GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - # 3

[vtmeme]

Maybe mom left work early when she couldn't reach Abby. Or maybe there had been a threat or warning against the family recently that prompted her to call LE .Since we know so little everything is "maybe".

 

[Plumeria5]

I don't blame you, but it's like this in almost every missing persons case. It's not just JY's cases. And usually when it's like this, the person is still missing months or even years later.

In Mickey Shunick's case, LE released the camera images of Mickey and the truck following her and the truck's description and one of the tips that broke the case open came from a car dealer employee who was alert and paying attention.

The public is such a valuable, but usually completely ignored and wasted, resource. It's really tragic.

I agree, liltexans! I would like to know the statistics of who actually finds the bodies of missing persons, LE or citizens who just happen upon them. I think overwhelmingly it would be the common citizen or the tips from them.

 

[DanaK]

i don't disagree, but i'm not a local...we handle things differently where i'm from. no one would listen to LE. we'd get on foot, bicycles, in cars, trains, planes, boats, floats, skateboards, surfboards...whatever it took.

willow long, may her tiny special soul rest in peace, was found by volunteer searchers. JC (bf's father) even offered via FB to employ an army of ATV's and locals to search for her. why didn't LE comply? willow's volunteers were carted by bus, amidst heatstroke conditions, for days on end...in this case, according to the FBI map, they haven't even expanded the search to the Canadian border, Portsmouth, or otherwise...why? (trick question, IMO the answer is clear)...

a question for you, if possible to answer...how many kids walk home via the north-south highway route vs. through town? is that a regular thing?

Not many kids walk from school towards walmart. i think Crickets said its a .9 mile driveway and I'd believe it. a few do and I see them disperse around the Walmart / Lowes area. After school jobs maybe?

 

[Eileen730]

or she's walking , vehicle driven by someone she knows told her that he/she will give her a lift since it is on his/her way...

JMO
I think someone was after her she was targeted!

 

[liltexans]

I wish Abby's family would contact an organization like KlaasKids to see if they could help organize searches. Maybe her mom is looking into this.

Of course now I wonder if JY and LE would allow Marc Klaas to come into the area and search.

 

[CatFancier]

A couple of points:

Topix is not an allowed site.

We no longer allow astrology on WS.

No bashing of LE/AG.

 

[Alyssa2013]

It could have been an abduction by someone she knows but for some reason I'm not getting that feeling. For some reason I think it was a stranger abduction. I think this because it would have been very easy for someone to follow her routine to/from school. They would know that she walks alone as well and would have to find the right opportunity and take it. Maybe the day she was abducted was that opportunity.

 

[CMac2]

I think LE has some reason to believe Abigail is no longer alive. That's why their investigation is being conducted more like they're trying to build a criminal case and less like they're trying to find a girl, who may still be alive.

That explains, in my opinion, why they're very lukewarm about public assistance, and are so loose with facts. She made it home, she didn't make it home, she made a phone call 4 hours after she disappeared, she didn't make a phone call 4 hours after she disappeared, she was wearing a gray sweatshirt, no wait she was wearing a black and green striped shirt... the list is endless.

These are all details it's important to nail down in order for the public to be able to assist. Yet these details keep changing- what seemed clear before, or was stated as fact, is now being walked back.

LE maybe doesn't want a perp to know that they know he exists. Maybe that's why they're acting like they know absolutely nothing. Maybe that's why they gave Mom and sister script to read to plead for Abigail's return.

They're going through the motions, but they're play-acting, hoping to trick a perp into becoming over-confident, making a mistake and giving himself up. Just my opinion.

 

[Eileen730]

Do you think it was someone watching her in person (like a neighbor whose house she walks past daily) or someone watching her online (through social media) or both? Or neither?

JMO
I think this person or persons was waiting for the right moment to grab her!
I think it has something to do with her past possibly!
I think she was taken as payback of somekind!

But that's just my theory! and MOO

 

[Mom24]

for an amber alert you have to have at least a vague description of a suspect and a vehicle..... those 2 things are why this did not meet the criteria for an amber alert.... which i think is stupid..... to me if a kid is missing and its not looking like a runaway then most likely the kid isn't missing because they want to be and an amber alert should be issued......

I think that's something a lot of people don't realize. An Amber Alert can only be issued if they have a direct eye witness or video/camera shot of the abduction so they can issue a description of the vehicle and the suspect. Without that they can NOT issue an Amber Alert. Unfortunately in AH's case there is no evidence of an abduction, doesn't mean it didn't occur, they just have no proof of it and without a car description and suspect description they can't do anything. Trouble is, someone may have seen something and not realized what they were witnessing and failed to report it. Unless or until someone comes forward to say they witnessed the abduction, there isn't anything to be done. Fact is, she may not have been picked up, as someone stated she may have been lured into someone's home (an amber alert wouldn't apply if she were taken into someone's home). Or she may have walked to some meeting place. It's obvious someone shut her phone off and the assumption is that when the phone was powered off is when she was abducted or when things went bad. At that time her phone was west of cranmore mountain, she may or may not have been with her phone at that time.

