Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 8 *Arrest*

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  • #301
Well....unless you are a chemist, no one can expect perfection. :D

I am neither chemist, nor forensic anthropologist. Luckily for all of us, I will never be called to testify as an expert witness, especially in trying to predict the moves of Jane Young, AAG. I think Ms Facetious might be though... She might want to start brushing up on her chemistry. :D
 
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Any new news? I'm so hoping they have a presser today, especially since they are finished with the parade thing. That would have been inappropriate timing IMO.

No, but I'm hoping for something, tonight after the memorial service ... or tomorrow morning.

In the meantime... I'm washing windows in between checking here.
 
  • #304
I'm not giving up hope that we'll know who the perp is, tonight or tomorrow.

Thank you - trying to keep hope, your optimism helps :). I always get a sinking feeling in these cases, the longer time goes on without an arrest!
 
  • #305
Remeber how they couldn't arrest Scott Peterson, but were keeping a very close eye on him?

Good example, and doesn't appear Mr. Peterson was even aware that he was being watched (and, too bad for him, listened to!).

Seems a little odd that LN wanted so much privacy, but was shortly thereafter riding the float in the town parade. Maybe it's her way of healing or bonding with the community. It did cross my mind, however, that LE might have asked the town commissioner and the family to move forward with the festivities so they could observe the behaviors of a good portion of the town (including family) at one time and in one place. If they don't have a known suspect at this point, they could also have been watching to see if some stranger showed up and why. Seen it before...
 
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Good example, and doesn't appear Mr. Peterson was even aware that he was being watched (and, too bad for him, listened to!).

Seems a little odd that LN wanted so much privacy, but was shortly thereafter riding the float in the town parade. Maybe it's her way of healing or bonding with the community. It did cross my mind, however, that LE might have asked the town commissioner and the family to move forward with the festivities so they could observe the behaviors of a good portion of the town (including family) at one time and in one place. If they don't have a known suspect at this point, they could also have been watching to see if some stranger showed up and why. Seen it before...

About the parade, I've wondered if perhaps LN is taking sedatives since this all happened, and perhaps she is just going along with what others are suggesting she do. I think I remember someone saying that the float was Celina's sister's idea? Mom might be just "going through the motions" at this point, either at the direction of others, or perhaps going along because it was important to the sister?
 
  • #307
I think some people are referring to the stepfather being in the hospital ward...

I think he can check himself out of there anytime he wants though. He went in on his own,, I believe they can hold them for 72 hours for observation (if they choose to force that) and then after that the patient can decide what they want to do...The only way they can be forced to stay is by a judges order, and i have not seen anything like that in this case regarding his current status...

I wouldn't be all that surprised if he was the funeral today...hopefully being hidden from the media. I say that because if he didn't do anything wrong, all of this attention on him could be very damaging for him

moo
 
  • #308
Wondering if anyone else has sleuthed the town's lone RSO, Daniel N, convicted in 1998 for aggravated felonious sexual assault on a victim under 13yo?

I'm trying to place his registered address on HollyE's map and can't seem to do it. HollyE, can you try? It's listed on the state police site as 953 Bear Rock Rd, West Stewartstown, NH. When I play with it, it comes up in Colebrook.

Either way, fairly close.

Thanks for doing this! IIRC, Jane Young did mention that RSOs in the area would be checked as part of the investigation.

Imagine it's par for the course to check out RSOs connected with the family in these matters as well. I wonder if WN's RSO relatives are local and if they are accounted for during the time frame Celina is estimated to have gone missing.
 
  • #309
I don't see any reason for LE/DA to leave a suspected killer on the streets. IF that is the case I find that perplexing and disturbing.

If they have already solved the case (I suspect they have), and if the perpetrator is not considered a danger or flight risk, the public’s need to know is outweighed by LE need to gather sufficient evidence to be assured of a conviction. I would see no reason for LE to be in hurry to make an arrest.

While we would all like to know now, wouldn’t it be better to wait a week or a month than to have the case go to trial and have the perpetrator walk.
 
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Remeber how they couldn't arrest Scott Peterson, but were keeping a very close eye on him?

Exactly. Even if LE has a suspect, unless there is enough evidence they are not going to make an arrest.
 
  • #312
I slept well last night, but I went to bed and woke up a few times thinking about this case. I had some gruesome thoughts. So feel free to ignore me if you have a weak stomach.

The truck and trash can got me thinking about how someone would move a body from a basement. This is assuming that Celina was killed in the basement, of course. And we don't know that yet. But let's assume that for the sake of these points.

1. Celina was a tall girl, I believe. She wasn't light. The person who moved her had to go up stairs. This would be extremely difficult to accomplish without help. My son is only 8, and he weighs 80 pounds. I can't carry him very far when he's asleep. So someone had to be strong or had to have some help from a second person or from some sort of device. My money is on the trash can.

2. Moving a body, especially one that heavy, requires time. That means the killer needed a good 10-15 minutes to commit the crime, dump the body and scram.

3. During daylight hours, the killer surely would expect to be spotted leaving the house, jumping into a vehicle, driving down the road or standing near the river. To reduce this chance, the killer must have acted in the pre-dawn morning hours. While it's possible to dump a body in broad daylight, why would someone dump the body in town? Why not drive 20 minutes into the countryside? The person either couldn't risk being away that long or had some big cajones. My money is on someone acting quickly. That leans away from a stranger, who would have all sorts of time to dump the body in a location that is more difficult to find. Acting hastily also increases the chance of making some blunders and makes it likely that the perpetrator was trying to make sure nobody noticed they were missing.

