NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #2

[crystal72]

But even if he crossed paths, how would he know their birthdate? It's not something someone routinely gives out during a conversation.[/QUOTE


If he was a handyman he could be hired to do jobs inside homes and if he is as personable as ppl have said then it would be easy for him to gain enough of a persons trust to be left alone while he did his job and he could go through ppls belongings.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Is Denise Daneault related to Denise Beaudin? The obituary for Joseph Daneault lists him as having a sister named Irene Beaudin, so these two missing females may be related. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/joseph-daneault-obituary?pid=1000000003578972

Don't know but the obituary also said this: Mr. Daneault was a Certified Operating Room Technician at the VA Hospital in Manchester for 30 years.

Didn't LE say they thought Bob Evans may have worked with/for/around the VA Hospital or something like that? I thought in the presser? Am I remembering this wrong?

 

[crystal72]

Someone had an earlier post about how he obtained his alias's via identity theft. The first thing that comes to mind for me is working at a bar/store that sells alcohol where you have to check ID's. Your checking birth dates and he could have remembered the full name as well. I'm referring to Curtis Kimball, the Mayo would be easy to remember because it's very different; however, there is no indication he had any employment as a bartender though.

I found a Doe that was found with some items that interested me in regards to Evans case. Just to clarify, I don't think this Doe is anyway connected to Evans.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/969umnc.html
He was found with a stolen ID, which leads me to wonder if authorities ever contacted the real Curtis Kimball to see if he ever lost an ID during the 1980's. The victim also had a list of places he supposedly worked and a semi-autobiography which reminds me of Evans'. None of the info could be verified (except for his most current employment) and I wonder if he had it to keep up with his alias's background much like what is expected out of Evans' autobiography. Interesting.

As for the aliases- in the mid-late 80s I wasn't quite old enough(16) to get a leg paying job so what I and a friend did was to take our birth certificates and make copies and also type numbers on another piece of paper and we would cut whichever numbers we needed to add or change our date of birth and we used clear scotch tape to put the new numbers where we needed the then made another copy so the tape wouldn't show up
we then took it down to the tag agency and got a state issued ID with the new info on it. It was surprisingly easy so you could do that with letters as well and change your name.

We also used other friends birth certificates to get drivers licenses. You just had to have someone around same height and weight ( weight isn't important because it fluctuates) and hair can be colored so really you just needed the height close. Back then there were no fingerprint checks and such. Sometimes we overthink things
and miss the obvious. A person I knew that was into every shady thing under the sun told me that the more obvious you are the less likely you will get caught. Ppl pay no attention if you act like you are what you say its when you start stammering or stuttering.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I'm hitting a dead end on Robert or Bob Evans. There is nothing for anyone born on March 18 in either 1942 or 1952. When I run a search for all Robert or Bob Evans in NH they come up with totally different birthdates. So he must not have done much to get into any records. I'm still searching any licenses he may have had. Somewhere I read he was the master electrician at Waumbec, that would require a license if that's correct. I was hoping I'd find some previous activity under the Robert Evans name that would lead me to where he was before he went to NH. I'll keep digging.

I still think he got "Bob Evans" from the restaurant in the midwest, probably Ohio or Indiana.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Yesterday I posted speculation relating to the observation of one of the arresting officers in the Jun case (Roxane Gruenheid) that RE had an eastern accent. Based on public searches, it appears that Ms. Gruenheid may be from the Long Island, NY area - where many people have a distinct accent.

Theory of RE origin: He was raised in the tri-state area (outer burrough NYC, Long Island, NJ suburbs, Fairfield County CT), Providence area or Boston area. His accent was distinct enough to be recognizable in subtle ways to a native of the northeast area, but not pronounced enough to stand out to folks from CA as being remarkable. Hence his surprise at, having blended in so often in CA, to be called out by Ms. Gruenheid.

I further would guess that he originally hailed from a middle or upper-middle class family, somewhat belying his vagabond lifestyle and employment prospects as an adult. Very broadly speaking, strong regional accents suggest lower economic station; subtler accents suggest higher economic station, but likely rule out Manhattan or Philips Exeter. He was obviously intelligent, charismatic and well-spoken -- as most serial killers are -- social abilities that were possibly fostered in a comfortable enough upbringing, though they could of course simply be innate or learned in other settings.

