Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 7 *Arrest*

[DeeMarie]

Very good overview article of the case so far with good photos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ro-seriously-ill-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Thanks ! The Daily Mail is always good..

 

[Magdalyn]

Using Google Maps Street View I followed Hwy 3 north from Celina's house up to where the dam is to get a better idea of the route the killer must of taken when disposing on Celina's body. Also looking for potential businesses that might have a surveillance system that might of captured a pickup driving up the road. The police station is located just north of Celina's house, but doesn't appear to have any camera's mounted that I could see. There are a few other businesses such as the restaurant/bar next door and a hardware store but it is hard to tell if they would have camera's either. Any locals around that could drive up this route and scout out any camera's?????

As you can see in the map picture below this is looking down at what is the old train bridge that was seen in the pictures of investigators and the divers in the boat.

I would suspect that who ever placed Celina's body in the river used this access point to get to the river with their vehicle. If you follow the highway further north the road is elevated a considerable distance above the river and dam and a continuous guardrail follows the road which would have made it very difficult for anyone to carry a body from the roadway over the guardrail and down though the brush to the river if they were to park along the road.

I would think the person that used this access point to the old train bridge and river is someone that is familiar with this area and it is also possibly that this person used this area for fishing. If I remember correctly it was said that Celina enjoyed fishing and releasing. I'm wondering who used to take her fishing and if this was the spot where they would go. Anyone know?

West Stewartstown - Google Maps

I had just had a similar thought a few minutes ago when I was viewing retrieval sight pictures and pictures of the dam. I think this was a familiar fishing spot to perp and possibly the victim.

 

[DeeMarie]

I have never seen an answer to that question but wonder the same thing. Mom just left for work. It is summer time. Was CC expected to wake up @ 8:30 that morning? Or was he just checking on her?

One thing that bothers me. If he already knew she was gone, he would want to report it pretty quickly after mom left, because he would not want to be looking like he was home alone with her for long that morning. So IF he already knew, he would have to start the missing report really early, just like he did.

Agreed! Usually kids sleep in if there is no school or event and do not have to be woken up. Why did they neighbor have to call LE and not the SF? Do they not have a phone? I would not be surprised. Also with that big of a house how is it possible to hear anything happening in the basement ? I always keep my kid within ear shot in the house....

 

[mck16]

Using Google Maps Street View I followed Hwy 3 north from Celina's house up to where the dam is to get a better idea of the route the killer must of taken when disposing on Celina's body. Also looking for potential businesses that might have a surveillance system that might of captured a pickup driving up the road. The police station is located just north of Celina's house, but doesn't appear to have any camera's mounted that I could see. There are a few other businesses such as the restaurant/bar next door and a hardware store but it is hard to tell if they would have camera's either. Any locals around that could drive up this route and scout out any camera's?????

As you can see in the map picture below this is looking down at what is the old train bridge that was seen in the pictures of investigators and the divers in the boat.


I would suspect that who ever placed Celina's body in the river used this access point to get to the river with their vehicle. If you follow the highway further north the road is elevated a considerable distance above the river and dam and a continuous guardrail follows the road which would have made it very difficult for anyone to carry a body from the roadway over the guardrail and down though the brush to the river if they were to park along the road.

I would think the person that used this access point to the old train bridge and river is someone that is familiar with this area and it is also possibly that this person used this area for fishing. If I remember correctly it was said that Celina enjoyed fishing and releasing. I'm wondering who used to take her fishing and if this was the spot where they would go. Anyone know?

West Stewartstown - Google Maps

The only person I have seen that talks about her fishing is her father AL. He said that when they came to visit him she and her sister would always want to fish. Maybe someone has seen another reference to her fishing. jmo

 

[yllek]

I appreciate yesterday's basement discussions; I have read them but not posted about the issue (no personal experience). For me, they were helpful in that:

1. If this is the "bedroom" in which Wendell Noyes claims "they" last saw Celina at the computer at 9 pm the night before she disappeared, it could be a crime scene. Depending on on the condition of the basement and whether or not Celina felt comfortable in it, it could be indicative of how Celina was regarded in the home.

2. Whether it is or isn't the room where Celina was last scene, the basement might have a door that would allow an unwitnessed exit from the house.

So, imo while it's not yet known whether the basement is an issue at all, it could turn out to be important. For now, imo, we don't even know for sure if Celina and/or her sister were actually sleeping in the basement on an air mattress. Their father, AL, originally said everything was good at the house, seemed loving, it appeared the girls were happy and well cared for by their mother and father (referring to Wendell Noyes). After Celina's body was found, he said it bothered him and he found it crazy that the girls had been moved from nice bedrooms in the house to an air mattress in the cellar/basement (by decision of those he would not name) when Kevin M moved into the house.

