Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 7 *Arrest*

[daisy.faithfull]

Thanks for the link! As excruciating as it must have been for LN to ride on the float, it was a great way for KL and Celina's friends to celebrate Celina's life. The float was KL's last-minute idea, and I'm sure it was therapeutic for her and CC's friends. They had fun making it, and the girls dressed in Celina's "treasured princess outfits."

I'm so worried for the children in the town, I really hope that there will be professionals at the town's school to help them deal with all of this.

 

[passionflower]

as in Jaycee's case the monster offered drugs before rape...........

 

[Noway]

as in Jaycee's case the monster offered drugs before rape...........

Are you referring to another case? Or have I missed something?

 

[MarthaM]

The one piece of evidence we know so far that gives me reason to suspect this is not a stranger abduction is the alleged blanket wrapped around her body.

Do we even know if that's true? I know there was one news source that reported that, but I won't believe it until LE says so.

Considering this child is 11, the talk of "accidental" drug overdoes makes no sense.

I agree.

Thanks for that reminder. I had forgotten that her grandfather was suspected because of something in his past. A great case in point on why those speculated about in this case because of their past may not have any involvement in this crime.

I guess that's a lesson that might never be learned. And it's not even just because of a person's past. In case after case, fingers have been pointed at someone who, it turns out, had nothing to do with a crime. I think that's an awful thing to do to a person.

 

[mck16]

Do we even know if that's true? I know there was one news source that reported that, but I won't believe it until LE says so.



I agree.



I guess that's a lesson that might never be learned. And it's not even just because of a person's past. In case after case, fingers have been pointed at someone who, it turns out, had nothing to do with a crime. I think that's an awful thing to do to a person.

Sadly, as has been posted here, statistics prove otherwise. Personally, I cannot imagine. jmo

 

[elmomom]

Do we even know if that's true? I know there was one news source that reported that, but I won't believe it until LE says so.

There are multiple news sources reporting this, not just one.

I agree.

When people are speaking of accidental drug overdose they are NOT suggesting that Celina took them herself, so her age is irrelevant. They are suggesting that perhaps her killer gave them to her to subdue her and accidentlally gave her enough to kill her when that was not his intent.

I guess that's a lesson that might never be learned. And it's not even just because of a person's past. In case after case, fingers have been pointed at someone who, it turns out, had nothing to do with a crime. I think that's an awful thing to do to a person.

Unfortunately parents of murdered children are considered the most likely suspects, not just by regular people, but by LE - it's a statistics thing. Until LE tells me that they've cleared parents of a murdered child, or the spouse or SO of a murdered woman, I always suspect those people. It is part of the tragedy that befalls the family of murder victims, but it cannot be helped.

 

[elmomom]

The visual evidence that he AG referred to could simply have been the blanket she was wrapped in. That alone would be enough visual evidence to open a criminal investigation. But it would not rule out a case where someone dies from a drug overdose, intentional or accidental, and someone disposes of the body.

I disagree. The AAG referred to both visual evidence seen while CC was inside the water, and more visual evidence seen when she was examined outside the water. If it were just the blanket, there would have been no mention of visual evidence seen when Celina was examined out of the water.

 

[mrye4709]

If she was on the couch, why did mom not notice she was gone when she got ready and left for work? This still bothers me. Of course the layout of the house may be in such a manner she would not have walked through this room, I guess.

That kind of puts the rumor of WN washing sheets to rest, but brings up why did no one hear anything if she WAS on the couch. I hope they figure it out soon.

 

[MarthaM]

There are multiple news sources reporting this, not just one.

(the blanket)

As I remember it, one news source reported that and some others picked it up from that. I'm going to wait and see about that detail.

When people are speaking of accidental drug overdose they are NOT suggesting that Celina took them herself, so her age is irrelevant. They are suggesting that perhaps her killer gave them to her to subdue her and accidentlally gave her enough to kill her when that was not his intent.

Actually, it had been suggested that she took them herself. Perhaps the post(s) have been removed by now.

Unfortunately parents of murdered children are considered the most likely suspects, not just by regular people, but by LE - it's a statistics thing. Until LE tells me that they've cleared parents of a murdered child, or the spouse or SO of a murdered woman, I always suspect those people. It is part of the tragedy that befalls the family of murder victims, but it cannot be helped.

