Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 8 *Arrest*

[iamnotagolem]

A few questions I would like answers to:

2. Mom's job. We have been told by some sources that she worked in a retail consignment shop, and that this is where she was that night. This seems REALLY hard to believe. Is the second hand, thrift-store, consignment sales world so fast paced that the employees pull all-nighters? To be blunt, I doubt the owners pull all nighters; why would they?

Do you have a link to that? I must have missed that mom was gone during the night. I thought she left for work that morning and the shop opens at 9am.

 

[HeinekenMan]

http://www.examiner.com/news-analysis-in-national/disturbing-new-facts-emerge-celina-cass-suspicious-death-picture#slide=36207011

What?

Many on-line articles reporting Celina Cass' body was located in Back Pond.

What is happening with so-called "journalism" in this country?

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Examiner articles are often written by novices. They get paid a very small amount for web hits. They are not professional journalists. Some of the writers might be trained in journalism, but I would not accept anything you read in one of those articles as fact.

 

[bstnh1]

The memorial tonight is being referred to as a "celebration" of Celina's life. This is typical for New England and it will be a joyous, not a somber event. This type of "party", if you will, is very commonplace around here. Even the wakes here are no longer somber, mournful affairs. They are respectful, but there's also a lot of laughing, joking, etc. The festival honoring Celina was right in line with what has become fairly traditional here.

 

[peace9274]

Adam Laro said the funeral for his daughter will be private and that she will be buried next to her grandmother in Lancaster.

http://www.newhampshire.com/article/20110804/NEWS03/708049971/0/newhampshire03

Is this LCN's mom she'll be buried next to?

AFAIK, Louisa's mother was on the float.
Wendell's mother watched the parade.
Adam's mother has spoken to the press.
So, maybe one of those is a step-grandma...
or she's being buried next to a Gr grandmother?

 

[elmomom]

My answers, in black

A few questions I would like answers to:

1. Obviously, who did it, why, and when are they getting charged etc...
obviously!

2. Mom's job. We have been told by some sources that she worked in a retail consignment shop, and that this is where she was that night. This seems REALLY hard to believe. Is the second hand, thrift-store, consignment sales world so fast paced that the employees pull all-nighters? To be blunt, I doubt the owners pull all nighters; why would they?
Mom did not work nights and nothing was reported that she did, she left early before WN went to wake up CC.

3. Was Celina wrapped in a blanket or not?
Yes this has been reported by more than one major, primary news outlet.

4. Why, exactly, is Celina's mom in a wheelchair? And when did whatever ailment placed her there begin?
She was brought to the hospital on last Wed after she had what was described as sounding like a panic attack (hyperventilating and hysterics). When she was released from the hospital she appeared at the vigil that night in a wheelchair. I do not think she has been seen in one since then but I could be wrong. Likely she is heavily sedated and having difficulties walking at some times from the medication, imho.

 

[cluciano63]

Until recently, Websleuths did not allow articles from "gather" and "examiner" to be posted, as they are not mainstream media, just a compilation of loosely-construed "facts" from internet writers. Not sure when it became allowed to use these articles as sources...

 

[elmomom]

Until recently, Websleuths did not allow articles from "gather" and "examiner" to be posted, as they are not mainstream media, just a compilation of loosely-construed "facts" from internet writers. Not sure when it became allowed to use these articles as sources...

Yes, I've been scratching my head at that. Neither of these is a "primary" news source, and more like a badly re-written daily digest of published facts.

 

[Magdalyn]

I would love to know more about the bag. Was it a suitcase type bag, was it a grocery bag? I am sure it holds a lot of answers. jmo

I think 'the bag' the diver was sent to check out may have been Celina. Either in a bag or just looking like a bag to the person observing from above the water.

I'm just not imagining the perp dumped the victim and a bag of potential evidence ... and they floated along together/stayed together toward the dam.

But I'm wrong about somethin' daily and this could be that time! :crazy:

 

[MsFacetious]

I agree. It was like they were speaking at the one year memorial for a girl who died from cancer. There was no anger or fear or outrage about her vicious murder. They were gracious though.

I didn't have a problem with the girls doing the float. But I think Mom should have watched from the sidelines maybe. But who knows, maybe my daughter could have convinced me to ride along as well, if it was something that important to her.

I see parents and communities who have just lost children suddenly who are calm all the time. "It was his time to go, God wanted him back. "
They aren't hysterical, they accept it was that kid's time to die and move on. Car seat, helmet, gun safe, supervision near water... wouldn't help.
It was just his time to die. Do I understand it? No. It often infuriates me actually.

