Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 7 *Arrest*

[miabellamoure]

Going back and looking at that picture I think it could also be a basement shot. The floor is definitely tile and that mattress could be an air mattress. It is very close to the ground. I think it looks good and certainly not a creepy scary place. jmo

I thought that at first...good, it looks like the basement was livable but, who knows...it might even be a pic of the bedroom she shared with her sister, too.

I don't know what kind of accommodations Celina's Mom could afford and maybe that was the best she could do at this point and the girls slept on air mattresses...I dunno.

 

[mck16]

I thought that at first...good, it looks like the basement was livable but, who knows...it might even be a pic of the bedroom she shared with her sister, too.

I don't know what kind of accommodations Celina's Mom could afford and maybe that was the best she could do at this point and the girls slept on air mattresses...I dunno.

After all the conversations on this forum about the dark dank basement with all the creepy bugs, etc. I was just commenting on the fact that in the picture if it was the basement it did not look bad. That's all.

Bu also as far as them sleeping far away from the parents, LN had to get up every morning and go to work leaving them alone in the house with the males. So, I don't know. If the males were not trustworthy she was in a kind of a catch 22. Hopefully soon we will know the answers to all the questions we have. I would like to think that as a mother she did all she could for her children. jmo

 

[peace9274]

I thought that at first...good, it looks like the basement was livable but, who knows...it might even be a pic of the bedroom she shared with her sister, too.

I don't know what kind of accommodations Celina's Mom could afford and maybe that was the best she could do at this point and the girls slept on air mattresses...I dunno.

I keep trying to see what photos are more recent by the length of Celina's hair.
The photo of her in her PJ's on a mattress, her hair is long.
But the longest I've seen her hair is her mother's wedding photo,
at the end of the video. So, I guess her hair length isn't really telling me anything.

 

[miabellamoure]

My issue is not with the air mattress or floor material. I know a basement can be made into a comfortable bedroom for kids. My problem is with allowing little girls to be sleeping so far away from their parents room, while one or even 2 other adult males are living in the home. I would want my girls sleeping right next door or across the hall, not 2 floors below mw.

Maybe...LN living in a small town perhaps felt like she knew everyone and could even trust some in spite of their flaws and was just one of those people who is nice to everyone, always wanting to help those down on their luck & unfortunately even unsuspectingly naive...I could see this type of person not thinking her children could be in harms way.

I on the other hand have watched too much tv to know what evil might possibly lurk around the corner...

 

[miabellamoure]

After all the conversations on this forum about the dark dank basement with all the creepy bugs, etc. I was just commenting on the fact that in the picture if it was the basement it did not look bad. That's all.

Bu also as far as them sleeping far away from the parents, LN had to get up every morning and go to work leaving them alone in the house with the males. So, I don't know. If the males were not trustworthy she was in a kind of a catch 22. Hopefully soon we will know the answers to all the questions we have. I would like to think that as a mother she did all she could for her children. jmo

Ummm...wasn't saying you were implying that. I was just giving my thoughts when I saw the pic of the bedroom or basement. Nothing more just happened to quote you as being the last one to mention it...no biggie!

 

[cluciano63]

I am watching "Forensic Files" right now, an episode about 13-yr old Heather Church, from Colorado, who was taken out of her bedroom through the window, and her body was found two years later. Her parents were scrutinized, especially her dad, as her parents had just separated and were divorcing. Much later, an arrest was made, a stranger had crept in and took her.

Just kind of reminded me of Celina, alone in her room...

 

[HRCODEPINK]

According to those articles you are right. But now I am wondering where did the story that KM took their bedroom and that is why they were moved to the basement? I know I have seen that posted along with the thought that he was paying rent to them. Maybe just more speculation since there are so few facts. tia

This was the article that said they were moved in the basement when KM moved in:

""NECN has learned that Celina and her sister had recently been sleeping in the basement of their house while a family friend, 23-year-old Kevin Mullaney, was staying with them in Celina's room."

Don't know how they obtained this info. Is this the place that had mentioned the blanket the first day???? Maybe The Farm remembers.

http://www.necn.com/08/03/11/Offici...ng_newengland.html?blockID=545812&feedID=4206

ETA: And it doesn't actually say that they were down there because of him, just that he was staying in her room .

 

[mrye4709]

I read this last night and went back to it, this says Celinas pillow and comforter were on the couch. Maybe she wasn't in the basement that night.......

