GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

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  • #461
OT-ish, but we have seen dozens of cases where young girls were lured out by internet predators or older men from school etc...some younger than Abigail. In all of these cases, LE released the info about the girl meeting up with a male and usually soon after, the name of the man. So it is not as though LE has been hesitant to say in the past whether the victim had gone with the suspect by arrangement, or if instead they felt an outright abduction had taken place. That is why, Imo, this case seems so odd. LE really does not seem to think she was grabbed off the street at random, from what they say. But the idea of someone arranging to meet and take Abigail away is just as predatory, Imo, and this is not coming across from LE, to me at least. Very confusing.

Also...anyone who drove Abigail away that day has to be a suspect in some way...yet they won't commit even to that.
 
  • #462
There have been so many! Which one?

there is a comment on her main photo. im pretty sure we are allowed to point out comments if they are on her facebook,right? as long as i dont name names?? i hope so.
 
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Mom is overjoyed to see her but OMG you're so thin. Abby is traumatized and maybe not eating, maybe can't eat and the problem becomes more apparent over the passing days.
I do not for ONE second think that she has not been checked over medically and thoroughly. LE may be building a case and if mom didn't consent to a medical exam they would have CPS services over there in an instant. I would be shocked if mom wanted anything else for her anyway, she is a nurse and understands the importance of all of this. Just because no one said it, didn't mean it didn't happen

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Yes, I agree with this. My post was meant to be a response to another post, and some how I didn't get it quoted.

And it could be that since returning, her nerves are at an all time high, making it difficult to eat solid foods as well. You've got investigators asking you questions, needing answers, needing a sketch, etc., and no doubt worried how your friends, and family are going to respond when you come home, etc., all that would affect even the strongest person! No doubt each person directly affected by this case has thought over and over again of what they would do when they are reunited, and praying that moment comes soon. And then it comes! But no matter how many thoughts you had before, they could all go out the window! It must be an emotional toll on everyone. Relief and beyond the happiest ever, and fear it could happen again. Some fears relieved just by being able to see and hug your child after 9 months!! New fears that you might not have ever thought of. It would affect everyone, in my view point.

And yes, I'm sure even the closest family and friends would want answers. "oh my gosh, darling! Where have you been? Are you OK?", etc.... Many questions out of concern.
 
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Has there every been a case where a large group of people conspired to keep a kid like that? I do not think so. I grew up on an insular hippie commune (which I am sure looked really weird to outsiders), and there is absolutely no way a minor would have been kept there away from parents who were looking for her. No way.


Unfortunately yes. The one that comes to mind for me is the Church of Wells. MANY young men and women are being held captive, with no contact with family or loved ones at all. There's a young lady by the name of Catherine that I see her Mom post almost daily how much she misses her. Her family has been to Texas to try to even see her, and have been threatened with being arrested by the 3 men that run that cult. There's others, but that one is fresh because I see those posts on my facebook.
 
  • #466

whoa. can anyone do a side by side of these sketches??

edited: well.. now that ive done about 20 back and forths between the sketches i do see A LOT of differences. but somehow they still look alike to me.. hm.
 
  • #467
I am not sure if she could have been forced to undergo a physical exam, if, for instance she denied any abuse and refused to let them do it. When my niece was drugged and raped, she was asked to submit to an exam, but told it was her choice. She did have it done, though it never helped in catching anyone. Jmo
 
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whoa. can anyone do a side by side of these sketches??

edited: well.. now that ive done about 20 back and forths between the sketches i do see A LOT of differences. but somehow they still look alike to me.. hm.

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  • #469
Looking at her dad's letter, it seems he believed at that time she was a runaway.

And: When the letter surfaced, FBI Special Agent In Charge Kieran Ramsey said there was the possibility that Abigail had run away but that someone could still be coercing her into staying away from home.

After Abigail disappeared, police initially said she made it home, but later said she hadn’t. Police also at first said she made a call about 6:30 p.m. that day but later said that, too, was wrong.

After she vanished, police consistently said they have no evidence to suggest anything suspicious and were treating her disappearance as a missing-person case.


So- what adult(s) co-erced her to stay away, fed her, etc?

http://nypost.com/2014/07/21/teen-who-disappeared-9-months-ago-reunited-with-her-family/
 
  • #470
Don't know if this will be any clearer. The sketch for the Hernandez case (on Boston Globe website) doesn't appear to have reproduced well.
 

