NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female & 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00 #2

[Alleykins]

Any reasons why you have suspected Sarah's father was on east coast? I am curious. I had no idea of his ties to CT up until few days ago and it would be great to know once for all.

Based on public death records, citing time and place of his death.

 

[Al Ka]

I have looked again into Ingleside, Tx. Few thoughts - Why did Terry and middle's child mum settled there? In year 2000 it had population around 9k so in 70s probably half of that. Tiny city on the coast with not much to do there. Or she had family from around there, or it was a job. Middle child was also born in that timeframe.

There were some naval coastguards and marines already there at that time. In 1977 local news article mentioned that “Brown & Root”Company invested over billion dollar project in Ingleside. “Brown & Root” is construction company but there were doing also gas and oil pipelines, plus oil rigs... Which makes me think that Terry and MC's mum might have been in area for longer continues time, (similar to his longer time in NH) - since their family visit (75/76) up until summer 78 when Terry left for California.

I know 78 said employment in “Brown & Root”Company in Houston, but it crossed my mind that that is actually their headquaters. Is it possible that he worked actually at that time frame still in Ingleside for them on that huge project rather than Houston, and Houston is mentioned only due to company official address? Only reason I keep thinking about this is when I am being asked by whom I am employed I usually give official address of HQ. Not sure if that is sometimes done in US too?

Now help me with the timeframe - Terry's family visit approx Dec 75 or 76 stating that he and new woman already live in Ingleside. I personally lean on for that to be Dec 76, however that would not jive with other information such as -

Sarah, youngest child was born in Dec 77. Middle's child is believed to be older than Sarah. Would that mean that she was already born when Terry visited his own family end of Dec 76, or she was born shortly after, first part of 77? Which would mean woman would be heavily pregnant during Dec visit? But she was not or at least it was not mentioned anywhere. Something does not make sense here.

If the visit was year prior, in Dec 75, it would make more sense and enough time for middle child to be born whenever in 76 and still be somewhat noticebly older than Sarah.

This was Terry's new start over, with his new family. Even though it is not know in which state he met MC's mum, they did spend considerate time together in this part of Texas.

Now, local Ingleside newspapers are quite detailed. Lots of birthdays, engagement, marriage and obituary notices with even more details who was present and even what they wore. Often photos too. I have browsed most of 77, but I guess if anyone wants to go ahead and browse more important 76 - here are links to local newsarchives. I was mostly looking for DUI, but anyone can search for any luck for his surname popping up or anything other important happening there in the small city in 76.

You never know, we might come across some important local news - link to free local archives for those who wish to help in search - Search Results - The Ingleside Index - 52 Results - The Portal to Texas History

 

[carbuff]

Same TV, perhaps same horse, but I'm not sure it's the same house. TV cord in first pic goes across the wall, not in the second pic. Do we know the date of the second picture?

It could be the same stuff in the same room.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't even want to swear it's the same TV. That was a very common style. The pics are too fuzzy to be sure but the TV in #3 appears to have a slightly different frame around the screen, and slightly different material in the side panel. Maybe.

If it's the same room, stuff has been moved around. Picture #3 has a teapot or mug or something where the TV in #2 has a picture frame and some kind of large decorative object. The horse is on the floor or very low stand to our left of the TV in #3 but on a shelf to the right in #2. Things that could easily have been moved around, though.

 

[Paul B.]

the quality of most old domestic cameras is fuzzy and poor tbf.

 

[carbuff]

the quality of most old domestic cameras is fuzzy and poor tbf.

Yeah, and the prints discolor and deteriorate over the years.

 

[AliceInPain]

I'm thinking of filling in this FOIA request form here:
MuckRock

re Terry Rasmussen, details not made public.

Any suggestions how to do this?

Here are the ones someone requested in the Lyle Stevik case, for reference.
MuckRock

 

[Keishi]

I know 78 said employment in “Brown & Root”Company in Houston, but it crossed my mind that that is actually their headquaters. Is it possible that he worked actually at that time frame still in Ingleside for them on that huge project rather than Houston, and Houston is mentioned only due to company official address? Only reason I keep thinking about this is when I am being asked by whom I am employed I usually give official address of HQ. Not sure if that is sometimes done in US too?


