Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 #10 *Arrest*

[~n/t~]

There was an article on the front page of the Union Leader today. According to them, Mom and WN have seperated and are not talking to each other at all. She is back to work though. The article also mentioned the body wrapped in a blanket. According to the article, people are nervous and are keeping a close watch on their kids.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110904/NEWS15/110909962

Do we need a subscription to read the entire article? All I see is this? :dunno:

Almost six weeks after 11-year-old Celina Cass was last seen alive, no one is living in the West Stewartstown apartment she called home. Friends say the mother and stepfather of Celina Cass have split up and no longer speak to each other.

 

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I don't know if they have their eyes on WN or anybody else but it's a reward for information leading to the arrest and prosecution of anyone involved in her death. As such it doesn't necessarily imply to me that they have no suspects, it could be that they have one or more but still want some information before they feel they can proceed to an arrest and a trial. IMO.

Is the $665 an anonymous donation as well? It seems an odd sum for authorities to add.

Sounds like it could be a collection from public donations.

 

[JeannieC]

It doesn't sound like they know for sure who the perp is. If they had their eyes on WN, would they still be looking at increasing the reward? :waitasec:

I wondered the same thing except the increase isn't a lot of money. Seems like it could be some of the people in the town (maybe school children) doing fund raisers to add to the reward. $665.00 is an odd amount. imo

I'm not sure if they have a suspect either. Actually, at this point they still don't have a cause of death. Still no Tox report or so they say. I wonder if they are holding the results hoping someone will talk.

 

[~n/t~]

I wondered the same thing except the increase isn't a lot of money. Seems like it could be some of the people in the town (maybe school children) doing fund raisers to add to the reward. $665.00 is an odd amount. imo

I'm not sure if they have a suspect either. Actually, at this point they still don't have a cause of death. Still no Tox report or so they say. I wonder if they are holding the results hoping someone will talk.

The fact that they are increasing the reward towards information leading to the arrest and prosecution of anyone involved in her death leads me to believe they think she was murdered even if they don't have the evidence to prove it yet. It sounds like accidental or suicide is ruled out, imo.

 

[JeannieC]

You're probably right. I'm not sure the step-father did this and I'm not sure he didn't. Too many people in the house to narrow the suspects. imo
There is also the chance it was someone not living in the house.

The thing that would lead me to believe it was someone who lived in the house is that it happened while her sister was spending the night away from home.

I believe it could have been more than one person involved. Drunk men, one pretty young girl sleeping on the couch. The step-father didn't seem to be in the best physical condition. I believe he was probably on a lot of medication due to his mental condition and he was on disability.

Also I believe CC's mom said they had gone to bed and didn't hear anything.

CC's mom breaking up with the step-dad may not be because she thinks he killed CC. It could be that she just can't handle his mental problems with all she is going through. jmo

First question we have to ask is what would be the motive for a person to kill Celina? Rape, jealousy, anger? (Feel free to join in here)

I think with the medication her SD was on rape would not be a motive. Possibly jealousy or anger. moo

Rape leads me to consider someone else. jmo

 

[~n/t~]

If she was raped, wouldn't that show up in the autopsy report? Wouldn't LE advise the public that a child rapist/murderer is amongst them? I don't understand why none of that was released.

 

[JeannieC]

If she was raped, wouldn't that show up in the autopsy report? Wouldn't LE advise the public that a child rapist/murderer is amongst them? I don't understand why none of that was released.

I don't know that she was raped. It could have been attempted rape. She might have fought back. I just listed rape as one of the motives. (I believe you are correct, it would show on the autopsy report)

I'm not sure if her being in the water would effect the rape test. I have heard of cases where the victim was found in water and they were able to tell she had been raped but I'm not sure that is true in every case. Celina being a young girl I would think there would have been signs of sexual abuse even without semen. jmo

 

[bstnh1]

I have serious doubts that the AG's office is anywhere near close to solving this case. By now, I'm certain a lot of the toxicology test results must be back. And I'm sure they have at least a POI in mind. And still nothing from Jane Young. My guess is that they will wait until every last test result is back and at that time announce a cause of death, which, I believe they already know. But I don't believe an arrest will be announced at that time. A lot of people are placing a lot of suspicion on WN. I don't feel he was involved in this at all. If, as some people suggest, he had a mental event which resulted in an intentional or accidental death, I don't think he would have had the presence of mind to cover his tracks so well. On the other hand, a 23 year old guy who has had run-ins with the law before would be well aware of the risks and consequences of being involved with an intentional or accidental death and would be extremely careful in trying to erase any signs of his involvement. And, unfortunately, he may have done a superb enough job to prevent any arrest in this case.

All of the above............my opinion only.

 

[cluciano63]

Even if LE comes out with an arrest at some point, I am not going to be one of those lining up to pat the AG on the back for handling this case so spectacularly. I think it would be something of an outrage if they "know" who did this and allow the community to worry and have fear without so much as saying, yes this is a murder, or no we really don't know what happened as yet, for so many weeks (or longer if this goes on and on.) Of course it will be a relief if an arrest and conviction comes about, but I am just not impressed to date and yes, I know all about Krista's case...JMO

 

[bstnh1]

Seperated. With Celina's family dissin' him on Facebook as a friend, it's not looking good for WN. I think it's getting too obvious now and hope he's getting the care to make sense of all of this to help Celina and her family cope with this tragedy. Maybe even tell the whole story I hope. There might be more? Haven't a clue otherwise though.

Having a mental event the day Celina's body was found and the fact that he and LN are not speaking to each other are in no way an indication of guilt or even involvement. In many, many cases where the death of a child is involved, the parents wind up divorcing. I'm sure there's a lot of stress involved here both for WN and LN and at this point I wouldn't chalk up the driveway breakdown or the separation to anything other than that.