The story of Celina’s last
evening at home unfolded piece
by piece. At first, it was reported
that Celina was in her
bedroom on her computer when
her family said goodnight
around 9 p.m. Later, reports
stated that she and her older
sister, Kayla, had recently been
sleeping on an air mattress in
the basement. It was also reported
that Celina’s pillow and
comforter were on the couch on
the last night she was seen—as
she was afraid to sleep in the
basement without her sister,
who was at a sleepover at a
friend’s house, it was reported.
Celina was reported missing on
Tuesday morning. While her
family went out to search for
her, a neighbor called 9-1-1.

http://www.colebrookchronicle.com/

 

[elmomom]

My issue is not with the air mattress or floor material. I know a basement can be made into a comfortable bedroom for kids. My problem is with allowing little girls to be sleeping so far away from their parents room, while one or even 2 other adult males are living in the home. I would want my girls sleeping right next door or across the hall, not 2 floors below mw.

I think the problem I have agreeing with this sentiment is that I either trust someone or I don't. If I trust someone enough to bring him into the house, the sleeping locations wouldn't matter to me. If they did, then I wouldn't trust the person enough to bring him in the house. But I totally understand what you're saying and it is hard to imagine trusting either of the 2 enough to take them in!!!

 

[mck16]

This was the article that said they were moved in the basement when KM moved in:

""NECN has learned that Celina and her sister had recently been sleeping in the basement of their house while a family friend, 23-year-old Kevin Mullaney, was staying with them in Celina's room."

Don't know how they obtained this info. Is this the place that had mentioned the blanket the first day???? Maybe The Farm remembers.

http://www.necn.com/08/03/11/Offici...ng_newengland.html?blockID=545812&feedID=4206

ETA: And it doesn't actually say that they were down there because of him, just that he was staying in her room .

It says 'recently' and yet supposedly KM had been there a year. If they had traded recently I wonder what precipitated the switch. More questions.

 

[deelytful1]

I am watching "Forensic Files" right now, an episode about 13-yr old Heather Church, from Colorado, who was taken out of her bedroom through the window, and her body was found two years later. Her parents were scrutinized, especially her dad, as her parents had just separated and were divorcing. Much later, an arrest was made, a stranger had crept in and took her.

Just kind of reminded me of Celina, alone in her room...

Thanks... definitely gives reason for pause in all this craziness. Parents must have experienced 2 tragedies... the daughter missing and the accusations of the community. Sad...

 

[elmomom]

Thanks... definitely gives reason for pause in all this craziness. Parents must have experienced 2 tragedies... the daughter missing and the accusations of the community. Sad...

Jon Benet Ramsey.
No one was more convinced than I that it was the family, and likely Patricia. Now, not so sure. And if it wasn't her, she died a broken-hearted woman and for that I am terribly sorry.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Justice with Judge Jeanine is going to have a segment on Celina. On Fox news now on EST.

 

[JeannieC]

BBM

I believe I have posted at least three times on earlier CC threads about WN being retired from the U.S. Air Force, medically retired from the U.S. Air Force, and/or eligible for disability compensation from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. I have also made the observation that there is a serious lack of knowledge shown on these posts about eligibility for retirement benefits from the uniformed services and disability compensation from the VA. PLEASE do not assume "there wasn't much money coming in" from WN. While I do not know him or the family personally, I have enough knowledge about retirement from the uniformed services (medical or otherwise), VA disability compensation, and Social Security disability benefits (for which he would also be eligible independent of military retirement and VA disability) to be able to state categorically that the vast majority of folks who post on the CC threads would be very surprised at the amount of income tax free money (disability is not taxed by the federal government and the State of New Hampshire has no income tax and no sales tax) WN is eligible to receive every month.

To all veterans who read this post, thank you for your service to our country and to Vietnam veterans, welcome home!

Just one added note. Retirement and disability benefits are based on time and grade. They also base it on percentage of disability. Depending on the type of disability. There is also a limited disability that allows for disability benefits and a final settlement after a certain number of years.

 

[deelytful1]

Justice with Judge Jeanine is going to have a segment on Celina. On Fox news now on EST.

Thanks! I missed it earlier...

 

[elmomom]

It says 'recently' and yet supposedly KM had been there a year. If they had traded recently I wonder what precipitated the switch. More questions.

^this^

I totally agree with you. Every time I hear about the move to the basement it is related as "recent". A year ago is not "recent" to most people, and it always gets my hinky meter up that something ELSE changed. Recently.

 

[JeannieC]

I am not arguing legal charges...
just thinking of possibilities. I know it would not matter to the courts whether she was meant to die or not. But I still believe it would not be that unusual for some people to prefer getting rid of a body to calling police and owning up to their part in it, especially if they might be charged with murder. I just don't know how we can know at this point if Celina was intentionally killed , or she died as a result of someone's actions, or some other way.

