GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

[LookingHoping]

Guy in that photo doesn't match the age range of being in 40's and if you think it is him the BEST thing is to call it in and not post it publicly, because if the perp is here (as they typically are) well, now he knows

 

[LookingHoping]

CLEARLY, this child has been through misery, why why why must we continue to question LE and her and her family? I do not get it, SHAKING MY HEAD SO MUCH I MAY HAVE SEIZURES! THis is a child who was driven away from her friends and family, from her life. She missed her entire first year of high school and who knows how much of the future she will miss trying to recover. What do people want to hear from LE? They've given she's home, not enough. They've given photos of clothing and asked for sightings Sunday night, not enough. They give a SKETCH, not enough. Now, NOW they give you specific details of the poor child's condition and that still isn't enough, still sparks up peoples' lie detector. What is it you want to hear from LE, the family, the BAH team? Help me out here, I'm 110% thoroughly confused!

 

[LookingHoping]

It was not just "good condition"; it was also "fed". Yeah I get that "good condition" can be a loaded phrase, but here there was a specific thing attached with it: it was the basis (supposedly) of LE's assumption that an adult had been assisting her these past months. A person who is very weak, thin, tired, and unable to eat solid foods could very easily have had almost no adult assistance.

I am going with one being a lie and one being a truth, and not both being simultaneously a lie and the truth. I cannot make such a stretch of the words "good health", "good condition" and "fed".

So you cannot be fed a little bit here and there? Seriously, there is NO REASON one is a lie and one is the truth. Seems to me LE was trying to say they know there is a perp, but for a specific reason they don't want to give details just like they never gave details of the letter so many demanded details on. I wonder why they didn't? (rhetorical sarcasm there)

 

[2Hope4]

Perps might be here, and might not. We have no way of knowing. There's been really very few cases on here that a perp actually responded to postings, and the identity was known. Unless someone has a database of all our information when we registered, well then, how can one state that the perps are typically here??

 

[Fireweed]

CLEARLY, this child has been through misery, why why why must we continue to question LE and her and her family? I do not get it, SHAKING MY HEAD SO MUCH I MAY HAVE SEIZURES! THis is a child who was driven away from her friends and family, from her life. Shemissed her entire first year of high school and who knows how much of the future she will miss trying to recover. What do people want to hear from LE? They've given she's home, not enough. They've given photos of clothing and asked for sightings Sunday night, not enough. They give a SKETCH, not enough. Now, NOW they give you specific details of the poor child's condition and that still isn't enough, still sparks up everybody'd lie detector. What is it you want to hear from LE, the family, the BAH team? Help me out here, I'm 110% thoroughly confused!

Because we have been given two contradictory statements regarding the state of her health, I think it is fair to question what exactly is going on here. Should I preface each and every one of my posts with something about how I feel bad for Abby (which I do) and that I am really saddened by the fact that she was away from her family and friends for nine months, etc? Because I am starting to feel like that is what is expected before questioning anything about this case without being accused (in a roundabout way) of being insensitive. I feel like at websleuths, that we should be able to logically dissect a mystery without a huge amount of emotional stuff. Like I do not think that, when people are discussing some minutia of the case that is bothering them, that it is in the spirit of what this website is about for some to interrupt the conversation with something like, "Well I'm just glad that Abby is home!"

 

[Linda7NJ]

CLEARLY, this child has been through misery, why why why must we continue to question LE and her and her family? I do not get it, SHAKING MY HEAD SO MUCH I MAY HAVE SEIZURES! THis is a child who was driven away from her friends and family, from her life. Shemissed her entire first year of high school and who knows how much of the future she will miss trying to recover. What do people want to hear from LE? They've given she's home, not enough. They've given photos of clothing and asked for sightings Sunday night, not enough. They give a SKETCH, not enough. Now, NOW they give you specific details of the poor child's condition and that still isn't enough, still sparks up everybody'd lie detector. What is it you want to hear from LE, the family, the BAH team? Help me out here, I'm 110% thoroughly confused!

Personally, I only want to see the responsible person brought to justice at this point.
I have nothing but compassion and the desire to repeatedly state this child is a victim no matter what. She needs privacy, compassion and space to heal.

Sometimes people that have survived on nothing but adrenaline for a long time CRASH very hard when they're in a safe place.

IMO


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[Linda7NJ]

Because we have been given two contradictory statements regarding the state of her health, I think it is fair to question what exactly is going on here. Should I preface each and every one of my posts with something about how I feel bad for Abby (which I do) and that I am really saddened by the fact that she was away from her family and friends for nine months, etc? Because I am starting to feel like that is what is expected before questioning anything about this case without being accused (in a roundabout way) of being insensitive. I feel like at websleuths, that we should be able to logically dissect a mystery without a huge amount of emotional stuff. Like I do not think that, when people are discussing some minutia of the case that is bothering them, that it is in the spirit of what this website is about for some to interrupt the conversation with something like, "Well I'm just glad that Abby is home!"

