GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #12

[bakerlady]

Catfishing happens but I think LE would have had evidence of that by now if they took the family computer in for analysis. They could have also subpoenaed records from the cell phone and FB right?

Does anyone know if this happened?

I assume it did because the FBI is involved.

This just does not seem random to me tho.

So much I want to say that is not allowed on this forum and it is quite frustrating but I hope I can say this.

I keep wondering if someone was owed money and Abby was offered up as a form of payment.

Or if she was taken as some form of revenge.

 

[katydid23]

I know some teens who emancipated themselves at 16. They were better off without their parents who were drunks and drug addicts. These kids were taking care of their parents for years and barely got any love in return. Those types of kids are usually wiser beyond their years and I feel for them. IMO if a kid feels so strongly that they want to be emancipated then it is probably in their best interest to do so. Sadly...

That is true, if the parents are addicts or negligent, the kids are better off emancipated. But it is still sad. I was replying to a post, in which they were not discussing addicted parents, but those whom chose to move away to be with new partners, and leaving their kids behind. And I find that very sad for the kids as well. I have seen it and the kids take it personally and it hurts them deeply. In my experience, anyway.

ETA: and I am not saying that a 16 yr old CANNOT make it all on their own in the world. I am just saying it is sad and difficult to do so. There are so many difficult decisions to be made each day. So many responsibilities. My kids were pretty independent, and they both had jobs and were in school, but they still needed us at important critical times. They both made some poor choices a few times, and I am glad we were able to help steer them back on track.

 

[cluciano63]

That is true, if the parents are addicts or negligent, the kids are better off emancipated. But it is still sad. I was replying to a post, in which they were not discussing addicted parents, but those whom chose to move away to be with new partners, and leaving their kids behind. And I find that very sad for the kids as well. I have seen it and the kids take it personally and it hurts them deeply. In my experience, anyway.

If they leave them with someone else, it might be better. Parents who don't want their kids are not going to be of much use, though kids can't see that at time.

 

[margarita25]

Ok, this is really, really wierd. I just posted that I learned a couple sleuthing tips from that show Catfish today, right? Well, I just tried one of their techniques in another thread...I put in an image to crosscheck on the web (a sketch of the suspect in the April Millsap case) and guess what came back as one of the hits? The sketch of the suspect in Abby's case! The images and descriptions are nothing similar imo, but it was really odd. It must have just considered it similar because it is a sketch and it is recent?

Here's the link to the case I'm referencing:

MI - Armada teen, April Dawn Millsap, age 14, found murdered in wooded area
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251244-MI-Armada-teen-April-Dawn-Millsap-age-14-found-murdered-in-wooded-area-14-7-14


http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/womans-body-found-on-edge-of-village-of-armada/27141128

 

[Fireweed]

That is true, if the parents are addicts or negligent, the kids are better off emancipated. But it is still sad. I was replying to a post, in which they were not discussing addicted parents, but those whom chose to move away to be with new partners, and leaving their kids behind. And I find that very sad for the kids as well. I have seen it and the kids take it personally and it hurts them deeply. In my experience, anyway.

A kid that age should not be living with a neglectful or abusive parent, but they also should not be emancipated and living on their own. There are some shelters for kids that age, but you can only be there at night. No minor should be homeless just because their parents suck. This seems like something that should be a big priority, but it isn't. If a 16-year-old girl gets kicked out of the house by her parents, and lives on the streets or in shelters, doing illegal things to get by, then she is treated like a criminal and a , and not like a minor who still needs a place to live and support. Also, hey, other people should not be on the hook to support a minor in these situations. If your son's friend is crashing on your couch and you are buying him food, great, but really there should be programs and help for people in this position. A 16-year-old cannot sign a lease in their name for an apartment, or finance a car, or any of those things a person needs to do in order to live as an "emancipated" person. There is a reason minors exist under the law as they do - they are not yet capable of living like adults. A 16-year-old kid who has been kicked out of his parents house does not go out, get a job, get an apartment, start paying bills, etc. He can't do most of those things.

 

[katydid23]

If they leave them with someone else, it might be better. Parents who don't want their kids are not going to be of much use, though kids can't see that at time.

That's true. But it just pisses me off when parents don't want their kids anymore. Kids aren't disposable. Kids are legal to be on their own at 18 and can emancipate themselves at 16. But parents shouldn't just take off with their new lovers, and leave a 16 yr old to raise themselves. JMO

 

[Fireweed]

Ok, this is really, really wierd. I just posted that I learned a couple sleuthing tips from that show Catfish today, right? Well, I just tried one of their techniques in another thread...I put in an image to crosscheck on the web (a sketch of the suspect in the link in progress case) and guess what came back as one of the hits? The sketch of the suspect in Abby's case! The images and descriptions are nothing similar imo, but it was really odd. It must have just considered it similar because it is a sketch and it is recent?

Here's the link to the case I'm referencing:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/womans-body-found-on-edge-of-village-of-armada/27141128

it was probably generated using keywords like "sketch" and 14-year-old girl"

 

[cluciano63]

That's true. But it just pisses me off when parents don't want their kids anymore. Kids aren't disposable. Kids are legal to be on their own at 18 and can emancipate themselves at 16. But parents shouldn't just take off with their new lovers, and leave a 16 yr old to raise themselves. JMO

Of course not, but a lot of people should never have had kids...