 

[liltexans]

I think LE has some reason to believe Abigail is no longer alive. That's why their investigation is being conducted more like they're trying to build a criminal case and less like they're trying to find a girl, who may still be alive.

That explains, in my opinion, why they're very lukewarm about public assistance, and are so loose with facts. She made it home, she didn't make it home, she made a phone call 4 hours after she disappeared, she didn't make a phone call 4 hours after she disappeared, she was wearing a gray sweatshirt, no wait she was wearing a black and green striped shirt... the list is endless.

These are all details it's important to nail down in order for the public to be able to assist. Yet these details keep changing- what seemed clear before, or was stated as fact, is now being walked back.

LE maybe doesn't want a perp to know that they know he exists. Maybe that's why they're acting like they know absolutely nothing. Maybe that's why they gave Mom and sister script to read to plead for Abigail's return.

They're going through the motions, but they're play-acting, hoping to trick a perp into giving himself up. Just my opinion.

Yes, I think they believe she's not alive. I also can tell that the officers are working very hard. I've seen the photos of the FBI agents going door-to-door and searching rugged terrain. These people are working long hours.

I think it's just very difficult for many of us, especially those of us who are parents, to not place the highest priority on finding the missing person. Even if that person is not alive. It's hard for me, personally, to place a higher value on building a criminal case or protecting an investigation than on finding the missing person.

I get the LE and legal point of view, though. They must work to build their case.

 

[Eileen730]

It could have been an abduction by someone she knows but for some reason I'm not getting that feeling. For some reason I think it was a stranger abduction. I think this because it would have been very easy for someone to follow her routine to/from school. They would know that she walks alone as well and would have to find the right opportunity and take it. Maybe the day she was abducted was that opportunity.

I think the person that took her was a stranger to her but she wasn't a stranger to them,

 

[Mom24]

A couple of points:

Topix is not an allowed site.

We no longer allow astrology on WS.

No bashing of LE/AG.

So sorry Cat, you've been more than patient, and I see your point. It's not helpful to bash the AG. This is about AH and a missing child, not a job evaluation forum.

 

[CatFancier]

Do not discuss people you find info on from Abby's FB page. Not people who like posts or their spouses.

Do not do it at all.

 

[takeitfromme412]

This is an EXTREMELY frustrating case, we are all in agreement with that.... my perception of some of the circumstances is i think that at the very beginning, October 9 and 10 LE was very unsure of what they had here... but i think that based on their initial investigation they felt it was unlikely that she was a runaway, hence why ALL the troops were called in on this.
Kids seem to have a lot more freedom today, less checking in because we are in the age of technology and people are relying on it far too much.
With kids all using social media, cell phones and having more freedom, when a teen in particular goes missing there is soooooo much more "things" to look into to try to put the pieces of the puzzle together

 

[takeitfromme412]

I think the person that took her was a stranger to her but she wasn't a stranger to them,

I agree with this completely

 

[CMac2]

Yes, I think they believe she's not alive. I also can tell that the officers are working very hard. I've seen the photos of the FBI agents going door-to-door and searching rugged terrain. These people are working long hours.

I think it's just very difficult for many of us, especially those of us who are parents, to not place the highest priority on finding the missing person. Even if that person is not alive. It's hard for me, personally, to place a higher value on building a criminal case or protecting an investigation than on finding the missing person.

I get the LE and legal point of view, though. They must work to build their case.

I have no doubt that they're working their @sses off, and are working hard. I also believe this case is top priority.

That said, however, I believe they know a lot of things that we don't, and because of that knowledge, their priorities are different than ours. They have to search for her- because as long as they have no body and no perp it's still possible she's alive. Based on whatever it is they know that we don't, I think they're looking for a perp, a body, and evidence to prove their case in a court of law. That's about the only thing that makes any sense at all to me. Otherwise, they have some serious explaining to do as to why they've managed to actively contradict almost every detail they've released to the public up to this point.

 

[cluciano63]

Even if LE believes she is not alive for some reason...they need to find her. Far too many cases end up without any charges or trial, as not all prosecutors are comfortable with trying cases without the victim's body. Also, many times enough evidence of death does not exist. The priority has to be finding Abigail (and Kortne and Holly and Ayla and Lauren and Kyron and etc...) and then put the pieces together for justice, if a crime has been committed. And they should use the public in any way possible.

JMO

 

[CatFancier]

STOP!

Do not sleuth people who like posts on Abby's FB. I'm wearing out from unapproving posts. Play by our rules please.

 

[Mrs. A]

IMO LE was involved so quickly because she has a regular routine and it clearly was not followed. Could Any evidence of a struggle or something else (forced entry) be present near or at home that LE would not share to protect the case? I feel like she was targeted, watched.

I also wondered if she may have previously suspected danger in her life but I soon doubted that theory as one would think to take extra precaution in that situation.