Since we have no statements from anyone living in the house, it's possible that Kayla told him about the sleeping arrangements during her visit with her father after Celina's body was found, or AL had known that the girls were in the basement for a year and it seemed more hinky to him in hindsight, or if he may have gotten misinformation about the sleeping arrangements as the focus on KM living in the house took off and people started talking and speculating more about it. Will be interesting to (hopefully) find out what LE and/or those living in the house have to say about the relationship dynamics, the activity in the house, and where Celina slept and was last seen.

JMO...

 

[mck16]

Agreed! Usually kids sleep in if there is no school or event and do not have to be woken up. Why did they neighbor have to call LE and not the SF? Do they not have a phone? I would not be surprised. Also with that big of a house how is it possible to hear anything happening in the basement ? I always keep my kid within ear shot in the house....

The article I read said that the neighbor called the LE while everyone else was going about the neighborhood looking for her.

 

[elmomom]

I have never seen an answer to that question but wonder the same thing. Mom just left for work. It is summer time. Was CC expected to wake up @ 8:30 that morning? Or was he just checking on her?

One thing that bothers me. If he already knew she was gone, he would want to report it pretty quickly after mom left, because he would not want to be looking like he was home alone with her for long that morning. So IF he already knew, he would have to start the missing report really early, just like he did.

I don't think 8:30 is all that early for an 11 year old. Maybe he was in the habit of preparing breakfast, since he seems to be the primary caretaker of the children when they were not in school and Mom was at work.

 

[mck16]

I don't think 8:30 is all that early for an 11 year old. Maybe he was in the habit of preparing breakfast, since he seems to be the primary caretaker of the children when they were not in school and Mom was at work.

Being x-military he may have thought you shouldn't sleep late. You know he may have had strict rules about that. Also when my boys were young I made them get up. I didn't see any reason for them to sleep late, but that is just me. Just because it is summer doesn't mean you can stay up late and sleep all day. jmo

 

[elmomom]

The article I read said that the neighbor called the LE while everyone else was going about the neighborhood looking for her.

There was a later article (I'll go and look after this and come back and add a link when I find it.)
In that article, the person who called 911 was interviewed and gave a much clearer picture of what went on that morning, and it was not like you described (which is what I thought before reading it).
KL came to her door (she lives very close by) asking for CC. Neighbor goes to Noyes house and finds LN so hysterical that she can't talk. No one had called 911, so she did. Add to that we know that SF was on FB at 9:11 AM. SO this is indeed an odd story - lots of discussion over it and the implications further back, probably in the thread before this one.

eta:

Celina was last seen around 9 p.m. July 25. Debbie Baglio, who lives steps from Celina’s home, told the Herald yesterday she called police to report Celina missing the next morning after Celina’s older sister, Kayla, 13, came knocking to ask whether she’d seen the girl.

Baglio said she rushed to Celina’s home to find that the family had not reported the disappearance.

“I don’t know why they didn’t,” said Baglio, who has three daughters about Celina’s age. Celina’s mother, Louisa Noyes, “was hysterical” over the girl’s disappearance, Baglio said.

“I barely got out of her that they hadn’t seen her since 9 o’clock,” she said.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...ome&position=4

 

[mck16]

There was a later article (I'll go and look after this and come back and add a link when I find it.)
In that article, the person who called 911 was interviewed and gave a much clearer picture of what went on that morning, and it was not like you described (which is what I thought before reading it).
KL came to her door (she lives very close by) asking for CC. Neighbor goes to Noyes house and finds LN so hysterical that she can't talk. No one had called 911, so she did. Add to that we know that SF was on FB at 9:11 AM. SO this is indeed an odd story - lots of discussion over it and the implications further back, probably in the thread before this one.

It makes it really difficult when stories and accounts keep changing, doesn't it? Wonder why that happens. But, it isn't anything new that it does. jmo

 

[Magdalyn]

Agreed! Usually kids sleep in if there is no school or event and do not have to be woken up. Why did they neighbor have to call LE and not the SF? Do they not have a phone? I would not be surprised. Also with that big of a house how is it possible to hear anything happening in the basement ? I always keep my kid within ear shot in the house....

BBM:

He allegedly discovered her missing at 8:30.

Then he was posting a 'whassup' on Facebook to some chicky at 9:11 while this crisis was underway. His step child had been found missing 45 minutes ago, so he's on Facebook. (The post has since been removed but I saw it, along with a lot of other WS'ers.)

