NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female & 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00

[killarney rose]

Its been awhile since I've been on or read on this thread......

Just some musings.....

The killer had to be familiar with the area. Had to know the woods by the trailer park were a dumping are and that the bodies wouldn't be found soon, if ever.


That leads me to think he lived in that town or in the trailer park at some point. If he didnt live in it, he most likely often visited someone that did.

I doubt he lives there now. He had already moved away by the time he left the bodies.

 

[Woodland]

Was thinking of the same possibilities kr - so little can be found about John Wood - what he did for a living, where he lived prior to living with new wife Judith and her children etc. Did he move in with her, did she move in with him, did they find a new place together?

It also looks like a pretty straight and relatively short run from Swanzey (where PA Wood lived) to Allenstown.

 

[carbuff]

Its been awhile since I've been on or read on this thread......

Just some musings.....

The killer had to be familiar with the area. Had to know the woods by the trailer park were a dumping are and that the bodies wouldn't be found soon, if ever.


That leads me to think he lived in that town or in the trailer park at some point. If he didnt live in it, he most likely often visited someone that did.

I doubt he lives there now. He had already moved away by the time he left the bodies.

Good thought. The site is also quite near a busy and popular campground, and one of the buildings nearby used to be a convenience store that catered to the campers. So maybe it was someone camping with his family who made up an excuse when he got home about his wife leaving him, or something like that.

 

[carbuff]

No new ruleouts on the mother's profile as of 1 August 2014

 

[bflocket]

I thought of this case recently when Marcia and Elizabeth Honsch were identified. They were apparently killed by their husband/father, who moved many states away to start a new life and new family after killing his first one.
With the deceased being determined to be related, that is likely similar to what happened in NH

I just don't see a mother abandoning her child without trying to track the child.

When I saw what imnotfussy said, I immediately thought of the interview of Aileen's mother in Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer. What a vile, wretched old hag!
It's a great movie/documentary if you haven't seen it. It will make you take the serial killer's side by the end. To me, it did more than making me "feel sorry" for a killer because of their crappy childhood/life or just kind of understanding why they're so screwed up. It made me kind of start to actually care about poor, crazy Aileen.



I personally don't see how a mother (or father) could have such little regard for their kid, even killing them in order to be with who they want, but it happens a lot more than we'd like to admit.



This young lady (Alexis Botello, 17) was actually making up excuses for her boyfriend after she'd watched him beat and STOMP their young daughter to death.
She didn't actually harm the child herself, from what I can tell, but to have watched this happen and then try to protect the perpetrator is inexcusable to say the least.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...th-of-girlfriends-19-month-old-daughter.html/

 

[Earth]

Also, wanted to add the NamUs links to this, each Doe has an individual page and case number:
Adult female: https://identifyus.org/cases/2174
5-10 Year old female: https://identifyus.org/cases/2173
4-8 year old (says unsure) : https://identifyus.org/cases/2175
1-3 year old (says unsure): https://identifyus.org/cases/2176

And these two missing persons have been ruled out:
Ella Beth Lodermeier
Melissa Bustamante

Contact links for the ME in New Hampshire are on the above NamUs...

I had a few ideas as to who the older woman might be. They all slightly resemble, in my opinion, the woman, even just slightly, but it's worth a shot.
Dorothy Clitheroe, 14, vanished 1973
Amy Billig, 17, vanished 1974
Wendy Eaton, 15, vanished 1975
Jan Cotta, 18, vanished 1973
Kathleen Ann Shea, 6, vanished 1965
Patricia Spencer, 16, vanished 1969
Sherry Pickle, 15, vanished 1972

 

[dotr]

I had a few ideas as to who the older woman might be. They all slightly resemble, in my opinion, the woman, even just slightly, but it's worth a shot.
Dorothy Clitheroe, 14, vanished 1973
Amy Billig, 17, vanished 1974
Wendy Eaton, 15, vanished 1975
Jan Cotta, 18, vanished 1973
Kathleen Ann Shea, 6, vanished 1965
Patricia Spencer, 16, vanished 1969
Sherry Pickle, 15, vanished 1972

Welcome to Ws and thanks for all the great potential matches!

 

[Earth]

Welcome to Ws and thanks for all the great potential matches!

OK.
I looked up women born around the time JD would have, and I saw most of the ones I chose had resembled her, mostly in the nose and facial structure.
Jan Cotta was pregnant at the time and her child would have been born around December 1973. The child aged 4-8 seems to match with that.
Kathleen Ann Shea was only a child, but it could be a Dugard case. (If it was, then her life was SERIOUSLY ruined.)
Sherry Pickle had an unknown male companion with her. they didn't provide a name, so he might have well have been the killer.
In the woman's picture, she had a bang (?) on her hair, and Wendy Eaton had a similar one, though I don't know if it was the right side.
Amy Billig also has the bangs.
Dorothy Clitheroe has a very remarkable facial structure, like the woman.
Patricia Ann Spencer had the bangs.
Kathleen and Wendy both vanished from Pennsylvania, and Jan vanished from New Jersey, both of which are a day's journey from New Hampshire. (Of course, like Parnell did with Steven Stayner, they could have moved around.)
In my opinion, Jan and Sherry seem the most likely candidates, but whoever did this, if they're not in prison already, deserve to be.