Finally, I suspect extreme trauma or abuse in the early teen years for a prolonged period of time, events which caused a complete schism with family, the necessity of becoming self-sufficient as a teenager (electrical/mechanical skills, military enlistment) - courses that would in many cases have been avoidable for someone of his family's milieu.

I'm guessing he was from NYC environs (dead match to Ms. Gruenhein's ear) or Boston environs (familiarity with southern NH area allows him to "spread his wings" as a serial killer before desperation forces him to hit the road and adjust to itinerant circumstances in often unfamiliar turf).

I have suspected he was from the Connecticut or Boston area as well. There is a cluster of missing girls there in the period before he turned up in New Hampshire and while in NH as well. I noticed that the travel time from New Hampshire is not too far. This has been weighing on the back of my mind. I don't know if I saved my notes on these women. Computer crashed and I'm not sure. If I find them, I will share.

 

[carbuff]

Is Denise Daneault related to Denise Beaudin? The obituary for Joseph Daneault lists him as having a sister named Irene Beaudin, so these two missing females may be related. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/joseph-daneault-obituary?pid=1000000003578972

They're both fairly common french-canadian names, but it's an intriguing thought.

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[Owutatangledweb]

Okay, I'm not really confident in the find I'm about to post, mainly due to the sketch of the guy. But, the timing and circumstances are too much to ignore. Even if the guy doesn't fit Bob Evans, the girl may have run into Bob Evans later and could be middle child mom. OR, there were other guys that walked away from the same mental hospital in that time period that could have popped up later as Evans. There are apparently 6 or 7 of these guys unaccounted for. Anyway, I picked this up off of the Joseph Newton Chandler thread where someone posted about this guy.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110933&d=1487402765

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eens-6-April-1977&highlight=judith+anne+brown

http://www.nampn.org/cases/brown_judith.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/3070/423

http://annclay.wixsite.com/avoice4judithbrown/information

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110933&d=1487402765

http://www.nytimes.com/1977/11/01/a...of-controversy-creedmore-open-gates.html?_r=1

 

[Kiln Wood]

Don't know but the obituary also said this: Mr. Daneault was a Certified Operating Room Technician at the VA Hospital in Manchester for 30 years.

Didn't LE say they thought Bob Evans may have worked with/for/around the VA Hospital or something like that? I thought in the presser? Am I remembering this wrong?

Yes at "NH VA," yes in the presser, and no, you are not "remembering this wrong." I had elaborated on this scenario in Post No. 309 back in #1; if you have the time and the interest, you may want to take a look.

 

[1mtroyal]

Latest from the investigators: http://www.unionleader.com/crime/Tips-pour-in-about-Allenstown-murders-02242017

 

[sloane7777]

So when he changed his name from Robert Evans to Gordon C Jenson, he also changed Denise's name to Donna Laport(e) Jenson and Dawn to Lisa Jenson. He ditched Dawn/Lisa, moved to Idaho and change his name to Gerald E Mockerman. Got caught with stealing the car from Idaho, moved back to San Louis Obispo. Then three years later he moved to Contra Costa and changed his name to Lawrence William Vanner which is the name he was using when he met Jun. Why the move and name change in 2001 from Mockerman to Vanner? And also Elizabeth Evans is most likely the name he changed the woman in the barrel's name to, and I'll bet the children used the last name Evans as well. So was he seen with any children between 1998 and 2001? Because I'm betting he killed another one and her mother during that time. Just have to wonder why he let Lisa live, because she was a loose end that has unraveled this whole thing.

