GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

[margarita25]

I didn't follow this at all, and I just saw an article on a news site... Why can't this girl say where she was for the 9 months?

She might have told LE where she was (if she even knows), or she might have not.

Remember Amber Gerwick? Total amnesia. Anything could be at play here, PTSD, Stockholm Syndrome, fear of retaliation, protecting someone...

Maybe the truth is so, um, shocking that LE is trying to prepare the community? Who knows.

They're probably on the guys tail and that's why we are not hearing squat.

 

[margarita25]

Here are some attempted abductions commenters on the FB page linked, either with a bue truck or not far from the area:
http://www.wcax.com/story/24865439/attempted-abduction-in-fair-haven

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"Police say around 1:45pm, Sunday, two girls were standing at the intersection of West and This-A-Way Streets when a blue pickup stopped near them. Police say a man got out of the truck and grabbed one of the girls by her clothing. She was able to break free and they both ran to a nearby home.

The male is described as in his 60's with grey hair, wearing glasses, 5-6 to 5-10 with a medium build and scruffy face. The male was reported to have been wearing a plaid shirt."

*there is a comment saying this might have been a possible mixup?

 

[Montjoy]

You guys remember how guarded/private Elizabeth Smart was on Nancy Grace, in response to NG's pressure/questions?

It's been a while, but I think that Elizabeth Smart was absolutely incredible in that interview. It wasn't that she was guarded or private, but she took control of the conversation and set NG straight. (Forgive me if I'm mistaking things here, as I haven't seen the interview in years, but I thought ES was heroic.) I'm not sure how that has anything to do with Abigail's situation, mind you, other than that I believe she has an absolute right to privacy and to control her interactions with the media.

 

[mpnola]

Right To Privacy Or Right To Know?


video at link:
http://wgbhnews.org/post/right-privacy-or-right-know

I like this video!!!! Wraps the issues up in a nutshell!

 

[margarita25]

Bringing this forward again.

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http://www.berlindailysun.com/index...ion-in-gorham&catid=103:local-news&Itemid=442

Published Date Friday, 06 June 2014 20:54
"GORHAM - Gorham police are investigating a possible attempted abduction of a teenage girl on Main Street in Gorham Thursday at 3:28 p.m. The suspect was described as a white male, clean shaven and approximately 50 years of age. He was reportedly driving a blue pick-up truck, without a cap, and possibly out of state plates. "

 

[liljim]

fireweed, im not so sure that they have any other information. my feeling is that they never would have released that sketch if they any other solid information to go on and try to track him down tehmselves.

i dont think we can necessarily say that abby must be in possession of any other information, it seems odd if she is not, but i will keep an open mind regarding that for now. not enough known.

the one thing that i cannot understand is that LE still has no idea of the nature of her disappearance. that is something im having a hard time understanding. maybe there is a good reason for it, idk.

remember, its not just that they arent talking about it, or not releasing that information, they are saying they do not yet know.

 

[mpnola]

"Police say around 1:45pm, Sunday, two girls were standing at the intersection of West and This-A-Way Streets when a blue pickup stopped near them. Police say a man got out of the truck and grabbed one of the girls by her clothing. She was able to break free and they both ran to a nearby home.

The male is described as in his 60's with grey hair, wearing glasses, 5-6 to 5-10 with a medium build and scruffy face. The male was reported to have been wearing a plaid shirt."

*there is a comment saying this might have been a possible mixup?

I saw that comment, but below, there are several people who know the girls personally. One even posted it on her facebook page warning people, so I tend to believe the girls who reported it and the person who knows them.

 

[margarita25]

It's been a while, but I think that Elizabeth Smart was absolutely incredible in that interview. It wasn't that she was guarded or private, but she took control of the conversation and set NG straight. (Forgive me if I'm mistaking things here, as I haven't seen the interview in years, but I thought ES was heroic.) I'm not sure how that has anything to do with Abigail's situation, mind you, other than that I believe she has an absolute right to privacy and to control her interactions with the media.

agreed.

 

[margarita25]

(Wow, 3 mods in the house, keeping a close eye on us here )

I think its awesome how this forum is so victim friendly. Thanks for all you guys do.

 

[Fireweed]

I get releasing some info and keeping some private for the sake of the investigation, but the way LE is going about it in this case is really odd to me. I mean, first they ask the public for help in getting the guy in the sketch, and only a whole day later do they add that he is in his 40's. Huh? I mean would that not be a crucial element in identifying someone?

I guess it is one thing to keep it under wraps and not ask the public for help, but then asking them for help by giving them information that seems highly unlikely to lead to getting this guy just makes very little sense to me.

 

[Annie1004]

I know, it's awful. Did you read the whole article? The boyfriend's dad gives a lot of information. I don't how much of it is true or if any of it is true, but he sounds angry. I'm not surprised Zenya isn't returning his texts.

Sounds like vigilante justice. I am sad his 15-year-old is heartbroken, as is he, but to give this interview served no positive purpose. It certainly won't open up communication between the two families. Let LE do its job and leave AH alone.

Me thinks LE wishes it had kept this under wraps until more headway is made in the case. But they had to know the public's reaction by dropping this bombshell.

For some reason, I can't get over AH wearing the same clothes home. It's like a big joke or the makings of a soap opera. You can't make this stuff up. It's too pat.