You never know, we might come across some important local news - link to free local archives for those who wish to help in search - Search Results - The Ingleside Index - 52 Results - The Portal to Texas History

Ingleside, TX is within commuting distance to Corpus Christi so it's not as small a population area as it might appear on a map. Corpus Christi had a population of 200,000+ in the 1970's and 1980's. There was an oil boom in this area around this time, and there were nationwide ads going out to attract skilled workers to go there to work.

Information about the corporate office headquarters and how workers didn't necessarily go to that address for their job has been discussed earlier in this thread.

Folieadeuxnola: "The companies "Corporate Office" was in Houston, TX .... that address is not where the labor force "electrician" would work out of..."
^ That post is here


Great resource with the Texas newspapers! I'm making a note to look through those more soon.

 

[Al Ka]

Information about the corporate office headquarters and how workers didn't necessarily go to that address for their job has been discussed earlier in this thread.

Folieadeuxnola: "The companies "Corporate Office" was in Houston, TX .... that address is not where the labor force "electrician" would work out of..."
^ That post is here

Great resource with the Texas newspapers! I'm making a note to look through those more soon.

Wow, Folie made that post 3 years ago, in Feb 2017, in Terry's 1st thread. I had no idea that my recent thoughts about him Not working for “Brown & Root” in Houston HQ but in Ingleside area was confirmed by Folie 3 years ago . I mean, she did not specify Ingleside but stated that workers would be elsewhere, not HQ. Thank you Folie. I should be rereading old threads to refresh other details.

So we can place him Ingleside Tx in around 75 or 76 (when visited his family stating he lived there)
- maybe in 77 (this year “Brown & Root” launched huge billion $ project in Ingleside)
- and very likely in first half of 78 as he is confirmed working for “Brown & Root” and project is in the Ingleside, city he already knows

- he also made call to his friend somteimes in 78 asking him for money, stating he is working on Tx oilrigs (Brown & Root do supply construction work, pipes etc to oilrigs which are just next to Ingleside), so some of that call might have been true

We do know that middle child was born in between those years, so it is very likely she spent considerable time, or most of those years (76 - first half 78) it in that area. Definitely worth to zoom in more on that area (Ingleside/Corpus Christi).

Last thing, one of the many Terry's statements were - He said he spent time in Denver, Colo., and claims he married a Denise LaPorte in Roanoke, Va., who he claimed was murdered in Corpus Christi, Texas.

Think about that... Was he talking about Denise or middle's child mum?

 

[Al Ka]

Sorry for overposting but I also have to mention something I noticed few weeks ago and I have not seen mentioned it here before.

I finally checked the map as I am not familiar with mentioned places and I have noticed certain pattern in Terry's travels. He often comebacks years later to the areas he lived before and lives there again for some time. I have not noticed that before, as area 1 mile away from his previous place would have different name so without looking at map most of us not local would not know.

To make it more clear, I will name areas A, B and C

Area A - Near San Francisco - Redwood City, CA; Palo Alto, CA - lived there in 1970 with his first family/wife and his son is borned there

Area B - Ingleside, TX - lived there Dec 1975 or 1976

Area C - Near Los Angeles - where he met and lived with Marlyse sometimes in 2nd half of 78 (area La Puente, CA, Hawaiian Gardens, CA)

Now, look at his travel after 1981 in NH.

Verified insider said that they suspect that he stayed in Tx area (Area B) for some time in his unknown years between end of 1981 and March 1984, on his journey from NH east coast to west coast. That would mean he is back in the that same approximate area where he lived with middle child and child's mum just around 4 or 5 years earlier, but now comes to the area with Denise and Lisa (probably under alias we are not yet aware off).

March 84 - May 85 - he moves back to the area C - Los Angeles area - Los Alamitos, CA. This has my head really scratching. So after 6 years he comes back with baby Lisa and probably Denise or someone else to the area where Marlyse lived for very long time, where he met her, where her mum lives, where her first ex still lived and also 2nd ex husband who likely knew Terry too. He comes back after her and both children MURDER to that same area he took them from, and on top of it now using new name. I know it is quite populated area but still, would you call it risky or arrogant?

Than after car crash he goes back with Lisa in Jan 1986 right back in the area A - RV Park in Scotts Valley. Right next to place where he used to live with his first family and children in 1970. Using new name.

Murder of Eunsoon in 2001 in Richmond - that is also Area A, right next to San Francisco. Using new name.