In the article it states the cable that tied the victims in the barrels were from "Denise's workplace" do you think she might have changed her name because she knew what he did?It just feels like she ran off with him in a hurry , I feel like she had time to contact her family when she left or maybe not I'm wondering where the last place Donna Laporte Jensen shows up ...that might be where Denise's body might be located....do we have a LKA on her? (still playing catch up)

 

[Mom24]

In the article it states the cable that tied the victims in the barrels were from "Denise's workplace" do you think she might have changed her name because she knew what he did?It just feels like she ran off with him in a hurry , I feel like she had time to contact her family when she left or maybe not I'm wondering where the last place Donna Laporte Jensen shows up ...that might be where Denise's body might be located....do we have a LKA on her? (still playing catch up)

I'm just playing "suppose" here. I don't think she knew anything about the murders. I really believe she was caught unaware and I believe he killed her along the way out west. This is going to be tough, but I believe he targeted pregnant women because he liked very young children and as soon as the children were able to weaned, or sleeping through the night, he murdered the mothers. Kept the children until they were no longer of "use" to him (around the age of 4 or 5) and then changed his name, moved and found another pregnant woman to target. I think the reason he killed the Allenstown woman and children as well as his own daughter was because he met a single mother (Denise) and found a new victim. Pedophiles are quite particular about age and gender, and I believe he had perfected his game by the time he met Denise. I also believe Lisa isn't the only child that survived him. I'll bet there were others he abandoned, which is why I was searching in 4-5year blocks looking for missing women who had just given birth or were pregnant. But to answer your question, I really don't believe Denise knew. I think he changed her name to Donna Laporte Jensen to make a story about a single father with a daughter. He lied. About everything. If he'd told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't have believed it. I do believe the woman who signed for the mail (Elizabeth) was the woman in the barrel. I think he met Denise shortly. Sadly I don't think Denise ever saw it coming, and I hope her family finds her remains so they at least have some closure.

 

[puzzleme]

Well Well Put! ☺

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[crystal72]

Valid point... There is something to the ID's For some reason I'm not completely sold on military all thou its possible. Tend to lean towards him crossing paths with the individuals possibly wether it was work related, social setting, possible theft home robbery, vehicle stolen or pick pocket.


How did him acquire the three different vehicles he had been know to have in his posession.

Truly wish LE could provide a timeline of when he had each one.

I can only assume one that is the 60's Dodge, that was traced back to a motel in TX ... One thing I noticed it did not state the name whom it was registered under. Given the timeline of alias would assume it would be CMK

There is still a 70's model White Van and a VW van where do these vehicles fit into the timeline and where did he acquire them.

On another note we do not have a description of the truck that was stolen from ID

How do we know he wasnt just making a name up out of thin air or looking through phone book for his next one? He doesn't seem like the type to plan things out he just does it & when it's time to leave he just ups & leaves and changes names & life stories

 

[Alleykins]

Valid point... There is something to the ID's For some reason I'm not completely sold on military all thou its possible. Tend to lean towards him crossing paths with the individuals possibly wether it was work related, social setting, possible theft home robbery, vehicle stolen or pick pocket.


How did him acquire the three different vehicles he had been know to have in his posession.

Truly wish LE could provide a timeline of when he had each one.

I can only assume one that is the 60's Dodge, that was traced back to a motel in TX ... One thing I noticed it did not state the name whom it was registered under. Given the timeline of alias would assume it would be CMK

There is still a 70's model White Van and a VW van where do these vehicles fit into the timeline and where did he acquire them.

On another note we do not have a description of the truck that was stolen from ID

How do we know he wasnt just making a name up out of thin air or looking through phone book for his next one? He doesn't seem like the type to plan things out he just does it & when it's time to leave he just ups & leaves and changes names & life stories

Actually, that's a very plausible way for him to have gotten his names - yellow page ads for electricians when he needed fake credentials and maybe he randomly picked them from the white pages when he needed one just because.

