Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 4 *Arrest*

[epiphany]

Since Dr. Drew has gone into the missing "business," I have had some issues with statements made by him occasionally. Tonight is one of those times.

To state that an 11 year old girl, who just completed 4th grade, was beginning "to sexualize" herself, is not to state that she was going through a typical phase of early puberty.

Dr. Drew does not get a pass from me.

 

[kalekona]

When "charlie" was talking about the home it sounded to me like it was apartments occupied by mostly (or only) relatives. (which would really explain some of the things in this case)

I think the whole "sexualizing" herself was more than just the FB page- the music, pages, TV,movies sure can be seen as things a child older than 11 would be interested in- Many people still see 11 year olds as listening to Radio Disney and watching Cartoon network- many 11 year olds are years older socially than folks want to see- even when there is nothing wrong in the childs life

 

[MsFacetious]

I didn't either. She probably just chooses to have a picture hiding her teeth, kwim. I had very few pictures taken with me smiling when I had braces. She's a natural beautiful girl.

If they found ligature marks either on her neck, hands, feet, etc...would they just call her death "suspicious" at this point?

Krista Dittmeyer was beaten and bound, then dumped in a pond.

Jane Young referred to her death as "suspicious" as well after they found her body.

That is simply what she does.

This is a homicide, they know it is a homicide and they probably know how she died. Like they knew Krista was beaten, they probably have an idea of how Celina died as well.

But she won't likely reveal that cause of death until an arrest is made.

Yes, she is known for being vague and keeping things close.

There are several posts about her in Celina's threads if you do a search for "Jane Young"

Here is one:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 - #1

 

[mrye4709]

It's possible that she was shot in the head or throat slashed. I really hope not, but they would not need to be a medical examiner to know that is an instant death.

I don't want to post rumors, but I read a comment on a news story that was supposedly from a local. It said something to the effect that it may be released that she was weighted down with cinder blocks and with chains. It also talked about someone else living in the home, who's pickup contained blood and was taken somewhere else.

I looked at WN's facebook page, whoa......very strange indeed. Couldn't find the name of his brother, I wanted to look at his too.

Mods delete this if it isn't allowed and my apologies if it isn't.:innocent:

 

[cluciano63]

The few friends linked to Celina's page who had open walls seemed to be normal friends, and they also seemed to be playing the same FB games...nothing unusual about that, except that they are younger than most of would like to have on FB at all...

 

[cj1132]

Last night I was in bed, unable to sleep and was thinking of Celina. I really felt that she would be found in the river and she was. Many of us have followed several cases through the years and many times, it's the SF that is involved. I'm just not ready to commit to that theory yet and I honestly can't give a concrete reason why.

 

[justanother]

Someone before me mentioned IMVU. I saw on her sisters likes or something that she liked IMVU. There are lots of people that use it....millions in fact, you create an avatar, go play games with other peoples avatars and chat.....mostly with random strangers. The IMVU FB page has millions of likes.

 

[kalekona]

The few friends linked to Celina's page who had open walls seemed to be normal friends, and they also seemed to be playing the same FB games...nothing unusual about that, except that they are younger than most of would like to have on FB at all...

My daughter and her friends answer those FB quizes all the time, and have since they have been on FB- they also ALL take those phone shots of themselves (which takes me a dozen shots to get one in frame)

Other than the fact she was only 11 I didn't see anything on her FB that isn't pretty normal and standard

 

[Kat]

I didn't either. She probably just chooses to have a picture hiding her teeth, kwim. I had very few pictures taken with me smiling when I had braces. She's a natural beautiful girl.

If they found ligature marks either on her neck, hands, feet, etc...would they just call her death "suspicious" at this point?

To be honest I think they don't know COD or MOD right now but that's just me. I think that they are going forward as a suspicious death and handling it as a crime investigation because that might be their protocol. It is for a lot of LE's.

I won't get into the details here because it's so soon after her being found but having had lived in Central TX we always had many many people that drowned in the area lakes. Both in summer and winter.

GRAPHIC WARNING:

So without going into too much detail I remember that it does take some time for submerged bodies to come up on their own. It takes longer if the water is cold (not cool) and if the ambient air above the water is cold too.

The average I saw was that a submerged body would eventually rise to the surface within a week, give or take a day or so. If it was in the summer. That's why I'm not assuming she was weighted down. She may very well have not been.

Another thing I observed, even if the body is in the water for a short time (such as a week) there will be obvious and feature altering bloating. There was no other word to use for it, skin slippage as well. So that would make it incrediably difficult for LE to look at remains and state that there were any obvious injuries because of that and because the body can be subjected to injury postmortem while under the water if there are things down there as well as any animal life underwater.

IMHO it's impossible for me to even speculate, personally, because of so many factors. KWIM? Just sharing what I learned from the countless drownings on those lakes when I lived in CenTx. All JMHO

 

[hollyblue]

I don't want to post rumors, but I read a comment on a news story that was supposedly from a local. It said something to the effect that it may be released that she was weighted down with cinder blocks and with chains. It also talked about someone else living in the home, who's pickup contained blood and was taken somewhere else.

