborhood with assault weapons.

 

[newguy123]

A few days ago I checked in here and there was a word which shocked me......FOUND ! I'm new to this place and while perhaps not as emotionally invested as some who are closer to it, or for as long......it brought tears welling up in my eyes to know she was home. Then of course the zillions of questions which all of us had started to race through my mind. So many aspects of this story boggle the mind. I do have a feeling though that if I could ask 10 questions to LE and get straight answers, within an hour I'd have 10 more to ask. It would be an ongoing process as one bit of info just seems to trigger more questions. So, for want of a better term, for the greater good of the investigation, I will have to satisfy my curiosity with knowing she is home and that healing has started. Part of this healing is finding out what happened. If she was abducted people need to know for whom to watch. If she left of her own free will, then she obviously needs some type of help in addressing whatever issues, real or imagined, which she has.
The heartfelt outpouring of concern is amazing to this distant observer; the town seemed genuinely worried. I wonder if Abby was able to see this reaction. In a letter which her mom wrote to her hoping Abby would see it, she said if she came home "we can start a new life and all of this attention--all of this will be a thing of the past." I wonder if Abby was indeed worried about public reaction? Her mother addressed that very point in her open letter to her. Further, her father addressed that very point too in his letter to her "You probably didn't anticipate all the media attention you are getting, and we understand it can be a bit overwhelming and frightening. But please know I will do my best to keep the media away from you, and no one will embarrass you."
The letters from both her parents seem to address concerns of Abby's about media attention. I hope that as concerned as worried as people are, that in the short term, if we are unknowingly feeding into a very basic fear her parents addressed to her early on in the disappearance.

The strange thing about these letters to her is that the letter Abby wrote home was supposedly picked up by her mom on Nov 6? And she replies addressing the media issue....and so did her father which had his letter in the newspaper Nov. 4.....two days before the letter "arrived". Strange how both parents addressed it! As though they are responding directly to a concern of hers.......was the "arrival date" of the letter fudged? I just noticed that tonight, and in the larger scheme of things is small potatoes.....but interesting.

Anyway, as curious as we all are I hope we are not responding in the very way I believe she and her parents wanted to protect her from. I wish I knew where to draw the lines here which would satisfy everyone!

 

[liljim]

It has been resolved; LE has released a sketch, yes, one that is vague and possibly even laughable, 'Etch a Sketch Man', but it is information. The absence of the words 'imminent danger' are just that, an absence. LE isn't saying there is danger because there isn't any. We don't know where the letter home was post marked from and we don't know how far away Abby was from her home base. The 'imminent danger' may well be 500 miles away and LE there, not under the scope that Abby's town is under, may well be the ones who are monitoring him.

LE has explicitly stated that they do not know if she was abducted, held prisoner, or anything else regarding the nature of her disappearance. that is exactly what they have said, if they are lying or if they know something else and are using cryptic language i cannot say, and i would not assume that to be the case. i take them at their word.

so it cannot yet be said if there is an ongoing threat to the public.

in my opinion, the idea that the man in the sketch is currently being monitored by police is beyond belief. whether down the street, or halfway around the world.

 

[Jacie Estes]

BBM I am glad you posted it because it just clarified something for me. In shifting the blame, he has victimized Abby, rather than having compassion for her. So many who have decided they deserve answers, are entitled to information or are speculating are victimizing Abby all over again. Why do adults feel they need to do that?

Our own son had a little go round with a drama queen 14 year old who was calling our house threatening to kill herself because she was upset that a 14 year old boy [our son] wasn't into her as much as she wanted. I took the phone from him and told her she needed to seek help. As the parent, I stepped in, hung up the phone, called 911 and reported a suicidal girl at her address. her mother calls 10 minutes later screaming that I got her daughter in trouble. Needless to say, no more contact with that girl and her bluff was called. CPS got involved and drama was gone from our lives. I did not need to know what happened afterward, my job was to neutralize the situation for our son, which I did. That is not what JC is doing here; he is on a fishing trip and I question the motive for that. IMHO.

True, he was pretty insensitive. But try and put yourself in his shoes. What if your son, also a CHILD, was under suspicion, falsely? Wouldn't you speak out and try to defend him. Even if doing so might be awkward and insensitive to the other party?

My sons gf's parents were very angry AT MY SON because they found birth control pills in her room. They instantly blamed him and were very rude and accusatory towards us. They accused him of taking her virginity. My son told me that she was having sex before he even met her. And he was the one that convinced her to get some protection. But he did not tell her parents that. He let them blame him, which they did for awhile. Eventually they learned the truth though and they apologized.

So things can get very sticky and complicated in these kinds of family dynamics. You see this man as making a spectacle of Amy. But it might also be said that he was trying to shift the blame away from his son. And maybe now what he wants is confirmation that his son was innocent all along.

 

[east2west]

What charade? I'm really confused.

Also I thought it was an ongoing investigation, how can the BF's father know if their 9 months of suffering was justified or not if LE are still investigating what happened?

My brain feels like scrambled eggs here, am I missing something?