He does not call 911. He allegedly did call mom at work.

Mother comes home.... and collapses, sobbing and is virtually unintelligible. She also does not call 911.

13 year old daughter (who has come home from a sleepover) goes next door, asks neighbor if Celina's there/has she seen her, neighbor comes over to house .... NEIGHBOR takes it upon herself to call 911, because mom is inconsolable. But hasn't considered calling 911 for any help.

:waitasec:

 

[SuziQ]

I am getting mixed vibes..........computer, and access, nice vehicles, dresses nice. (plus)
(minus) rent duplex with a non family member, 2 girls in a basement, SF mental issues.
A beautiful little girl starting to mature.

When I think of old victorian homes.........My BFF and DD each owned beautiful onesabout 125 years old.
BUT they still had DIRT floors and low ceilings.....here in PA more like fruit cellars.
Now they both had concrete poured and refinished for laundry rooms and extra bath, but far from comfortable. Tiny windows mde my daughter think hers was spooky. JMOO

This is my experience with them as well. Also made to dump coal in or hold an oil tank. Alot of work goes into finishing those basements. You have to remove several feet of dirt, put in longer beams and in my area firecodes dictate the window wells be dug and larger windows be installed for escape access. The cost do do this is so prohibitive that it's not done often. However, the living areas of these houses are usually grand!

Peace, ITA on the outside access to this house. I wonder about someone taking Celina out that way too.

 

[elmomom]

I appreciate yesterday's basement discussions; I have read them but not posted about the issue (no personal experience). For me, they were helpful in that:

1. If this is the "bedroom" in which Wendell Noyes claims "they" last saw Celina at the computer at 9 pm the night before she disappeared, it could be a crime scene. Depending on on the condition of the basement and whether or not Celina felt comfortable in it, it could be indicative of how Celina was regarded in the home.

2. Whether it is or isn't the room where Celina was last scene, the basement might have a door that would allow an unwitnessed exit from the house.

So, imo while it's not yet known whether the basement is an issue at all, it could turn out to be important. For now, imo, we don't even know for sure if Celina and/or her sister were actually sleeping in the basement on an air mattress. Their father, AL, originally said everything was good at the house, seemed loving, it appeared the girls were happy and well cared for by their mother and father (referring to Wendell Noyes). After Celina's body was found, he said it bothered him and he found it crazy that the girls had been moved from nice bedrooms in the house to an air mattress in the cellar/basement (by decision of those he would not name) when Kevin M moved into the house.

Since we have no statements from anyone living in the house, it's possible that Kayla told him about the sleeping arrangements during her visit with her father after Celina's body was found, or AL had known that the girls were in the basement for a year and it seemed more hinky to him in hindsight, or if he may have gotten misinformation about the sleeping arrangements as the focus on KM living in the house took off and people started talking and speculating more about it. Will be interesting to (hopefully) find out what LE and/or those living in the house have to say about the relationship dynamics, the activity in the house, and where Celina slept and was last seen.

JMO...

bbm

not to be nit-picky but I do want to point out that this was not said. It was said that they were moved to accommodate someone, but KM was not mentioned by name, and we have all been assuming it was for him. But that was a year ago that he moved in... and recently there was a rumor posted as a comment somewhere that one other person may have been living there after having gotten thrown out of his house after threatening his Mom. If that turns out to be true, then maybe the whole rearrangement of the rooms is much more recent, which fits, and also, having to combine the two girls so that the new guest and KM would not have to share a room. It's all extreme speculation by me, but if that rumor is true, then it makes a big difference in everything, so I wanted to make sure that we don't rule it out without any evidence one way or another. KM was never specifically ID'ed as the reason the girls moved... just that it was to accommodate someone.

 

[Magdalyn]

The only person I have seen that talks about her fishing is her father AL. He said that when they came to visit him she and her sister would always want to fish. Maybe someone has seen another reference to her fishing. jmo

I believe it's mentioned in her obituary. I'd presume her mother provided that information to the newspaper.

ETA:
http://www.baileyfh.net/obituary.aspx?MemberId=93224&MName=Celina Marie Cass

 

[bstnh1]

There was a later article (I'll go and look after this and come back and add a link when I find it.)
In that article, the person who called 911 was interviewed and gave a much clearer picture of what went on that morning, and it was not like you described (which is what I thought before reading it).
KL came to her door (she lives very close by) asking for CC. Neighbor goes to Noyes house and finds LN so hysterical that she can't talk. No one had called 911, so she did. Add to that we know that SF was on FB at 9:11 AM. SO this is indeed an odd story - lots of discussion over it and the implications further back, probably in the thread before this one.