IMO we treat child victims differently. At least I do.




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[momrids6]

Ok, so say hypothetically she applied for a job as a maid somewhere (I recall a case where a woman answered an ad on craigslist for a maid's position and was killed by that employer)---there's no electronic footprint of this---could she have seen a posting somewhere, say on a sign or in a newspaper, and gone directly to that address to apply without calling? Maybe this is the store she was going to, as stated by the bf in the Daily mail article (post 318).

re: the store; l believe there is a outlet shopping in the area

 

[LookingHoping]

Perps might be here, and might not. We have no way of knowing. There's been really very few cases on here that a perp actually responded to postings, and the identity was known. Unless someone has a database of all our information when we registered, well then, how can one state that the perps are typically here??

It is viewable by the public and a child's future is at stake (imho)

 

[liltexans]

re: the store; l believe there is a outlet shopping in the area

Didn't LE spend a lot of time searching behind/near the Walmart when Abby disappeared? I recall a lot of initial reports of getting surveillance footage from behind the Walmart.

Does anyone else remember this? Maybe the store Abby was heading to was Walmart.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

We do not need even know if this guy is a suspect, or just some person they want to talk to. We have no idea. In fact, generally in cases like this, LE specifically calls the guy in the sketch a "suspect".

I have an icky feeling about that sketch.

From the Boston Globe article:

Authorities have stopped short of calling the man a suspect, though Ramsey said that investigators do have a “description of his involvement.” They are not releasing any more information about him, Ramsey said, until they locate and talk to him.

“Our biggest concern is, let’s find out who this is and make sure we get an interview with this person,” said Ramsey.

Investigators do not know if the man is from New Hampshire, said Ramsey, nor do they know if Hernandez remained in New Hampshire during her nine-month absence.

 

[LookingHoping]

If, theoretically, she had been living in a closed commune somewhere, this all starts to make some sense. Here's my theory:
She meets someone from such a group at the Fryeburg Fair and gets to talking.
Somehow, she ends with them the night she went missing, either planned with her or without her.
She writes the snail mail letter to her mom because they allow her to do so.
She lives in the community for a while but gets sick from the raw milk, honey or something contaminated with bacteria from animal waste.
They give her back her street clothing, which, since she would have worn the modest clothing the group wears during her time there, looks as new as the day she disappeared.
They drop her off.

Help me out….you're thinking maybe Raw milk or honey caused her condition?

 

[sreshowtime]

Wow amazing news to have seen....not everyday we see FOUND...what a great word to see
Of course she is in good condition...she is not dead....let us wish all our missing were back ... in good condition!

someone asked about the Fryeburg Fair? IIRC ( no link at the moment sorry) AH went with boyfriend and his fam the weekend before she went missing.

Speaking of the fair made me wonder....and maybe this was discussed...but now that they have this 'sketch', has it been shown to the persons who put on that fair?
Does that fair have the carnival rides, that travel a particular circuit to different fairs?
I wonder if so, where that particular one has been, and is currently. KWIM?

 

[Fireweed]

IMO we treat child victims differently. At least I do.




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Then perhaps threads on child victims should not exist, because by the nature of sleuthing, something might come up about a child victim that is unpleasant. It is unavoidable. Personally I have read some things about Abby on other sites that I will not post here because she is a child, but there are some things related to solving the case that will naturally involve the victim. The biggest one for me is did she go willingly or was she abducted? Now here is my take: a 14-year-old child does not have the requisite mental capacity to go "willingly" with someone if that involves being taken away from her parents for nine months, so to me, whether she went willingly or not, she is still a victim. The conundrum I am having is that a person who went "willingly" now might have a pretty good reason to lie (wants to protect self, wants to protect perp, is embarrassed, etc). So that brings up issues that, by all rights would be good to discuss when sleuthing, but which people are not comfortable bringing up when that victim is a child.

 

[necco]

Help me out….you're thinking maybe Raw milk or honey caused her condition?

There's a few communes and non-traditional communities in the VT/NH/ME area, some of which have less than stellar reputations. Some are religious based and do a lot of farming. If she got sick and that's why she was returned, it could have been from something food borne that she caught.

 

[Fireweed]

From the Boston Globe article:

Thanks. This is new though. They only put that out there about an hour ago.

 

[2Hope4]

Wonder why the reporters in the boston article didn't question the difference in Abby's health?? I pray she's exactly like Jane Young said. If she wasn't, seems Jane would have stated she's receiving medical care and blah blah blah... but she didn't. And as I've been reminded by several posters, Jane chooses her words wisely, and for reasoning. Why would she say she was in good health, and someone obviously had been helping her survived for the past 9 months if she came home weak, unable to eat solid foods, and needed to rest to build up her strength?

