GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - # 5

[Cardinal47]

If the people of conway believe her to be a runaway or to have taken off with a familiar person, then they aren't concerned. If they believed there was a serial killer or someone trying to abduct numerous kids, I'm sure they'd be paranoid. Their perception is their reality, whether it's right or wrong.

It's almost like they are assuming she took off on her own. Abby wanted to be gone and now she is.

I could believe that with her secret father and the lack of caring by her FB friends but past history of missing girls makes me look in the direction of stranger abduction or worse yet..somebody she trusted.

With the FBI saying they are back at square on makes me think Abby wasn't up to much.

She just got...taken!

 

[Cardinal47]

If the people of conway believe her to be a runaway or to have taken off with a familiar person, then they aren't concerned. If they believed there was a serial killer or someone trying to abduct numerous kids, I'm sure they'd be paranoid. Their perception is their reality, whether it's right or wrong.

I don't believe LE has proof of an abduction and if not, they are hesitant to call her disappearance one. I really do not believe that they have a suspect at all...not seeing any signs of that. But who knows...every LE deals with missing persons in their own way and mostly, not very well, IMO. Find the person, worry about evidence later...jmo.

Well they came right out and said after three weeks they have nothing.

Nobody saw anything, nobody has come forward, Abby hasn't called or texted anybody.

I think Abby met her waterloo...somewhere along that path on the way home.

 

[Cardinal47]

Still, I think word would have leaked out if LE was even talking to, or interviewing anyone, it always does. And LE also operates on local gossip, at least to get things moving. So if a name was coming up often, LE could bring the person in for questioning, or try to, and that is when word usually leaks. And nothing like this seems to be happening. JMO

Heck a few tried to call with tips and the phone rang 10 times with nobody answering so they called the FBI where tips are supposed to go anyway.

But locals...don't count on them!

 

[February]

Just jumping off your post...

My wishful thinking, maybe...

But... Could LE be sending message to public (and to perp) that they "don't have any good clues" (my words) as a pretense so that the perp becomes complacent... Gets sloppy.... And slips up?

Just a thought...:dunno:

it could be
so that it could spare the life of AH too
the perp will not think of hurting her because nobody got any clues on who got her

Imo

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, if LE had an idea of the "who" they would probably know the "where" by now. Not many people have access to unlimited numbers of places to hide/hold a person. And LE would not leave her there one second longer than necessary. Thinking of how quickly a SWAT team descended on the home of Michelle Parker's ex, just on the chance she was there.

 

[AnjL]

What is the FBI referring to her, about her "secret life"? And if they know about it, wouldn't that lead to a suspect?

They may just be using this statement to scare and flush somebody out. Jmo


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[AnjL]

I think that is a stretch. What I think is that they simply do not have anything that will take them anywhere at all. In the forepart of that, as I remember anyway, they said they are no closer than they were on the day she went missing. Meaning they have nothing at all, no ideas, no useful leads and no real hope. They are at a total loss, as though she vanished into thin air.

Or maybe that's what LE wants their POI to believe, so that he will let his guard down?


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[white rabbit]

I agree that folks have a idea of who they believe the perp is. But HOW would LE get 2000 people to keep their mouths shut. There is no way they could keep the entire community quiet.

agreed...LE isn't keeping them quiet, they're doing that themselves. no one wants to be the whistle-blower for "one of their own". LE can't prove it, obviously, and neither can they.

we all agree this is a small town...and they're knit pretty tightly from what we've seen with their search & media efforts. but that doesn't mean they truly keep tabs on each other's every move. the whereabouts of one (or more) members of the community from @ 3 to 7pm that day are unaccounted for, IMO...just don't know who. or where.

came across this...it says "upgraded to abduction 10/11/13". not sure what that means...

http://newenglandtracks.com/2013/11/02/abigail-hernandez-missing-conway-nh-oct-10-20132-jpg/

 

[TxLady2]

Proof is the operative word. The LE deal with facts, emotionless facts, and they may have their gut instincts but they have to go where the facts lead them and it sounds like the facts are few.

Yes, and in all fairness, they have to find some clues/evidence before they can find the person. In some of these missing cases, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack... where do they look? Without something to indicate whether she ran away or was abducted, they can't put a classification on it, so that limits what they can do.

 

[adnil1962]

I looked on google and it appears that they do go in to one another about 7.5 miles up. Unless I have the wrong road up...yeah it would be great if a local could verify

Dundee Road is a long mountain (not very well maintained) road that connects Rt 16A in Intervale to Jackson. 16A is accessed off Rt 16 after the scenic overlook - several miles north of North Conway (no where close to Abby's school or home).

 

[rizzo0904]

Dundee Road is a long mountain (not very well maintained) road that connects Rt 16A in Intervale to Jackson. 16A is accessed off Rt 16 after the scenic overlook - several miles north of North Conway (no where close to Abby's school or home).

AH does have a connection to Dundee Road though, so it wouldn't be surprising for her to be there.

 

[adnil1962]

Oh really ? Ok so she could easily have friends , really close ones, in another town / area that shes' still close enough to but are not a part of her normal routine. That's kind of what I was driving at. Her friends see her with her friends and school and would say to LE her friends are a, b, c , d and e! But those friends may not take into account j, k and l from her old town 18 months ago or something. So in a way she's likely closer with her friends from her old town than the new town so I'm hoping LE is talking with all of them as well about what they know.