 

[bstnh1]

Obviously just speculation at this point, but I tend to agree with your scenario. In fact, it would not surprise me if the WN driveway episode was some kind of acting out or replay of what happened and/or was observed. I can think of multiple examples from working with severely psychotic individuals where behavior that appeared strange, bizarre or irrational could be understood once the motivation or association (albeit often very loose) was discovered. Generally speaking, human behavior isn't random. It would be interesting to know what he was saying at that time or what occurred immediately beforehand. JMHO

Think 23 year old............

 

[Radichio77885]

Think 23 year old............

Agree bstnh1, a certain 23 year-old has not left my radar in all this. WN could have, however, been an observer or assistant after the fact....

 

[JeannieC]

Obviously just speculation at this point, but I tend to agree with your scenario. In fact, it would not surprise me if the WN driveway episode was some kind of acting out or replay of what happened and/or was observed. I can think of multiple examples from working with severely psychotic individuals where behavior that appeared strange, bizarre or irrational could be understood once the motivation or association (albeit often very loose) was discovered. Generally speaking, human behavior isn't random. It would be interesting to know what he was saying at that time or what occurred immediately beforehand. JMHO

Thank you for suchan excellent analogy. I hadn't thought of the driveway incident but it does fit. You're right about what he was saying at the time. Even if rambling some truth would be revealed. imo

 

[Jo in Calif]

The thing is, about the 23 year old, he is living with the mother and the sister.
I would think if there was anything hinkey with him, the sister would have pitched one heck of a bioch about him moving in with them.
I would also think, if LE suspected him, they would have talked to the mother and let her know it would not be a good idea for him to be living in the house with her daughter.

 

[JeannieC]

Even if LE comes out with an arrest at some point, I am not going to be one of those lining up to pat the AG on the back for handling this case so spectacularly. I think it would be something of an outrage if they "know" who did this and allow the community to worry and have fear without so much as saying, yes this is a murder, or no we really don't know what happened as yet, for so many weeks (or longer if this goes on and on.) Of course it will be a relief if an arrest and conviction comes about, but I am just not impressed to date and yes, I know all about Krista's case...JMO

Me either.

 

[JeannieC]

Am I mistaken or isn't there one person who could be part of the equation who has left the state?

moo

 

[k4kathy]

DISCLAIMER: :innocent: I have NOT been verified by WS as an expert (reason being: "My Boss & the "biggies" et al are okay with anonymous posting to provide INFORMATION regarding the specialty of forensic pathology (& to EDUCATE the public for funding purposes! (my theory!) BUT NOT AS A "reliable source", "consultant" (yeah, we can't moonlight without permission!) or any other possible "COURT certifiable resource""). :innocent:

That above given, as an intelligent (for today at least!!!) poster, :twocents: (N.B. always stands for MY 2 cents worth!), accidental deaths CAN and HAVE BEEN "hidden" be they the bodies themselves or the means upon which/by which the death occurred.
Yes, children HAVE been removed from a death scene and place BACK in a crib to simulate a SIDS death, repositioned & removed to another site to simulate an abduction, removed from a swimming pool to mitigate owner liability (GRRRRRR!), removed from a microwave oven and placed on the floor near "boiling H2O" to simulate an accidental burn, (I HAD to bold the entire story on THAT one!). :maddening::maddening::maddening:

So, those are just some RECENT experience that I am very familiar with for some very good reasons! I'm :innocent: POSITIVE that a literature search of the CDC database would present a few hundred or thousands more suspicious situations that never reached full legal involvement but that's another story for another day!:banghead:

:twocents: MANY people do very unusual things (including so called "professionals" since we are all HUMAN!) when encountering the deceased, the reasoning behind the behaviors are as varied as the persons involved but it has been stated by many with whom I am honored to share my mission, those who are "not guilty" of grave, severe wrong doing eventually ADMIT that the action(s) were "unique" and attempt to explain or at least try to bring the listener into their experience specific frame of reference.

:twocents: TURNING ACCIDENTAL/SUICIDAL/NATURAL MODs into "HOMICIDE" death type scenes, NOT one of the USUAL behaviors encountered and that's why ALL pieces of data are taken into consideration before putting a check mark in box #37 on the death certificate! :seeya:

Joypath, thank you for responding to my question. Your insight is very much appreciated as well as being very helpful. I enjoy reading your posts!

 

[k4kathy]

dear Celina...hoping some answers come soon so whoever hurt you can face the consequences

Oh gosh, you couldn't have said how I feel any more plain....

 

[k4kathy]

It doesn't sound like they know for sure who the perp is. If they had their eyes on WN, would they still be looking at increasing the reward? :waitasec:

Money talks?????

 

[k4kathy]

Even if LE comes out with an arrest at some point, I am not going to be one of those lining up to pat the AG on the back for handling this case so spectacularly. I think it would be something of an outrage if they "know" who did this and allow the community to worry and have fear without so much as saying, yes this is a murder, or no we really don't know what happened as yet, for so many weeks (or longer if this goes on and on.) Of course it will be a relief if an arrest and conviction comes about, but I am just not impressed to date and yes, I know all about Krista's case...JMO

Cluciano63, I can see where you are coming from. I don't feel that way towards the AG because I don't know the circumstances surrounding this case, and have to give her the benefit of the doubt because there is a good possibility that she cannot divulge certain facts involving this crime. I feel like she might need to keep a tight lip to guard the integrity of this case... so therefore the public is not informed to the degree that many of us would like to be. Don't get me wrong, I would like to know something new!