My post was in response to a previous posters comment regarding the sketch. My post had nothing to do with the BF nor his father.

jmo, nothing appears to make sense from the beginning of her disappearance to her bizarre return 9 months later, in the same clothes.

http://i.word.com/idictionary/charade

Jmo

 

[bakerlady]

At the request of colleagues at the Massachusetts-based Mission for the Missing organization, retired New Hampshire State Police Lt. John Healy examined letters and other written statements issued over the past nine months by Abby's parents, who live apart.

"In none of the letters did I detect any sense of fear or desperation," Healy said. "My sense is they strongly suspected she was gone voluntarily. Law enforcement obviously couldn't reach the same conclusion and say, 'We're done with this.'"

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...-baffled-by-Abigail-Hernandez-s-disappearance

Very interesting IMO. I said myself something was weird about the letters, especially the one from Dad.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Is it possible that by the time her parents wrote those letters they had received further information that lead them to believe she may have left willingly? That's what I think happened. Just MOO

 

[Karay]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...-baffled-by-Abigail-Hernandez-s-disappearance

Very interesting IMO. I said myself something was weird about the letters, especially the one from Dad.

Could you show me where to look for the letters you are talking about? Also, was Abby's letter ever available to be read or maybe the gist of it shared?

 

[cluciano63]

Imo, the Attorney General is not helping by some of the things she has said, i.e would not address Abigail's level of cooperation. She could have said we believe she is trying her best to cooperate or cooperating to the best of her ability, something like that. Of course this kind of response is only adding fuel for those who believe she is NOT cooperating. Jmo jmo jmo

 

[katydid23]

BBM I am glad you posted it because it just clarified something for me. In shifting the blame, he has victimized Abby, rather than having compassion for her. So many who have decided they deserve answers, are entitled to information or are speculating are victimizing Abby all over again. Why do adults feel they need to do that?

Our own son had a little go round with a drama queen 14 year old who was calling our house threatening to kill herself because she was upset that a 14 year old boy [our son] wasn't into her as much as she wanted. I took the phone from him and told her she needed to seek help. As the parent, I stepped in, hung up the phone, called 911 and reported a suicidal girl at her address. her mother calls 10 minutes later screaming that I got her daughter in trouble. Needless to say, no more contact with that girl and her bluff was called. CPS got involved and drama was gone from our lives. I did not need to know what happened afterward, my job was to neutralize the situation for our son, which I did. That is not what JC is doing here; he is on a fishing trip and I question the motive for that. IMHO.

I don't want to be in the position of defending the horrid behavior of this felon. I am just saying that he and his son were put in a very awkward situation by her disappearance. And although she owes none of us, and none of the public, an explanation, I do believe that those who were affected should be given an explanation. It is a common courtesy, imo.

 

[gitana1]

I cannot imagine having her gone for 9 months, and going through what we would have gone through, and then never having any explanation for the disappearance. It would have been very unfair, imo. When someone runs off, it affects many people, not just their immediate family. :moo:

ETA; to answer your question of WHY the bf would need to know, I think it is common courtesy. I think it does make a difference if she was kidnapped or if she ran away and stayed away voluntarily. Her situation greatly affected the lives of the bf and the father. They were seen as possible participants. So why wouldn't they want to know what actually happened?

BBM. Snipped by me for space.

Who said never? (See below).

And of course it is reasonable that they WANT to know what has happened. Not one post has indicated that the desire to know what has happened is crazy, irrational, unreasonable, unfair, wrong, etc. Not one. Heck, I'm dying to know myself.

It is the DEMAND for immediate information in the middle of a darned investigation that is being questioned, for goodness' sake.

I think people are having a normal, human reaction. People from that area were really worked up over this. I am sure many parents were terrified. Now it is supposed to be "over" and there are still so many unanswered questions, namely whether Abby was kidnapped or not. I get why the people from there are upset. Then, the information released from LE is so cryptic and odd. A sketch of a guy with a vague description and really nothing else? Huh? It makes no sense in light of the circumstances, and I can see why the people from that area are getting more and more upset.

BBM. Who said it is "over" and no one is ever going to get any further information? Hasn't LE been super, extremely clear that there is an on-going investigation?

yes, there may or may not be a threat to the public, that is exactly what needs to be resolved.
i think imo that if the man in the sketch was under surveillance then they would not have released the sketch.
LE does have obligation to share some information with the public during investigations, specifically things that impact public safety, obviously these issues are balanced against the integrity of the investigation.
just because a member of the public is not part of the investigation does not mean they are not entitled to know details of the investigation that impact public safety, you dont have to be on a ride along after a bank robbery to be entitled to know if the police are aware of multiple men currently shooting up your neighborhood with assault weapons.

And guess who gets to determine whether there is a public threat? Guess who gets to do that balancing test? LE.

They are the professionals when it comes to public safety, not us. We have no say in their decisions except when it comes to election time.

For now I'm trusting that they are revealing what is necessary to reveal.

I don't even understand all this arguing. LE has said we will get answers. This is an ongoing investigation, when it is concluded and they have all the answers then they will release info. People are acting like LE has said case closed nothing to see here. Let them do their work, they themselves have stated they don't have all the answers yet so how are they supposed to share what they don't yet know with the public?