 

[Earth]

I've done a bit of research and I think I have a few reasons for each.
JD was about 66 inches, around 5'5. I'm doing the height for the missing girls.
Dorothy Clitheroe was 5'3 - 5'4. Although c.8 years is enough time to grow an inch, even grown up.
Kathleen Ann Shea's height can't be worked out.
Amy Billig was 5'5. JD had wavy hair. So did Amy.
Sherry Pickle was 5'4 and JD had wavy hair. So did Sherry, and it was the right color, making her a likely candidate. Sherry had fractured her ankle (don't know which one), so if JD had an ankle fracture, it could be useful.
Wendy Eaton was 4'10, but very Dugard/Cleveland conditions can do quite a lot of things to people. I doubt Wendy is JD, but it's worth comparing.
Patricia Spencer had wavy hair (slightly), as well as it being the right color. Also, she was 5'3, 5'4.
Jan Cotta had the right sort of hair, a fractured wrist and lower left arm, as well as being 5'4.
As I previously said, Jan and Sherry seemed to me the most likely identities, so if JD had fractures in those areas, they may be identified.
NOTE: If Jan Cotta is JD and (given the ages) if her child IS the older little girl then why would (if she WAS abducted) a guy let a hostage have another guy's baby. Unless he WAS the father...it's not known who was the baby's father.
That, with the location and similar facial structure, as well as the age, does make Jan the one I think is most likely to be JD.
Although I also highly suspect Sherry and Patricia.

 

[Roselvr]

Would love to see this solved!

 

[Earth]

It seems that people have been thinking outside the box, not just assuming a woman and her three children murdered. As far as I can see, there are three possibilities.
1 - The murderer brought them from the West Coast, Midwest or somewhere like Florida. Could be a trucker or like John Edward Robinson.
2 - The murderer was a loner/hermit and killed them in an argument. Maybe the woman lost touch with her family beforehand and they never reported her.
3 - This is a Dugard/Cleveland case. This theory is my favorite and it seems some people have thought in that direction, since Nancy Baird (abducted from a Utah gas station in 1975) and Cynthia Goodling (hitch-hiking to a party in Florida in 1975) have been ruled out. If it is any of the girls I've previously mentioned, my money is on Jan Cotta.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cotta_jan.html

 

[alllads]

It seems that people have been thinking outside the box, not just assuming a woman and her three children murdered. As far as I can see, there are three possibilities.
1 - The murderer brought them from the West Coast, Midwest or somewhere like Florida. Could be a trucker or like John Edward Robinson.
2 - The murderer was a loner/hermit and killed them in an argument. Maybe the woman lost touch with her family beforehand and they never reported her.
3 - This is a Dugard/Cleveland case. This theory is my favorite and it seems some people have thought in that direction, since Nancy Baird (abducted from a Utah gas station in 1975) and Cynthia Goodling (hitch-hiking to a party in Florida in 1975) have been ruled out. If it is any of the girls I've previously mentioned, my money is on Jan Cotta.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cotta_jan.html

One thing pointing away from Jan Cotta is her club foot though - that would show up on the skeletal, and is unique enough that I believe it would have been mentioned about UID.

 

[Earth]

How about these? They vanished in the area.
http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/959832/1
http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/1078814/1

 

[carbuff]

Ruleouts for the mother https://identifyus.org/cases/2174:

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:

First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

Nancy Baird 1952 Utah
Rachael Garden 1964 New Hampshire
Sharon Giusti 1943 Washington
Cynthia Goodling 1958 Florida
Rhonda Labbe 1956 Massachusetts
Ella Beth Lodermeier 1948 South Dakota
Anne Manchester 1954 Delaware
Aleca Manning 1952 Arizona
Linda Nickell 1955 Michigan
Patricia Otto 1952 Idaho
Kristina Perkins 1953 Arizona
Wanda Priddy 1958 Texas
Laureen Rahn 1966 New Hampshire
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Diane Schulte 1954 Idaho
Kimberly Stewart 1956 California

 

[CarlK90245]

I thought it might be helpful to do more lifelike portrayals of what these four females might have looked like.

To get to an overall look for their faces, i am going with the theory that they were Albanian immigrants, as suggested by WS member RT51.

I live very near Allenstown. It is a very small poor town, with a few trailer parks. It is possible they were transients looking for work. (not the children, of course) This area is also high for Albanian transplants. There are a couple of small factories in the area that pay little so hire many of the transplants.

Allenstown is about 10 miles north of the major city of Manchester. (Largest city in NH with about 120K residents)

Looking at the facial structures depicted in the NCMEC recons, I do sort of get a Balkans vibe, particularly with the adult and the oldest girl. So I took the facial structures provided by NCMEC, and gave them typical Albanian faces. And just for good measure, I threw in a subtle Albanian flag image on the oldest girl's shirt, (But remember that there is no evidence that I know of to suggest that they are Albanian, and we should not presume that they are Albanian).

Keep in mind that these are just approximations of how these young ladies might have looked in life, and are not intended to be exact portrayals.

 

[carbuff]

Those are very interesting, Carl. Nice work as always.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Hi all, I don't usually post on the UID forum, and I applaud those of you who do.

I had a conversation recently where CODIS was brought up, and a point that would matter to all of you, I think...

DNA is already in CODIS for many of the victims brought up here. Hence, if DNA was already tested....they would NOT be any of the above...because CODIS would have flagged as a match. Do you know what I mean?

 

[Roselvr]

Carl; you did an awesome job on the family recons!

Made an album on Never Forget Me
NH- Adult Female and 3 Children- Allenstown New Hampshire

 

[Earth]

How do i get someone to DNA-check any of the women I've suggested so far? Is anybody reading this that can do checks, because I can't contact NamUs?

 

[Earth]

Right, Jan Cotta, Wendy Eaton and Amy Billig are in CODIS so that might rule them out.
I'd like it if NamUs could name those that are in CODIS in the ruled out area.