I looked at WN's facebook page, whoa......very strange indeed. Couldn't find the name of his brother, I wanted to look at his too.

Mods delete this if it isn't allowed and my apologies if it isn't.:innocent:

One of the reporters at the PC ask about a red pick up truck...and something to the effect they did have it in their possession at one time....or still.

 

[StrayKat]

There could have been other signs to imply that she had been placed in the water... was she found in the bottom? Don't the bodies normally float? I also wonder if that is a regular swimming hole for locals?

 

[SurfieTX]

I thought the step had a different apt. in the house. In any event, the truck being taken speaks to something, IMO.

 

[poppyfrock]

I'm sorry, but I don't know where I read it, because I have read so much, but when Celina's FB was still up people were talking about a friend that had been added right before she disappeared. <modsnip> I have no idea what that is or what it means. I looked at her friend's list and the person's profile pic was just a plain black square. The profile was also private. People thought it was weird, but I don't remember seeing anything borderline pornographic.

 

[Amster]

I'll say it....it is wrong and irresponsible of her mother to allow her 11 yr. old to be messing around on FB. Actually, started it when she was 10? It isn't cute or amusing or innocent. I'm amazed and dismayed at the number of people who readily admit that their young girls have FB accts. Brag about it practically. Why?? Does it make them popular?? Really?? We live in a very dangerous world. For the life of me, I can't understand a parent willingly wanting their child to be exposed to that danger. Sad

 

[Kat]

There could have been other signs to imply that she had been placed in the water... was she found in the bottom? Don't the bodies normally float? I also wonder if that is a regular swimming hole for locals?

Bolded by me respectfully,

No they do not. They sink. It isn't until a certain stage of decomposition does the body begin to rise, slowly. The temp of the water will either accelerate that process or inhibit it. It also depends on the water temp at the lower levels of the area of the body of water the person is located not just the upper portion. KWIM? Just my recollection from other cases.

 

[StrayKat]

To be honest I think they don't know COD or MOD right now but that's just me. I think that they are going forward as a suspicious death and handling it as a crime investigation because that might be their protocol. It is for a lot of LE's.

I won't get into the details here because it's so soon after her being found but having had lived in Central TX we always had many many people that drowned in the area lakes. Both in summer and winter.

GRAPHIC WARNING:

So without going into too much detail I remember that it does take some time for submerged bodies to come up on their own. It takes longer if the water is cold (not cool) and if the ambient air above the water is cold too.

The average I saw was that a submerged body would eventually rise to the surface within a week, give or take a day or so. If it was in the summer. That's why I'm not assuming she was weighted down. She may very well have not been.

Another thing I observed, even if the body is in the water for a short time (such as a week) there will be obvious and feature altering bloating. There was no other word to use for it, skin slippage as well. So that would make it incrediably difficult for LE to look at remains and state that there were any obvious injuries because of that and because the body can be subjected to injury postmortem while under the water if there are things down there as well as any animal life underwater.

IMHO it's impossible for me to even speculate, personally, because of so many factors. KWIM? Just sharing what I learned from the countless drownings on those lakes when I lived in CenTx. All JMHO

From CenTx... they are saying that water is unusually warm because of a powerplant or something. Would that have hastened the floating to the top?

 

[mrye4709]

One of the reporters at the PC ask about a red pick up truck...and something to the effect they did have it in their possession at one time....or still.

So, who did the pick up belong to? I need to go back and read all the posts, I am really behind.

 

[Kat]

From CenTx... they are saying that water is unusually warm because of a powerplant or something. Would that have hastened the floating to the top?

Warning possibly too graphic for some readers

Possibly. JMHO. But the body rises slowly as the decomp gases build. So the body may not come completely to the surface but will be visible closer to the surface instead of resting closer to the bottom---if that indeed happened. JMHO

 

[DollyPardonMe]

I'll say it....it is wrong and irresponsible of her mother to allow her 11 yr. old to be messing around on FB. Actually, started it when she was 10? It isn't cute or amusing or innocent. I'm amazed and dismayed at the number of people who readily admit that their young girls have FB accts. Brag about it practically. Why?? Does it make them popular?? Really?? We live in a very dangerous world. For the life of me, I can't understand a parent willingly wanting their child to be exposed to that danger. Sad

The minimum age to sign up for a FB account is 13. Too bad they can't monitor that more carefully. The little boy next door is only 8 ad his mother made a FB account for him (So Sad)
I am so tired of children being thrown away like trash..
RIP, little Celina..You are flying with the angels now!

 

[HRCODEPINK]

The minimum age to sign up for a FB account is 13. Too bad they can't monitor that more carefully. The little boy next door is only 8 ad his mother made a FB account for him (So Sad)
I am so tired of children being thrown away like trash..
RIP, little Celina..You are flying with the angels now!

It is against TOS on facebook to even make a page on behalf of a child under the age of 13.