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm confused myself. Too much second guessing of LE before the gun has even stopped smoking.

BBM I am glad you posted it because it just clarified something for me. In shifting the blame, he has victimized Abby, rather than having compassion for her. So many who have decided they deserve answers, are entitled to information or are speculating are victimizing Abby all over again. Why do adults feel they need to do that?

Our own son had a little go round with a drama queen 14 year old who was calling our house threatening to kill herself because she was upset that a 14 year old boy [our son] wasn't into her as much as she wanted. I took the phone from him and told her she needed to seek help. As the parent, I stepped in, hung up the phone, called 911 and reported a suicidal girl at her address. her mother calls 10 minutes later screaming that I got her daughter in trouble. Needless to say, no more contact with that girl and her bluff was called. CPS got involved and drama was gone from our lives. I did not need to know what happened afterward, my job was to neutralize the situation for our son, which I did. That is not what JC is doing here; he is on a fishing trip and I question the motive for that. IMHO.

I really love you how you dealt with that situation. Spot on perfect.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Totally different subject - has anyone in these threads mentioned the possibility of AH belonging to an area climbing club? I remember her mom mentioning it was an avid interest of hers (like running). There is also an online climbing club for the White Mountain/Conway area (with forum)--though it is possibly too old/advanced for her:

http://www.neclimbs.com/index.php?PageName=home

http://www.neclimbs.com/forum.php

Would it be possible that she met someone via a climbing club who may have been involved with her disappearance?

 

[bakerlady]

The letter from Abby has never been published as far as I know but there are two from her dad on the Missing Abigail FB page and published throughout the media and I have seen one from her mom.

The one I am quoting is from Dad this Easter on the FB page. I hope I am allowed to quote it.

<modsnip>

 

[gitana1]

I don't want to be in the position of defending the horrid behavior of this felon. I am just saying that he and his son were put in a very awkward situation by her disappearance. And although she owes none of us, and none of the public, an explanation, I do believe that those who were affected should be given an explanation. It is a common courtesy, imo.

If I ever found out my law enforcement department compromised an on-going investigation for the sake of common courtesy, I would flip.

Have I gone mad here? This case is not over. LE are currently working an extremely active case and they are going to keep their mouths shut until it's over or they need to release info. Period.

 

[liljim]

"And guess who gets to determine whether there is a public threat? Guess who gets to do that balancing test? LE."

of course they do, who else possibly could? i certainly never mant to imply anything else, when i referenced the idea that public safety was a factor i think i went out of my way to say that it is LE's job to determine that and then report such a thing to the public unless there was some good reason not to, which of course, is something only they could determine.

 

[pkirsch2013]

Hi All. For obvious reasons, (obvious I guess to some, if I am still listed on here as verified insider it's been a while since I posted) I am not going to comment on discussions with any details or interviews with the Daily Mail. I have always tried to stay above the muck as it is never productive. I can say that I am overjoyed that Abby is home and alive and safe with her family. It makes anything and everything in terms of efforts, lost sleep, navigating all of the speculation, second guessing, and everything else of the last 9 months worth it in any and all ways. Abby is home and a lot of people were supportive of that, in ways I will never be able to thank enough.

I will share that the reaction of the community is not 100% one way or the other and I hope anyone's perspective of posts online don't think that is the only community sentiment. Some are extremely supportive, some are not. The less supportive as is often the case, are very vocal and the more supportive don't feel compelled to have to offer that support online as they can offer it personally or privately and often don't feel the need to post their opinions online.

I wanted to share something a local counselor friend of mine posted and she encouraged to be shared. I thought it was very well written. Note, this is not directed at anyone specifically in this thread, just a general set of guidelines that I thought were spot on and I encourage you to share it with anyone too.


"In response to all the online and real time conversations that are happening around the Abby Hernandez case, I invite you to consider the following ...

First things must be taken care of first!!! Clearly Abby and Zenya's priorities are:
Reconnect with loved ones.
Take care of physical health.
Take care of mental health.
Help the police as much as possible balanced with taking care of the first three things in order of priority.

The public is certainly on the list of priorities ... but certainly not on the top of the list right now.

A SPECIAL NOTE TO ALL MY TEEN CONTACTS ... any time and energy spent spreading or propagating rumors or speculating about what happened or is happening is simply wasted time and will only hinder the healing process for all involved.

All the best to Abby, her family and everyone who is working so hard at solving this case and upholding justice

Feel free to share if you are moved to do so."

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

It has been resolved; LE has released a sketch, yes, one that is vague and possibly even laughable, 'Etch a Sketch Man', but it is information. <snipped>

Nah, it's his precursor...Wooly Willy. From back in the ooooooold days, when magnetic dust was high-tech.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If I ever found out my law enforcement department compromised an on-going investigation for the sake of common courtesy, I would flip.

Have I gone mad here? This case is not over. LE are currently working an extremely active case and they are going to keep their mouths shut until it's over or they need to release info. Period.

Or until they actually get the answers...

I really get the feeling they are not getting answers just yet. Or very limited sketchy details. The reasons for this could be many so I won't speculate on that.