4. The risk of being caught would have been much greater if people were awake in the house. This seems to suggest that this occurred while everyone but the perpetrator was asleep. With that many people in the house, it's likely that someone was up past midnight. Heck, I don't go to bed until after 2 a.m. a lot of nights. A lot of people are up and moving by 6 a.m. So this really narrows the window. They might be able to narrow it more via phone records and computer usage.

5. I sleep very lightly. If my wife walks into the bedroom, I'm awake. If someone flips a light switch, I'm awake. If someone in the house committed this crime, how did they do it without waking anyone? I can't imagine that they could. If this crime occurred while people were home, someone can tell the police who was up and moving around during the night. Or did the crime occur while the house was mostly empty?

6. The amount of noise should not be underestimated. If there was a struggle at the home, that would be noisy. The biggest noise probably would occur while moving Celina's body. Don't forget that someone went up the stairs and likely used a vehicle. Trucks tend to be noisy. If someone starts a truck in my driveway, I'm probably going to hear it, but I might not. If I'm a killer with a body, though, I'm probably not going to take that risk. That old house probably has some leaky windows and walls. Sound probably travels right through that place.

7. I'm assuming now that the trash can was used to move the body up the stairs. I'm assuming, too, that there is an exterior door to the basement. So the person moved the trash can down the steps, tossed this sweet little girl into the trash can and then moved the can. Well, you can't move a body that heavy without having to drag the can. So there should be marks on the steps and marks on the trash can. Plus, there could be marks on the truck or paint from the truck on the outside of the trash can.

8. A random person isn't going to know that a little girl is living in the basement. Only someone with knowledge could know that. So the person had to know Celina. That dramatically cuts down the list of suspects to locals and people who conversed with her online.

9. A random killer might grab a trash can from the yard. But that person isn't going to bring it back to the house. Only someone who lives in the house would do that. If that trash can was in the back of someone's truck when the police responded, you can draw your own conclusions.

10. They seized two trucks. Why a truck? Someone must have said something. Someone heard a truck running or saw a truck on the road. Did they see the trash can, too? So they decided to check out both of these trucks.

I predict that the trash can will be a key clue in this case. They could link the can to the stairs, to a vehicle and to the blanket/sheet used to wrap Celina. The fact that the can made it back to the house would put the spotlight on someone in that house. Phone and computer records could narrow the window during which the crime was committed, and that could determine who has a solid alibi and who doesn't.
 
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Celina's mother, sister, friends & grandmother were on the float. Does anyone remember what CC's maternal grandmother's name is or initials are?
 
  • #315
Celina's mother, sister, friends & grandmother were on the float. Does anyone remember what CC's maternal grandmother's name is or initials are?

Marcia Cass, IIRC

ETA: Oops - Marcia Cass is not right. Marcia Laro is AL's mom.

Here is the obit listing of family members; is her mom Beverly Hibbard?:

Family members include her mother of West Stewartstown and her father of Columbia; her step-father, Wendell Noyes, or West Stewartstown; a sister, Kayla Laro, of West Stewartstown; her brother, Adam Laro, of Canaan, Vt.; paternal grandparents, Wally and Marcia Laro, of Columbia; Nana and Papa Beverly and Elliot Hibbard; and many aunts, uncles and cousins.
 
  • #316
Marcia Cass, IIRC

THANK YOU! What about WN's mother (her name?), who was sitting on the wall on the side of the road, in front of CC's house, watching the parade?
 
  • #317
I may just need to find the link to hollye's List of Characters.... I'm looking for a particular name, & wonder who it is.
 
  • #318
To Heinekenman:

I think the trash can and a truck will end up showing evidence in this case. Moving Celina up the stairs is where I have doubts. Like you said, the person would have to be quiet and this would mean that Celina was unconscious, muffled or dead at the time she was moved. If she were on the couch that night, she may have answered a knock at the door and been lured out of the house for the crime to occur outside or away from the house. The blanket, if it came from the house, would make it more likely to me that the initial crime happened inside of the house somewhere. If the blanket came from somewhere other than the house, it could be a sheet or blanket someone had in their truck already. JMO

I can't wait for more info to come out in this case. The mom crying hysterically is understandable to me as a mother of a young daughter myself, but to be hysterical right from the starting gate makes me think that she saw something that tipped her off that the worst happened.
 
  • #319
JMO but I honestly don't think we will ever know what happened. Sound familiar?
 
  • #320
THANK YOU! What about WN's mother (her name?), who was sitting on the wall on the side of the road, in front of CC's house, watching the parade?

Sorry, Marcia Cass was incorrect (Marcia Laro is AL's mom). I edited my previous response:

Here is the obit listing of family members; is LN's mom Beverly Hibbard?:

Family members include her mother of West Stewartstown and her father of Columbia; her step-father, Wendell Noyes, or West Stewartstown; a sister, Kayla Laro, of West Stewartstown; her brother, Adam Laro, of Canaan, Vt.; paternal grandparents, Wally and Marcia Laro, of Columbia; Nana and Papa Beverly and Elliot Hibbard; and many aunts, uncles and cousins.
 
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