That is exactly what CA and the Anthonys claimed. An accident, fear, and a cover up. I can't imagine putting your child, friend, or family member in a lake or burying her because of fear. jmo

 

[elmomom]

That is exactly what CA and the Anthonys claimed. An accident, fear, and a cover up. I can't imagine putting your child, friend, or family member in a lake or burying her because of fear. jmo

Please do come see us on the Lauren Spierer thread then. It's the whole case so far. Accidental overdose perhaps a little pre existing medical condition thrown in, and a whole bunch - or just one - or pick and choose - friends that hid her corpse and ran for cover to avoid fessing up about their drinking and drugging.... because in Indiana they call that murder.
They just passed the Good Samaritan Law in NY that absolves people from legal charges for calling 911 to help a friend who has overdosed. They think it will save many lives. Many kids just leave their friends to die rather than help them. Some run for cover too. Sad.

 

[JeannieC]

I read this last night and went back to it, this says Celinas pillow and comforter were on the couch. Maybe she wasn't in the basement that night.......

The story of Celina’s last
evening at home unfolded piece
by piece. At first, it was reported
that Celina was in her
bedroom on her computer when
her family said goodnight
around 9 p.m. Later, reports
stated that she and her older
sister, Kayla, had recently been
sleeping on an air mattress in
the basement. It was also reported
that Celina’s pillow and
comforter were on the couch on
the last night she was seen—as
she was afraid to sleep in the
basement without her sister,
who was at a sleepover at a
friend’s house, it was reported.
Celina was reported missing on
Tuesday morning. While her
family went out to search for
her, a neighbor called 9-1-1.

http://www.colebrookchronicle.com/

Thank you, mrye4709. That changes what we were all thinking. So sad, she was afraid to be in the basement alone yet she disappeared from the livingroom where she felt safe.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

I agree that it seems there is enough to think that this was murder. I think somewhere earlier this evening someone did a pretty good analysis of the AAG's wording. And it seemed apparent to me at the time that there was some visual evidence of what happened to Celina. And if that is the case... it's not a drug overdose (given to her - I am not accusing her of doing drugs) and it is likely not to be a physical accident (falling down stairs) since she was wrapped and disposed of.
So, what leaves visible evidence? Trauma, beating. Violent sexual abuse. Strangulation usually does.

I would also be curious to know if there are statistics available regarding children who have departed this earth too early. (i.e. run over by car accidentally, parent accidentally rolled over while sleeping... I mean unintentional or intentional fatal injuries ) What could statistics show are the most common reasons an 11 year old would die.

This was the most interesting article I could find: Cinderella effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Also this (regarding New York, but still contains some general statistics) http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/episrv/episrv-childfatality-book09.pdf

"Alternative hypotheses
It has been noted by multiple researchers that child abuse is an intricate issue and is affected by other factors.[15][37][38] Daly and Wilson state, however, that even if evolutionary psychology cannot account for every instance of stepparental abuse, this does not invalidate their empirical findings.[34]
Burgess and Drais propose that child maltreatment is too complex to be explained fully by genetic relatedness alone and cite other reasons for child maltreatment, such as social factors, ecological factors and child traits such as disability and age.[15] However, they also note that these traits are simply indicative, and do not inevitably lead to child maltreatment.[15] Temrin and colleagues also suggest that there may be other factors involved with child homicide, such as prior convictions, drug abuse problems, lost custody battles and mental health problems.[37]
In 1984, Giles-Sims and David Finkelhor categorized and evaluated five possible hypotheses that could explain the Cinderella effect: “social-evolutionary theory,” “normative theory,” “stress theory,” “selection factors” and “resource theory”. The social-evolutionary theory is based on the proposal that non-genetically related parents will invest less in costly parental duties, due to the fact that their genes are not being passed on by that individual. The normative theory proposes that, due to genetic repercussions, incest among genetically related individuals is a widespread taboo and would thus be less common among biological relatives. They propose that incest among stepfamilies would be less taboo, since there is no risk of genetic degradation. The stress theory proposes that increased stressors, which are inherently more common among stepfamilies, cause an increased risk of abuse. The selection factors theory proposes that individuals who are likely to be stepparents (divorcees) are likely to be inherently more violent due to emotional disturbances, aggressive impulses, and self-esteem issues. Due to this, stepparents as a group would have a higher proportion of individuals with violent-prone characteristics, which would suggest that the abuse is happening due to personality factors, rather than the stepparental relationship directly. Finally, according to resource theory, individuals who contribute resources are granted authority, while individuals that lack resources are denied authority and more likely to resort to violence to obtain authority. It is therefore hypothesized that stepparents who are able to contribute resources to a family and have those resources be accepted by the family are less likely to be abusive. However, this hypothesis had yet to be tested directly on stepfamilies.[38] This paper of Giles-Sims and Finkelhor predates however practically all empirical studies on the Cinderella effect."