Of course everyone in the family can and should be considered a suspect until they're ruled out. But I'm not talking about mere consideration. I'm talking about really crucifying a family member and being convinced to the nth degree that they're guilty and completely trashing them. Happens all the time, and I think it's ugly.

 

[mck16]

Has there been any mention of DNA testing or taking samples from any one? Baden mentioned on Fox last night that they would also do testing for semen. He said that if there had been rape, the sperm would still be there even though she was in water. I think this may be one test they are waiting on. He called it serology tests. I also think that testing the blood could tell them a great deal other than drugs. Levels that would be normal before death. They can tell so much from blood now. jmo

 

[mck16]

(the blanket)

As I remember it, one news source reported that and some others picked it up from that. I'm going to wait and see about that detail.



Actually, it had been suggested that she took them herself. Perhaps the post(s) have been removed by now.



Of course everyone in the family can and should be considered a suspect until they're ruled out. But I'm not talking about mere consideration. I'm talking about really crucifying a family member and being convinced to the nth degree that they're guilty and completely trashing them. Happens all the time, and I think it's ugly.

I agree with your last statement. That is not what anyone wants to believe and before I was on this forum, I thought it was ridiculous to think a family member could do something to one of their own. However, after seeing facts and results of many cases I have come to believe. I hate it but it does happen more often than not. jmo

 

[elmomom]

Has there been any mention of DNA testing or taking samples from any one? Baden mentioned on Fox last night that they would also do testing for semen. He said that if there had been rape, the sperm would still be there even though she was in water. I think this may be one test they are waiting on. He called it serology tests. I also think that testing the blood could tell them a great deal other than drugs. Levels that would be normal before death. They can tell so much from blood now. jmo

The AAG is very tight lipped and has not mentioned if anyone has been asked to provide a DNA sample. There were reports that WN was uncooperative, though it was not specified how he was uncooperative. He was brought in to be questioned, so we do not know if he refused a polygraph, did not answer questions, or did not provide a DNA sample if asked.
Although everyone is so overly focused on "toxicology" tests, the AAG actually did NOT say that the autopsy was pending due to toxicology tests. What she actually said was that it was pending due to toxicology AND OTHER INVESTIGATIVE tests. That certainly could be DNA testing, and to me likely is.

 

[skier]

(the blanket)

As I remember it, one news source reported that and some others picked it up from that. I'm going to wait and see about that detail.



Actually, it had been suggested that she took them herself. Perhaps the post(s) have been removed by now.



Of course everyone in the family can and should be considered a suspect until they're ruled out. But I'm not talking about mere consideration. I'm talking about really crucifying a family member and being convinced to the nth degree that they're guilty and completely trashing them. Happens all the time, and I think it's ugly.

Is it possible that Celina was lured out of her home to meet someone she had been on line with. As far as the blanket goes, could she have taken it with her? Something nags at me about this case, things do not add up. I hope this does not end up a cold case. Whoever did this, they were not too smart by dumping the body in the river as there are miles of woods up there where you could put someone and they would never be found. Just my opinion. skier

 

[mck16]

Is it possible that Celina was lured out of her home to meet someone she had been on line with. As far as the blanket goes, could she have taken it with her? Something nags at me about this case, things do not add up. I hope this does not end up a cold case. Whoever did this, they were not too smart by dumping the body in the river as there are miles of woods up there where you could put someone and they would never be found. Just my opinion. skier

As far as CC being lured out of her home, I think there could be a very good chance she was. The thought came to me that because there were not very many kids in town, I believe there were 9 children in her class, that maybe she had older friends. Maybe friends of KM or NN, or just 'older' friends. If she were going to have more friends than the 9 in her class I guess some would have to be older. Younger kids always want to be older and fit in. I just wish we had comments, etc. from more of the children in town. jmo

 

[MarthaM]

Is it possible that Celina was lured out of her home to meet someone she had been on line with. As far as the blanket goes, could she have taken it with her? Something nags at me about this case, things do not add up. I hope this does not end up a cold case. Whoever did this, they were not too smart by dumping the body in the river as there are miles of woods up there where you could put someone and they would never be found. Just my opinion. skier

I think the reason why things don't add up is because there are hardly any facts to go on at this point. We don't even know how accurate the details in the 'timeline' are. Most of what we have to go on are little snippets that 'someone said', very few real facts.

