Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 8 *Arrest*

[elmomom]

I was just thinking of something. I know they taped off the house and stuff, the media was there. But did we see or hear of them taking any evidence out of the house? I don't think i've seen anything about that.

I'm sure the first day they took the computers and phones, but other than that i've heard nothing. :waitasec:

And in fact just this very day I read something about that.

Granite State cops from the Major Crimes Unit also removed barrels of evidence yesterday at the girl’s home in West Stewartstown after securing a search warrant.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/r...dad_cries_out_for_justice_celina_cass_murder/

 

[tehcloser]

"removed barrels of evidence "

What odd wording.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I have to disagree that 95 lbs is hard to move. I'm 5'2 and can throw my husband over my shoulder and carry him around. Granted he's not dead weight, but he's 6'2" and weighs 165 (40 lbs more than me). I could throw my brothers over my shoulder when I was 15 y/o. So I think it could depend on how they carried her out.

As far as MM, I have no clue who MM is nor have I seen anyone by those initials referenced here. Man w/goatee is not NN who is also in the picture at the vigil. Could someone clarify who MM is?

 

[iamnotagolem]

One more question, do we know for a fact that CC was 95 lbs? Going by the pictures that I've seen of her I would guess she's closer to 120-130 lbs, which is considerably more to carry if she's dead weight.

 

[KorCat]

I want to know what is known about KM<modsnip>....

 

[tambo]

And in fact just this very day I read something about that.


http://news.bostonherald.com/news/r...dad_cries_out_for_justice_celina_cass_murder/

:tyou:

 

[elmomom]

Random answers so forgive me for not quoting the questions

I believe that WN's mothers name is Tommie Noyes but I am not sure on the last name. Am sure of the Tommy or Tommie.

MM is a boyfriend of either a family relative or close friend. The only reason he has been brought up is trying to find a picture of KM at family gathering s he came up as a possibility. His picture was later id'ed as MM who has no place in this case as far as we know.

"barrels of evidence" seems to have replaced "boxes and bags" as stated in an earlier version of the story that I found quoted elsewhere. Not only is it odd phrasing, but the Herald changed it to that specifically. Odd.

 

[matou]

"removed barrels of evidence "

What odd wording.

Could the barrels be the garbage cans we saw in the back of the silver truck? We saw red and green garbage cans with stuff sticking out them.

 

[BeanE]

Random answers so forgive me for not quoting the questions

I believe that WN's mothers name is Tommie Noyes but I am not sure on the last name. Am sure of the Tommy or Tommie.

Different last name.

http://www.bostonherald.com/galleries/index.php?gallery_id=5603

 

[elmomom]

Different last name.

http://www.bostonherald.com/galleries/index.php?gallery_id=5603

Thank you for looking it up. There are some interesting comments about WN and how his mother may have raised him (look in the comments)
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/r...dad_cries_out_for_justice_celina_cass_murder/

 

[peace9274]

I have to disagree that 95 lbs is hard to move. I'm 5'2 and can throw my husband over my shoulder and carry him around. Granted he's not dead weight, but he's 6'2" and weighs 165 (40 lbs more than me). I could throw my brothers over my shoulder when I was 15 y/o. So I think it could depend on how they carried her out.

As far as MM, I have no clue who MM is nor have I seen anyone by those initials referenced here. Man w/goatee is not NN who is also in the picture at the vigil. Could someone clarify who MM is?

OMG LOL I need coffee. Yesterday I knew who MM was... can't remeber now. :banghead:

I've been off sleuthing a whole different area. But, as soon as I have my 2nd cupo'coffee, MM will come back to me.

 

[peace9274]

OMG LOL I need coffee. Yesterday I knew who MM was... can't remeber now. :banghead:

I've been off sleuthing a whole different area. But, as soon as I have my 2nd cupo'coffee, MM will come back to me.

OK now I''ve got it. MM is a friend of the family. Not a suspect at all. MM is the goatee beard guy.

 

[peace9274]

I want to know what is known about Kevin Mullaney....

FYI: MM does not have the same last name as Kevin M.