In the end, I am glad she's home.

 

[margarita25]

So, hypothetically, if this was a Castro type situation, why would her abductor release her? She could identify him, right? (thinking out loud)

 

[Rivernh]

I like this video!!!! Wraps the issues up in a nutshell!

I disagree. I think the video presents a false dichotomy and is simply playing the prurient interests of their audience. The reporters are biased of course, because they want a good story. LE has *not* said, (that I have read), that withholding information is because of privacy issues, and even the story states it is for investigative purposes. And certainly, even though I have not seen LE say it, there does have to be legal protections in place for information concerning a minor. There are constraints on giving out health information, such as Abby's health condition. (HIPAA regulations)

Trust me, I am not one to go into lockstep with LE over every issue, but I feel that enlisting the help of the media to disseminate information they want the public's help with, does not entitle the media to obtain confidential police information. I find it disingenuous that they would make that claim--it's self serving.
And I say this, even though I have mixed feelings about the amount of information they have released in the case, and if it has always served Abby well. But its hard to qualify a judgment without knowing the details---in a way it's a catch 22 I suppose.

 

[Fireweed]

For some reason, I can't get over AH wearing the same clothes home. It's like a big joke or the makings of a soap opera. You can't make this stuff up. It's too pat.

One reason I am not yet convinced that this is not some big put-on, or a hoax, or a cover-up of some sort. Something about how everything happened, and how it is still happening, is just so, so strange to me. I just cannot shake this feeling that someone involved in this case is messing with everyone. I will certainly not sleuth anyone I am not supposed to, and I have no solid evidence of anything, but something about the way LE is wording everything, along with all the bizarre things not being addressed. I dunno, I just have a bad feeling.

 

[cluciano63]

So, hypothetically, if this was a Castro type situation, why would her abductor release her? She could identify him, right? (thinking out loud)

You would think. And she would most likely know how to reach him, Imo, as I think the meeting was planned. Maybe he was not who she thought she would be meeting...but she still must have arranged it somehow, since it does not sound like she was imply grabbed off the street by a random. How on earth did she communicate with him, that LE has been unable to trace?

Just my theory...I know it has not been made clear she met up with him, but that is my belief.

 

[margarita25]

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the one thing that i cannot understand is that LE still has no idea of the nature of her disappearance. that is something im having a hard time understanding. maybe there is a good reason for it, idk.

remember, its not just that they arent talking about it, or not releasing that information, they are saying they do not yet know.

I have seen this stated in other cases before where it turned out to be a fib inocchio: (there's a great example of this that I can't remember right now). jmo


I think its possible there's a whole lot they know. jmo

And as stated, this is an active and ongoing investigation so the process of gathering information is still occurring.

Also, if a predator is involved, it is a very strategic operation to apprehend that individual(s) so LE might need to be tightlipped for whatever strategic reason.

Maybe this thing is much bigger than just Abby? Could be a whole trafficking operation, who knows.

 

[SStarr33]

You guys remember how guarded/private Elizabeth Smart was on Nancy Grace, in response to NG's pressure/questions?

I have never seen the NG interview with ES, so I googled it after reading your comment. OMG, it is hilarious, especially at about 1:20:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x8ARIxg51I

LOL, I love Elizabeth Smart.

 

[margarita25]

Hypothetically wondering, it is a crime for a minor to voluntarily disappear?

 

[Steleheart]

No. All of that information has been bandied about on another forum which is not well moderated and where children and other victims are outted and publically flogged for the sake of gossip. I am not a member there. This man has publically chastised LE and the victims on FB, in comments and on his own site until he was shut down.

A comment was made about Daily Mail as being a UK rag - I think that was kind. For instance - not like they ever stretch the facts but consider their quote "they knew she spent everyday round at our house, so they had to rule us out" "ROUND AT OUR HOUSE"? Did she bring her 'brolly' or help you re-tyre the truck? No one talks like that from New Hampshire so what other information was refigured to suit their readership?

Please. A member mentioned that this is Websleuths. Exactly! <modsnip>

For instance has anyone ever seen this guy?

He went by the name Waylon on FB. His description and his name matched the sightings in both Errol and St Albans. The person up there spotted with someone who looked like Abby was with an older woman and a younger girl. In the Errol sighting, RM described the male as similar with a scruffy beard and a female with a younger girl.

So looking at this picture, we see the ears folding downward at the top, we see the stubble, we see a somewhat 'darkish' complexion, we see the rounded face, the longish bridge and the droopy eyes - but we see something else! We see blue eyes. Abby said his eyes were dark brown. OK so being drugged, stressed and held against her will she could get a detail wrong after 9 months. But there is something else.
~ We read today that the sketch person is someone in his mid to late 40s. https://www.facebook.com/bringabbyhome "Updated info. Age on male is mid to late 40s."
This guy's mug shot puts him at abt 33 YO.
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http://southcarolina.arrests.org/Arrests/Michael_Goettsch_7727582/

I think we can skip it.


But THIS is SLEUTHING!

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[necco]

Hypothetically wondering, it is a crime for a minor to voluntarily disappear?

If nothing else, they would be legally truant.

http://www.education.nh.gov/standards/documents/truancy.pdf