 

[teedie2]

A crime-scene photographer yesterday snapped pictures of Celina’s home, a multi-family house that Robbie Kimball, the owner of nearby Wayne’s Lanes and Jo’s Grill, called “a party stable.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view

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This week I have learned two new expressions. "Party stable" on this thread, and "party store" on Mariha Smith's thread.

"Stable" makes it sound so much worse than if they said party house, or such. And party store ... well, is that just an expression, or are there stores named Party Store?

I hope Celina's dad improves and is able to have the surgery he needs. Celina, a tragedy, her dad, a tragedy in the making, and the third tragedy ... someone, likely family, will be arrested for Celina's murder.

Why do people kill? Wish I knew. Rarely is a murderer's situation made better by the commission of a murder .. well, as far as we know, anyway. Someone who has committed an unsolved murder must be just a tad nervous about being exposed somewhere down the road.

Celina must have been really looking forward to her braces, and now they are never to be.

One last thought .. I hope NO ONE is sleeping in that basement now, unless an adult.

 

[matou]

< snip>

This week I have learned two new expressions. "Party stable" on this thread, and "party store" on Mariha Smith's thread.

"Stable" makes it sound so much worse than if they said party house, or such. And party store ... well, is that just an expression, or are there stores named Party Store?

I hope Celina's dad improves and is able to have the surgery he needs. Celina, a tragedy, her dad, a tragedy in the making, and the third tragedy ... someone, likely family, will be arrested for Celina's murder.

Why do people kill? Wish I knew. Rarely is a murderer's situation made better by the commission of a murder .. well, as far as we know, anyway. Someone who has committed an unsolved murder must be just a tad nervous about being exposed somewhere down the road.

Celina must have been really looking forward to her braces, and now they are never to be.

One last thought .. I hope NO ONE is sleeping in that basement now, unless an adult.

The term 'party stable' had me concerned as well and I'm not sure if this is just a rumour from the locals. On my street, there were neighbors living in a semi-detached that the neighbourhood nicknamed 'the ranch' and there were parties and people going in and out all the time. The term ranch was because people were just sitting on their front steps drinking and being obnoxious even though I doubt ranches are really like that at all. Party stable has me worried though.

Party store makes me think that people were buying things at 'the store' (Mariha's case). JMO

 

[peace9274]

Is it possible that Celina was lured out of her home to meet someone she had been on line with. As far as the blanket goes, could she have taken it with her? Something nags at me about this case, things do not add up. I hope this does not end up a cold case. Whoever did this, they were not too smart by dumping the body in the river as there are miles of woods up there where you could put someone and they would never be found. Just my opinion. skier

BBM

On the day of & the very first days following reports of Celina missing, I think that's what most of us speculated.
Then we learned about the histories & mental health status of those living in the house with her.

At that point, most of the speculations changed from being lured by a stranger or a FB friend to someone Celina knew.

 

[bstnh1]

Is it possible that Celina was lured out of her home to meet someone she had been on line with. As far as the blanket goes, could she have taken it with her? Something nags at me about this case, things do not add up. I hope this does not end up a cold case. Whoever did this, they were not too smart by dumping the body in the river as there are miles of woods up there where you could put someone and they would never be found. Just my opinion. skier

Anything is possible. But I rather doubt it. Celina was a very shy girl who wouldn't talk to someone she didn't know even if her sister or mother was talking to them without looking to her sister or mom approval to talk to the person she didn't know. I've neither seen nor read any reports that indicate she resisted authority or misbehaved in any way. Being that shy, I doubt she was lured away after 9:30 at night by anyone - stranger, friend or otherwise. It just seems it would be way out of character for her.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Who's truck was seized first? Does the red truck belong to KM and the silver one to the SF?

I would love to be able to read the affidavit written by the lead investigator that would be attached to both search warrants.

Are both trucks still impounded or have they been returned?

thanks