I do remember in other cases here... hearing "how can she let her other child out of her sight when she has already lost one?!"

Maybe Celina's Mom is rethinking everything she did as a parent.
Maybe she is regretting things, wishing she'd done them differently, wishing she had been more protective.
Maybe she believes that she allowed the danger near her children.

Maybe she realizes her 11 year old daughter was taken out of her home and likely murdered.
Maybe she doesn't want to let her 13 year old daughter out of her sight by sitting on the sidelines, for fear of losing her too. Rational or not.

Maybe she didn't want to sit on the sidelines and have to talk to other people. No talking really on the float.


I doubt that Celina would have wanted the festival canceled and I think she would have (secretly) thought the float for her was pretty awesome.

We have parents with missing or murdered children (reported or not) who are doing/selling drugs, getting arrested and partying in clubs.

Odd or not. I'm not going to criticize a family for doing too much, to honor, celebrate and pay tribute to their little girl.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Do you have a link to that? I must have missed that mom was gone during the night. I thought she left for work that morning and the shop opens at 9am.

Ah! It is entirely possible that I misunderstood.

 

[elepher50]

Picture of Celina:

 

[Chris_Texas]

My answers, in black

Thanks. Has any news outlet offered a source for the blanket wrapped body? Has any official source confirmed this?

 

[elmomom]

The memorial tonight is being referred to as a "celebration" of Celina's life. This is typical for New England and it will be a joyous, not a somber event. This type of "party", if you will, is very commonplace around here. Even the wakes here are no longer somber, mournful affairs. They are respectful, but there's also a lot of laughing, joking, etc. The festival honoring Celina was right in line with what has become fairly traditional here.

The wakes that my extended family have had over the years have become more celebratory in nature. There is a difference how my generation does things vs the older one and they way they did it. Of course, nowadays I only see most of my extended family at wakes, so it is more conducive being a family get-together of sorts.

But, recently, a distant cousin of mine lost a child in an accident. The wak was extremely mournful, and none if us felt celebratory of this life that had been cut so short and for no reason.

Everyone grieves differently and customs do vary, but I do hope that those who loved CC are afforded the time and the space to grieve, no matter the wishes of others.

 

[elmomom]

Thanks. Has any news outlet offered a source for the blanket wrapped body? Has any official source confirmed this?

A Reliable Source. Called Source for short

If it were one local small town paper I would be wishy washy, first it seemed like there was a rumor, but one station (WBZ the CBS affiliate) in Boston broke the story and it was later reported again in 2 other places, the Herald I believe being one, almost immediately. In both cases the wording led me to believe that the information was not just being re-quoted from WBZ, but that it had been vetted or independently verified in some way. So I think it's from an official, unofficially.

 

[Gardenlady]

Seeing those pics of Celinas mom on the float, I again think she appears sedated, and barely there, and certainly grieving. I don't see her, or even the girls, as being "celebratory" at all. I think Celina's sis wanted to do this float for her sister that she loved, and it looks like Mom is going along to be there for her both her daughters. Perhaps she is so medicated that she's just following suggestions from others, at this point?

I see nothing joyous, or disrespectful of Celina, or party-ish about any of the pics. I see a mom who is obviously grieving, and a few girls who are trying to remember their beloved sister and friend the best way they can figure out how to.

 

[Darcyline]

GardenLady-that makes it even worse to me for feeling sad for her. She looks sedated, heartbroken, and almost propped up. I feel like she shouldn't even be there-she should be privately grieving somewhere. Of course, it was her choice? She just does not look well to me in the videos/pictures.

 

[elepher50]

Celina ... innocent child ... know you are loved and may lady justice not only be patient but also persistent. You are a princess and now I join in celebrating your life via virtual medium.

 

[tambo]

Are the services going on right now? Or have they already ended?

 

[Pensfan]

I would love to know more about the bag. Was it a suitcase type bag, was it a grocery bag? I am sure it holds a lot of answers. jmo

Did KM play hockey (requires a big bag)?

 

[HeinekenMan]

The blanket/sheet story could be false or partly incorrect. It could be a ploy. It could be purposefully fabricated to cause some sort of reaction from the perpetrator. It also could be completely true. I would lean toward it being true.

Since we don't know for sure, we can only speculate. For what it's worth, I've met lots of reporters would snag something from another paper and pass it off as their own fact. Some reporters even think "source" can be another newspaper. Some media simply use the information and then attribute it to the original source. Technically, that's the correct approach. If I was trying to determine the validity of the information, I'd only look at the original source.