We have only one High School that covers Bartlett, Jackson, Glen, and North Conway (and several other area towns), so all of her friends would be at Kennett. A few might be at Fryeburg Academy, but with an $18K price tag for those not living in Fryeburg, likely very few.

 

[white rabbit]

IMO, if LE had an idea of the "who" they would probably know the "where" by now. Not many people have access to unlimited numbers of places to hide/hold a person. And LE would not leave her there one second longer than necessary. Thinking of how quickly a SWAT team descended on the home of Michelle Parker's ex, just on the chance she was there.

agreed, and IMO the locals would know exactly 'where'...you can bet your off-road vehicle that they have an intimate knowledge of crawford notch and mt. washington...both of which would fall within a four hour round-trip travel time frame.

yet LE never expanded the search outside of the cranmore area. i don't understand that. dylan redwine's search covered just as treacherous terrain.

my sigh's of frustration are getting louder...:blushing:

 

[skibaboo]

I have no doubts locals have their suspicions, I think some may have alluded to it, but of course WS doesn't allow rumours, which is what they are at this time. Just because we don't hear about them doesn't mean they don't exist. We are not privy to what people talk about in private. MOO

 

[Lucky 1]

I have to respectfully disagree on not having "access to unlimited numbers of places to hide/hold a person". Unfortunately there are unlimited places....out in the National Forest in a tent, seldom/never used vacation homes/cabins, abandoned buildings, caves, etc. A local would know exactly which vacation cabins get used on a regular basis and which ones don't, even when the owners generally show up.

:twocents:

 

[CMac2]

agreed...LE isn't keeping them quiet, they're doing that themselves. no one wants to be the whistle-blower for "one of their own". LE can't prove it, obviously, and neither can they.

we all agree this is a small town...and they're knit pretty tightly from what we've seen with their search & media efforts. but that doesn't mean they truly keep tabs on each other's every move. the whereabouts of one (or more) members of the community from @ 3 to 7pm that day are unaccounted for, IMO...just don't know who. or where.

came across this...it says "upgraded to abduction 10/11/13". not sure what that means...

http://newenglandtracks.com/2013/11/02/abigail-hernandez-missing-conway-nh-oct-10-20132-jpg/

The "upgraded to abduction" stuff was apparently an error that was made shortly after Abby disappeared. LE has said they do not know if Abby was abducted or not, and are investigating this case a "missing person".

I'm not so sure the town's quiet has anything to do with protecting one of their own. After all, Abby is one of their own too. I believe they would say something if they knew anything for sure.

It's more likely, in my opinion, that some people have a "feeling" about what happened, they have their suspicions, but they have nothing concrete to base those suspicions on. Therefore they've elected to remain quiet. They don't want to look like a fool later, nor do they want the responsibility of accidentally leading LE in the wrong direction, should their suspicions be incorrect.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

agreed...LE isn't keeping them quiet, they're doing that themselves. no one wants to be the whistle-blower for "one of their own". LE can't prove it, obviously, and neither can they.

we all agree this is a small town...and they're knit pretty tightly from what we've seen with their search & media efforts. but that doesn't mean they truly keep tabs on each other's every move. the whereabouts of one (or more) members of the community from @ 3 to 7pm that day are unaccounted for, IMO...just don't know who. or where.

came across this...it says "upgraded to abduction 10/11/13". not sure what that means...

http://newenglandtracks.com/2013/11/02/abigail-hernandez-missing-conway-nh-oct-10-20132-jpg/

Are you saying residents might be protecting someone? How long has Abigail and her family been living in the area? Would people in a small town protect someone, especially a "good ol' boy"?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I have to respectfully disagree on not having "access to unlimited numbers of places to hide/hold a person". Unfortunately there are unlimited places....out in the National Forest in a tent, seldom/never used vacation homes/cabins, abandoned buildings, caves, etc. A local would know exactly which vacation cabins get used on a regular basis and which ones don't, even when the owners generally show up.

:twocents:

But if LE had a suspect, wouldn't they track his car or follow him, and find out about this hiding spot?

 

[cluciano63]

Are you saying residents might be protecting someone? How long has Abigail and her family been living in the area? Would people in a small town protect someone, especially a "good ol' boy"?

I don't believe that, unless we are talking a real backwoods "Deliverance" sort of place...crimes against children generally bring out the urge for anger and justice in everyone. JMO

 

[white rabbit]

Are you saying residents might be protecting someone? How long has Abigail and her family been living in the area? Would people in a small town protect someone, especially a "good ol' boy"?

mmm...not exactly. let's not use the word 'protect'. maybe 'can't quite put a finger on'. or, 'fear'...

like what skibaboo said...we have no idea what the locals are discussing. for all we know a POI has been named behind closed doors and quietly crucified for what he/she/they have done with abigail. we simply don't know. just because it's not on facebook doesn't mean it isn't taking place.

also agree with cluciano, a crime against a child brings out rage in local folks...we only saw MSM's reporting of earnest volunteers in willow long's case. we don't know that they weren't cursing JD (the suspect in custody) with every breath they took and every move they made through those fields...