One of the articles posted today also quoted some of the top LE investigators in this case, and that they weren't releasing a statement to alarm residents because they had nothing to lead them to believe that. So obviously they don't believe this 'sketch dude' abducted Abby. He may have drove the vehicle, but from the little that has been released it does not state she was taken against her will. And I'm OK with that!!! I would MUCH rather believe she left on her own, found out 'grown up life' wasn't all she thought she was prepared for, and came back home.

I wonder if Reuben will now try to custody? Wasn't that in one of his letters? That is Abby wants, she can come live with him? And Zenya has stated if Abby came home, all this would go away, and they would move away and start anew. I look for that to happen, maybe even with a name change. What the course they choose, as long as ABBY'S health and well fare are the driving force, then more power to them. I don't know what I would do in such instance, I honestly don't. But then again, I have extended family from both sides in the area, and could gain strength from them.


Reuben has hinted that there were problems at home, and perhaps the reason Abby left. From his letters to Abby, it's clear he felt she had left on her own, but had left for a reason of which he never stated whether he knew, or was just thinking might be possible. I don't know him or Zenya, or anyone else in this case. I'm not sleuthing either, and leaving that to social services, child advocates, child psychologists, or someone along that line to help Abby decide what's best for HER!

As far a someone being a nurse. I'm also a nurse. I know many nurse friends. While most of us are comfortable treating simple things at home, we also know when to seek professional advice. Not all nurses do, mind you. A nurse that finishes last in the class, or on state exams is still a nurse. In my instance, I could care for very sick individuals, even dying ones that had made the choice to remove tube feedings, etc., but when my own child was sick, my knowledge was there, but I wanted them with the top doctors, in the best hospitals in the area, and I asked many questions, etc. No way would I personally feel comfortable with this situation without professionals guiding me. Nope. Wouldn't know where to begin on what the right or wrong thing to say, ask, etc even though it was my child.

I would want a complete exam at a hospital with the top forensic nurses I know, and the top doctors I know. I would want to know that emotionally and physically her health had been examined and ANY issues addressed with a treatment plan. But hey, that's just me....not all are the same. I'll treat an animal at home, and I'm VERY close to all my animals, but I know when I need to reach out for help.

I pray there are professionals guiding Abby, and her FAMILY, not just Mom and Sis, but Dad also, in dealing with this situation. Whatever past skeletons there may be, I pray they are ALL able to leave them behind, and focus on Abby. Focus on finding out the TRUTH, but with the guidance of professionals in mental health as to how to approach.

*Had said I was going to sit on my hands, but that last article is in such stark contrast to what the leading law officials are saying, that I just can't... I don't understand, may never understand, and may just have to move along....*

ALL IN MY OWN OPINION BASED ON MY OWN LIFE EXPERIENCES!

 

[liltexans]

The attorney general's office said investigators sat with Abby for three and a half hours to produce the sketch. Abby returned home Sunday night, but little has been said about why she went missing or what happened to her.

"We are all pleased Abigail was returned safely to her family," said Attorney General Joseph Foster. "Law enforcement officers must now obtain satisfactory answers to the questions surrounding the facts and circumstances of Abigail’s disappearance and nine-month absence."

Former Assistant Attorney General David Ruoff said state investigators are casting a wide net.

"The sketch is fairly generic," Ruoff said. "The description (that) goes along with it is fairly generic. I think they're just hoping for anything at this point."

http://m.wmur.com/news/sketch-released-in-abby-hernandez-case/27135036

 

[LookingHoping]

Then perhaps threads on child victims should not exist, because by the nature of sleuthing, something might come up about a child victim that is unpleasant. It is unavoidable. Personally I have read some things about Abby on other sites that I will not post here because she is a child, but there are some things related to solving the case that will naturally involve the victim. The biggest one for me is did she go willingly or was she abducted? Now here is my take: a 14-year-old child does not have the requisite mental capacity to go "willingly" with someone if that involves being taken away from her parents for nine months, so to me, whether she went willingly or not, she is still a victim. The conundrum I am having is that a person who went "willingly" now might have a pretty good reason to lie (wants to protect self, wants to protect perp, is embarrassed, etc). So that brings up issues that, by all rights would be good to discuss when sleuthing, but which people are not comfortable bringing up when that victim is a child.

If a 14 yr old doesn't have the "requisite mental capacity to go willingly" what does it matter if she went willingly, why is that the biggest thing? Of course the person has pretty good reason to lie, they harbored, held, who knows what… a minor.

 

[Fireweed]

So you cannot be fed a little bit here and there? Seriously, there is NO REASON one is a lie and one is the truth. Seems to me LE was trying to say they know there is a perp, but for a specific reason they don't want to give details just like they never gave details of the letter so many demanded details on. I wonder why they didn't? (rhetorical sarcasm there)

What? What do you mean there is NO REASON that one is a lie and one is the truth. There are many reasons, the main one being that they are two opposing concepts.