I was under the impression that LN was at work when LE was called - or at least had not yet arrived back home after being told CC was missing. And I find it really strange that the press have not been able to get a detailed interview form any of the neighbors who witnessed the events that morning. There's almost always at least one person who's eager to give all the details of what they saw, what they heard, etc.

 

[Joe Friday]

The only person I have seen that talks about her fishing is her father AL. He said that when they came to visit him she and her sister would always want to fish. Maybe someone has seen another reference to her fishing. jmo

Since her bio-father was not around much, I would have to presume that someone else took her fishing more frequently and since she enjoyed fishing so much, she wanted her real father to take her fishing when he visited also.

Perhaps if anyone else other than the bio-father talked about anything related to the case and Celina (other than the one interview with the SF before his episode) we would have heard more about who took her fishing and what she liked to do.

Now I'm wonder who's truck has mud or dirt in the wheel wells that is consistent with the dirt in the access point to the bridge and the river???? Remember the photo of the investigators looking under the truck when it was on the flatbed tow truck????

Praying that as soon as the tox report comes back and the ME can sign the death certificate as being a homicide an arrest will be made. (It would be a little hard to arrest someone for murder when it hasn't been determined that the victim was actually murdered, if you know what I'm getting at)

 

[elmomom]

It makes it really difficult when stories and accounts keep changing, doesn't it? Wonder why that happens. But, it isn't anything new that it does. jmo

I agree about the PITA it can be when the media and the people involved change stories... but honestly, the first story we heard was just that KL was looking and that this neighbor called 911. The whole part of "everyone was running around and looking for her" was details that we, blushing: specifically me I think) suggested to explain a innocent and innocuous reason that a parent was not the one who dialed 911. When the press and the person filled in the real details, they turned out to be not so innocent and innocuous imho!
(not suggesting that LN was the perp, just that something she knew/saw or was told was way more serious than "we can't find CC")

 

[nosysw]

I wonder if she had to get up early for something school related. Registering for school, school shopping, registering for sports. Something along those lines. I've been trying to find where Stewartstown Community School has a start date but can't find it.

...from the town's website; Stewartstown operates grades K-8; grades 9-12 are tuitoned to Colebrook or the State of Vermont (Canaan, VT)

Orientation for new students in Colebrook is August 25th so I guess school starts within the next week or so after that...

First day of school in Canaan, VT is Sept 1...

ETA: Sorry, I'm used to dealing with high school population but, of course, CC was going into 5th grade...in any case I would assume the elementary school would have a similar start date- last week of August to Sept 1st...

 

[peace9274]

bbm

not to be nit-picky but I do want to point out that this was not said. It was said that they were moved to accommodate someone, but KM was not mentioned by name, and we have all been assuming it was for him. But that was a year ago that he moved in... and recently there was a rumor posted as a comment somewhere that one other person may have been living there after having gotten thrown out of his house after threatening his Mom. If that turns out to be true, then maybe the whole rearrangement of the rooms is much more recent, which fits, and also, having to combine the two girls so that the new guest and KM would not have to share a room. It's all extreme speculation by me, but if that rumor is true, then it makes a big difference in everything, so I wanted to make sure that we don't rule it out without any evidence on way or another. KM was never specifically ID'ed as the reason the girls moved... just that it was to accommodate someone.

And wasn't it mentioned that an aunt also lived there? It was wordered that it could be mother's aunt & sister...
or it could be Celina's aunt & sister. I think it meant CC's aunt & sister, but regardless, that is more people.

Unless the aunt (with someone?) was the one that lived on the top floor/level apartment.

 

[elmomom]

I was under the impression that LN was at work when LE was called - or at least had not yet arrived back home after being told CC was missing. And I find it really strange that the press have not been able to get a detailed interview form any of the neighbors who witnessed the events that morning. There's almost always at least one person who's eager to give all the details of what they saw, what they heard, etc.

Celina was last seen around 9 p.m. July 25. Debbie Baglio, who lives steps from Celina’s home, told the Herald yesterday she called police to report Celina missing the next morning after Celina’s older sister, Kayla, 13, came knocking to ask whether she’d seen the girl.

Baglio said she rushed to Celina’s home to find that the family had not reported the disappearance.

“I don’t know why they didn’t,” said Baglio, who has three daughters about Celina’s age. Celina’s mother, Louisa Noyes, “was hysterical” over the girl’s disappearance, Baglio said.

“I barely got out of her that they hadn’t seen her since 9 o’clock,” she said.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...ome&position=4