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Could it be that Jane Young didn't provide all the nitty gritty details on Abby's current state because it wasn't here place and/or didn't have their permission? That information is private and I'm assuming can't be announced to the media without permission from Abby and her parents.
 
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Could it be that Jane Young didn't provide all the nitty gritty details on Abby's current state because it wasn't here place? That information is private and I'm assuming can't be announced to the media without permission from Abby and her parents.

If that was the case, why comment on her health at all? It is not like they have released much else. They could easily have avoided saying anything about her condition. Jmo
 
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Better side by side -- thanks Margarita
 

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Could it be that Jane Young didn't provide all the nitty gritty details on Abby's current state because it wasn't here place and/or didn't have their permission? That information is private and I'm assuming can't be announced to the media without permission from Abby and her parents.

Why comment on it at all then? They have no problem not commenting on things. So then from now on are we not to assume that anything Jane Young says is true?
 
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I assume the first night being home was exciting and happy, but after a trauma, your initial feelings of security, esteem, etc quickly diminish. As a survivor, I speak from my own experiences. There was a period after my trauma (at this point, i had developed ptsd) where i wouldn't eat and lost 15 pounds, finally ending up in the hospital.

Whatever Abby went through, mentally, it's a HUGE adjustment for a 15 year old girl to be back home after 9 months.
 
  • #479
Why comment on it at all then? They have no problem not commenting on things. So then from now on are we not to assume that anything Jane Young says is true?

Assume whatever you please. That was jmo. Not even an opinion, just me brainstorming ideas. Jane Young isn't Abby's parents. In "good condition" could simple mean Abby is in a stable, safe environment and alive.
 
  • #480
I cannot figure out how the cops could have spoken to her for 3 hours and not know if she was taken by force or not. She obviously is communicating if they made that sketch.

This whole thing is so fishy and makes absolutely no sense.

Now I am not bashing LE with what I am about to say; I am genuinely baffled. So we have this sketch and very vague description of him and his car. But we know that LE must have seen a postmark on the letter. And surely Abby had a general idea of where she was taken (as in, "we drove until it got dark" "we headed towards Maine"). I mean she is 15 so she must have a decent idea of where things are located relative to her home town, or how long it takes to get somewhere by car. Abby must have spoken to the man too. What kind of accent does he have? Is he a smoker?

I get that some things must be kept secret for purposes of the investigation, but if all they are going to release is a sketch that looks like an outline, and description of the man being in his 40's with dark hair and skin, then why did they release it at all? I cannot see how the public will find this man without a little more evidence, and we know that they must have some extra evidence. Their method makes no sense to me.

I don't think LE necessarily expects the public to find this man. Evidence is often released for other reasons - to put pressure on the perp., to calm an angry public, for example. Give them something to do and talk about while LE works.

The entire situation is beyond strange. The fact that she's home and not in the hospital is strange to me.
I just hope whatever this child has been through, she comes out the other side healthy mentally and physically.


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i find that very strange too. I would imagine she's been checked out medically and we just don't know about it.

Guy in that photo doesn't match the age range of being in 40's and if you think it is him the BEST thing is to call it in and not post it publicly, because if the perp is here (as they typically are) well, now he knows :)

Perps might be here, and might not. We have no way of knowing. There's been really very few cases on here that a perp actually responded to postings, and the identity was known. Unless someone has a database of all our information when we registered, well then, how can one state that the perps are typically here??

We had the perp in the Abraham Shakespeare case on Websleuths. But typically, I think perps wouldn't necessarily come here , because so many other sites like news agencies, are talking about this case.

But it the bottom line is our efforts are unlikely to hurt the case because anything we are doing, the cops did with a whole team, and contacting parole officers, etc., within several hours.

I think what we are mostly doing is trying to solve it due to our interests in the case and solving puzzles- not necessarily because we think that if we don't do it, LE is not either.

But you never know. Web sleuthers have solved or helped solve various cases. If a perp suddenly moves because we were on to him, that would be a huge flag for LE.

If that was the case, why comment on her health at all? It is not like they have released much else. They could easily have avoided saying anything about her condition. Jmo

In these cases it is routine and necessary to immediately inform the concerned public- dead or alive and if alive, in the hospital or ok.

I don't find anything so contradictory about the statements. The kid is not dead and she apparently is able to talk and doesn't need on going hospital care. To LE who usually see bloated corpses, or pitiful skeletons or children's bodies riddled with torture marks, and so forth, being underweight, weak, traumatized and unable to eat solids foods, is definitely good condition.
 
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