 

[Alleykins]

I'm just playing "suppose" here. I don't think she knew anything about the murders. I really believe she was caught unaware and I believe he killed her along the way out west. This is going to be tough, but I believe he targeted pregnant women because he liked very young children and as soon as the children were able to weaned, or sleeping through the night, he murdered the mothers. Kept the children until they were no longer of "use" to him (around the age of 4 or 5) and then changed his name, moved and found another pregnant woman to target. I think the reason he killed the Allenstown woman and children as well as his own daughter was because he met a single mother (Denise) and found a new victim. Pedophiles are quite particular about age and gender, and I believe he had perfected his game by the time he met Denise. I also believe Lisa isn't the only child that survived him. I'll bet there were others he abandoned, which is why I was searching in 4-5year blocks looking for missing women who had just given birth or were pregnant. But to answer your question, I really don't believe Denise knew. I think he changed her name to Donna Laporte Jensen to make a story about a single father with a daughter. He lied. About everything. If he'd told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't have believed it. I do believe the woman who signed for the mail (Elizabeth) was the woman in the barrel. I think he met Denise shortly. Sadly I don't think Denise ever saw it coming, and I hope her family finds her remains so they at least have some closure.

BBM for focus,
I had a similar thought, too, except instead of targeting the babies, he was targeting breast feeding women because perhaps he had a strange fetish for breast milk or nursing mothers.And, when they weaned, he moved on, only that doesn't explain his marriage to Jun and the fact that he was reluctant to start a family with her, and we don't know if Denise was nursing.

 

[crystal72]

So when he changed his name from Robert Evans to Gordon C Jenson, he also changed Denise's name to Donna Laport(e) Jenson and Dawn to Lisa Jenson. He ditched Dawn/Lisa, moved to Idaho and change his name to Gerald E Mockerman. Got caught with stealing the car from Idaho, moved back to San Louis Obispo. Then three years later he moved to Contra Costa and changed his name to Lawrence William Vanner which is the name he was using when he met Jun. Why the move and name change in 2001 from Mockerman to Vanner? And also Elizabeth Evans is most likely the name he changed the woman in the barrel's name to, and I'll bet the children used the last name Evans as well. So was he seen with any children between 1998 and 2001? Because I'm betting he killed another one and her mother during that time. Just have to wonder why he let Lisa live, because she was a loose end that has unraveled this whole thing.

Just my thoughts on Lisa-I think she was extremely lucky. I think he would have killed her soon because she was getting to old & would be able to understand/comprehend the situation but he needed her at the time for his poor pitiful single dad ruse & she was known to the other campers so she would have a better possibility of being identified & traced back to him & it was easier just to leave

 

[crystal72]

Just my thoughts on him- I don't think he was highly intelligent like most SK I think he was just a smooth talker who would seek out naive young women. I don't think he planned anything out like next location or alias I think he stuck around until whatever use he hadn't for them was over then killed them & moved on to find the next one.

 

[Stephen2016]

Just wondering what is the soonest verifiable date that Evans was seen / located after NH of 81 ?

Someone posted that When Denise's parents went to see Denise December of 1981 They were gone and all the belongings as well.

Other questions I have is: was there a vehicle registered at the 925 Hayward St. Address ; DMV records, registration or even a credit application. Thinking the vehicle may of been the 77 / 78 White ford van they mentioned. Did Evans purchase a new vehicle with his electrician job at Waumbec?

Many other things I would like to know. But for me I have to focus on Manchester NH information that has been given. Of course knowing more about that NSF check also would be interesting from my point of view.


Also growing up in Manchester specially in the 60's 70's and sooner there was a large population of Canadians in the area. From my observations many do seem to have American Indian Features. Thought about it many of times.

TY in advance.



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[azshadowwalker]

One thing that comes to mind is that if he was running a contracting business, he could ask to see a driver's license when he accepted a check in payment, and nobody would have thought anything of it.

This is the most likely scenario, IMO, especially since he also worked in at least one store. Before the days of debit cards, they would ask for your driver's license. Many clerks would draw a sort of hash on the check with four boxes. In each box, they would write information from the license, including license number, state of issue, expiration date, and, sometimes, date of birth. It was an identity thief's dream, since the check already had the imprinted name, address and phone number.

I do think he was fairly smart. I don't think you get away with this much for that long without both the ability to think quickly and to plan well. Not everyone puts their intelligence to good use.

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[Cafegirl]

so [email protected] was RE's email addy. And he had a business. Sounds like something he's done before. I'm going to check his other aliases and see what I can find.

Can investigators get into his email history?