 

[bakerlady]

Huh? Those things do not exist anymore. Abby had a smart phone; that is how she communicated, and she took it with her.

Of course people still have computers. I have a smart phone and an ipad and a laptop.

All of the info on those devices can be subpoenaed. You don't need the actual phone to get the data.

ETA: not all of the info but the info like e-mails in instant messages and so on.

 

[margarita25]

Checking it out further, Armada, MI appears to be 758 miles from North Conway, NH
12 h 9 min / 11 h 26 min without traffic · Show traffic

*no relation to Abby's case I'm sure, but I had to at least look at the distance since the suspects' images cross referenced.

 

[margarita25]

it was probably generated using keywords like "sketch" and 14-year-old girl"

I thought it was comparing the images strictly, and no textual tags.

 

[liljim]

A kid that age should not be living with a neglectful or abusive parent, but they also should not be emancipated and living on their own. There are some shelters for kids that age, but you can only be there at night. No minor should be homeless just because their parents suck. This seems like something that should be a big priority, but it isn't. If a 16-year-old girl gets kicked out of the house by her parents, and lives on the streets or in shelters, doing illegal things to get by, then she is treated like a criminal and a , and not like a minor who still needs a place to live and support. Also, hey, other people should not be on the hook to support a minor in these situations. If your son's friend is crashing on your couch and you are buying him food, great, but really there should be programs and help for people in this position. A 16-year-old cannot sign a lease in their name for an apartment, or finance a car, or any of those things a person needs to do in order to live as an "emancipated" person. There is a reason minors exist under the law as they do - they are not yet capable of living like adults. A 16-year-old kid who has been kicked out of his parents house does not go out, get a job, get an apartment, start paying bills, etc. He can't do most of those things.

in many cities your parents must be contacted if you are a minor seeking to stay in a shelter, and you may (or may not) be surprised how indifferent LE is to underage runaways in many cities/areas in the US.

*im not disagreeing with anything you said, just adding comments from my experience

 

[bakerlady]

it was probably generated using keywords like "sketch" and 14-year-old girl"

Reverse image does not go by keywords rather the actual image data. Every single image is scanned and indexed by google. Every pixel is recorded and images with similar colors and shapes and lines will come up in a reverse image search.

I work online and have to use this tool on a daily basis.

 

[carbuff]

Ok, this is really, really wierd. I just posted that I learned a couple sleuthing tips from that show Catfish today, right? Well, I just tried one of their techniques in another thread...I put in an image to crosscheck on the web (a sketch of the suspect in the link in progress case) and guess what came back as one of the hits? The sketch of the suspect in Abby's case! The images and descriptions are nothing similar imo, but it was really odd. It must have just considered it similar because it is a sketch and it is recent?

Here's the link to the case I'm referencing:

MI - Armada teen, April Dawn Millsap, age 14, found murdered in wooded area
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251244-MI-Armada-teen-April-Dawn-Millsap-age-14-found-murdered-in-wooded-area-14-7-14


http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/womans-body-found-on-edge-of-village-of-armada/27141128

It looks like the face matcher noticed some rather striking similarities. Here's a side by side. Notice the overall shape of the face, the hairline, the tip of the nose, the overall spacing of features, and especially the left ear (right as you're looking at it).

Some differences too, especially in the hair and such, and the overall look is quite different. But if the guy in the NH sketch was wearing a curly wig, and shaved carefully...? I'm not sure.

 

[momrids6]

Huh? Those things do not exist anymore. Abby had a smart phone; that is how she communicated, and she took it with her.

If there is a family computer, the phone used it's wifi connection- making it valuable. I can go into my internet acct- and view every site my kids viewed on their phones- as my computer/provider logs it. The vast majority of families I know have at least one desk or laptop in the house- for themselves and for school work.

 

[margarita25]

It looks like the face matcher noticed some rather striking similarities. Here's a side by side. Notice the overall shape of the face, the hairline, the tip of the nose, the overall spacing of features, and especially the left ear (right as you're looking at it).

Some differences too, especially in the hair and such, and the overall look is quite different. But if the guy in the NH sketch was wearing a curly wig, and shaved carefully...? I'm not sure.

Thanks for the side by side Carbuff. :wave:
There appears to be a big difference in age. I doubt they're the same.

 

[carbuff]

I doubt so too, Margarita. The NH guy's face appears to be wider, the age difference, the overall look. But that similarity of ear does make me do a double-take.

 

[margarita25]

I doubt so too, Margarita. The NH guy's face appears to be wider, the age difference, the overall look. But that similarity of ear does make me do a double-take.

The ear is similar indeed. I think it could have hit too because of the dated signature (7, 14 etc) and maybe even bc of the tshirt neckline? I'm curious, I wish it highlighted the areas that made it hit, for my own educational purposes of crosschecking sketches in the future.

 

[bakerlady]

I think they eyes in Abby's sketch are the most distinguishing factor. They seem very droopy and have very thin and asymmetrical eyebrows.

I also do not see a resemblance between the two sketches.

 

[Fireweed]

Of course people still have computers. I have a smart phone and an ipad and a laptop.

All of the info on those devices can be subpoenaed. You don't need the actual phone to get the data.

ETA: not all of the info but the info like e-mails in instant messages and so on.

Sorry I should have been more clear. I highly doubt if Abby communicated using the family computer. All her stuff would be on her smart phone. Teenagers use those for facebook and chatting, not some family computer. Those days are gone.