I have left out area of Phoenix Arizona as I am not concentrating on that area at the moment, but he actually came back to live there 3 times (lived there with his bio family, came back to live there from Hawaii with his 1st wife and came back to live there from Ca in 1973, again with the first wife)

Last thought - after he left Area C with Marlyse sometimes after Dec 78 but before Dec 79 and was moving to east coast it is fair to say he probably stopped on the way with her and her children in Area B (Ingleside, Tx) again - where I assume middle child would still be with someone at this point. I wonder if he picked her up than or came back year or two later from NH and went back to NH again with her.

With not much sleep, please feel free to let me know if my thoughts are completely out there, far reaching or if they are making some sense.

 

[carbuff]

This missing woman and child were just recently added to Namus:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

"Betty Loggins Emmett (NamUs #MP68758) and her four-month-old daughter Holly Ann Emmett were last seen at their home in Gainesville, Hall County, Georgia on October 27, 1977. Betty’s husband/Holly’s father reported Betty took Holly and left their home at approximately 1:00 a.m. Betty told her husband that she was leaving the state but did not say where she was going. An unknown vehicle drove up and to pick Betty and Holly up. Betty went back inside the home to grab her clothes and then left. Betty and Holly have not been seen or heard from since."

Things to note:

* the baby was less than a year old in 1977, making her 3-4 in 1980.
* Betty left with somebody.
* Betty is a nickname for Elizabeth.

Big negative: totally doesn't match the isotopes.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

How reliable are isotopes?

 

[carbuff]

How reliable are isotopes?

As far as I know the test itself is pretty accurate. What isn't always accurate is how they map to reality. It's a very large country with a lot of variation of geography and climate, both of which affect isotopes, and there are often small pockets of a different isotope within a larger area.

The experts tend to focus on large areas that match but if you look closely at most isotope maps, there are little dots scattered around the country. I haven't looked to see whether this part of Georgia might be in one of those side pockets.

I also don't know in this case whether the baby is young enough that she would show the isotopes of wherever she and her mother moved to rather than the Georgia ones where she was born.

 

[bluejeanbaby]

This is really interesting! It looks like a lot of TPR's aliases came from Georgia too and it was confirmed that he spent some time there.

 

[carbuff]

I think Ronda Randall has a blog post about Betty and baby, but I haven't had time to look at it yet.

 

[sonz82]

This missing woman and child were just recently added to Namus:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

"Betty Loggins Emmett (NamUs #MP68758) and her four-month-old daughter Holly Ann Emmett were last seen at their home in Gainesville, Hall County, Georgia on October 27, 1977. Betty’s husband/Holly’s father reported Betty took Holly and left their home at approximately 1:00 a.m. Betty told her husband that she was leaving the state but did not say where she was going. An unknown vehicle drove up and to pick Betty and Holly up. Betty went back inside the home to grab her clothes and then left. Betty and Holly have not been seen or heard from since."

Things to note:

* the baby was less than a year old in 1977, making her 3-4 in 1980.
* Betty left with somebody.
* Betty is a nickname for Elizabeth.

Big negative: totally doesn't match the isotopes.

I came here to suggest these two also. Its a good possibility, was he ever in Georgia?

 

[bluejeanbaby]

I came here to suggest these two also. Its a good possibility, was he ever in Georgia?

yes

 

[carbuff]

I came here to suggest these two also. Its a good possibility, was he ever in Georgia?

Yes, and it's apparently where he stole some of his false identities.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

It amazes me that we now so much but yet ... very little .. new town new alias and it went on for some many years. Bewilders how many more vi

I'm thinking of filling in this FOIA request form here:
MuckRock

re Terry Rasmussen, details not made public.

Any suggestions how to do this?

Here are the ones someone requested in the Lyle Stevik case, for reference.
MuckRock

Geaux For It Alice ....

 

[cvaldez1975]

When they say she had shoveled teeth, it makes me think she was half native. Now we know that he went to Canada at some point in his life, and I believe the podcast said he actually lived there at one point. I guess what I'm getting at is could her mother have been Canadian?

but she was most likely to have been from CA, AZ, NM or TX. they all also ahve high NA population

 

[cvaldez1975]

I came across this California UID last night as I was reading other threads. The race mixture matches up. Only concern is body could have been there 3-20 years. So I wonder if their age estimate can be really off due to that.

1222UFCA

i looked at the area on google. its a very southeast asian area. i feel like middle child's mom is NA.

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