 

[MarthaM]

At this point I don't see the trash cans in the truck as necessarily being terribly important. I'm guessing that a town that small probably doesn't have curbside trash pickup, and people take their own trash to a disposal site. That's how it was when I lived in a town similar to that one. Of course, there could be evidence in them, but we don't know that. I'm just saying that the trash cans didn't jump out at me as unusual or incriminating.

The use of 'barrel' in that story is peculiar, but I wonder if that's a term they're using to describe the containers that LE removed their evidence in?

I still think (hope) that LE & the AG office don't have enough to arrest anyone yet or they'd have done so.

 

[HeinekenMan]

I have to disagree that 95 lbs is hard to move. I'm 5'2 and can throw my husband over my shoulder and carry him around. Granted he's not dead weight, but he's 6'2" and weighs 165 (40 lbs more than me). I could throw my brothers over my shoulder when I was 15 y/o. So I think it could depend on how they carried her out.

You must be really strong. I can bench press 250 pounds. I do bent-over rows with 65 pound dumb bells. I can barely pull that weight from my ankles to my hips. And that's about 130 pounds. Celina probably weighed 90-130 pounds. It would require a great deal of effort to lift that much weight from a floor or a bed or sofa. I might be able to handle my son's weight. But it would be a struggle. And the person would need to open a door and climb a flight of stairs. And the had to do it without making a lot of noise or breathing heavy.

My guess is that the person either dragged her body or used something to carry it. The fact that they took a trash can with the truck seems like a clue. Another possibility is that she walked out of that house under her own power. And that brings up a whole bunch of other questions.

 

[peace9274]

At this point I don't see the trash cans in the truck as necessarily being terribly important. I'm guessing that a town that small probably doesn't have curbside trash pickup, and people take their own trash to a disposal site. That's how it was when I lived in a town similar to that one. Of course, there could be evidence in them, but we don't know that. I'm just saying that the trash cans didn't jump out at me as unusual or incriminating.

The use of 'barrel' in that story is peculiar, but I wonder if that's a term they're using to describe the containers that LE removed their evidence in?

I still think (hope) that LE & the AG office don't have enough to arrest anyone yet or they'd have done so.

BBM

You may be right, but I think they've narrowed it down to one person, and are waiting
until after the funeral & memorial service, to arrest him or to make a statement.

(FYI... I just realized this is my 1000th post!)

 

[k4kathy]

It doesn't make sense that WN would be posting on FB at 911am. Wouldn't LE be at the house by then? I just can't picture how this could be.....
LE- Sir, when did you last see your stepdaughter?
WN-Hold on a sec, I gotta finish my post on Facebook.

Just doesn't make reasonable sense to be on the computer fb-ing instead of scouring the area looking for the missing stepdaughter or at least consoling the disraught spouse.
Maybe the different time zones make it appear that WN posted on FB at 911am, could it have really been 711am his time? IDK.... I'm unsure how the time differences would show up. Can anyone help me on this?

 

[Kat]

Women murder men and dispose of the bodies while alone quite often. If anyone wants I can google search and put some names up. Those women are quite capable of lifting and moving grown men by themselves so it goes to reason for me that a young or older male or a woman for that matter could have easily moved Celina's body (if she were killed in the house). JMHO.

Adrenaline can give extra strength when it is on full throttle.

Also, IIRC the Mother's bedroom was on 3rd floor while Celina may have been located in basement or possibly 2nd floor (I am assuming livingroom is on 2nd floor, it may not have been) but let's just go with basement for now--

One would not have to pick up a body and carry it far if one wrapped that body in a blanket and drug it to a door, drug it up steps (did that basement have a door leading outside? If so that would only be a few steps at most) drag that body to a vehicle, and then lift--see what I mean?

If the adults are on the 3rd floor and this happened in the basement I have no issue in believing that there was not enough noise if there was dragging that would alert anyone's attention. Many times I can't hear what is going on down on our first floor when I'm on the second floor as an example.

We don't know COD so it might have been "soft kill" for all I can guess. Just some thoughts and only IMHO.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Some people refer to trash cans as trash barrels. It could be something they say in the northeast. Or it could refer to some other containers. I don't know why anyone would use a barrel to pack evidence.

 

[MarthaM]

We don't know where the mother's bedroom is located (3rd floor seems unlikely), and we don't know that Celina disappeared/was taken from the basement.