NH NH - Elizabeth Marriott, 19, Durham, 9 Oct 2012 - # 1 *S. Mazzaglia guilty*

[deathtracker]

I agree that the death of Lizzi and Debbie Dockham are not directly connected—except they both died under ‘unusual’ circumstances.

I do want to say, with all due respect to evryone’s opinion that there should be no difference in the investigation of a supposed street person who may have been troubled and a college student—MOO.

I know this thread is a place for Lizzi. However, to make my point and not beat the poor horse I just would like to draw attention to the difference in the investigations.

Lizzi has friends and family who care for her. Her case is heavily investigated and prominently defended as every ‘unusual’ death should be. IMO all are not as prominent and in fact are quietly forgotten ????.

Debbie had a son, father and many people who spoke fondly of her despite her lifestyle/persona.
Her case is still under investigation—quietly.

For more than 30 years women in excess of 100 have disappeared, died, and been murdered without answers in situations I won’t dredge here.

Yet, still we look on to these ‘unusual’ deaths where hell and high water are crossed to keep information quiet and still where others just seem to slip away.

All the above is my own opinion with respect for LE and the families of those who have lost.
:banghead:

 

[hellinor]

There are so many questions and no answers. How did Lizzie get to Dover? How did her car get back to UNH? Who dumped her body? And why Portsmouth? We have a river(s) right here in Dover, why risk driving all that way with a dead body?

Respectfully snipped by me.

I am a ways back in the thread and this may have been covered, but it was mentioned he was a fan of Dexter. I have seen the show and Dexter always dumped his bodies into the ocean (He lives in Miami). This was always done from a boat, a method a botanophobe would be comfortable with? After a few seasons of the show, Dexter's "underwater graveyard" is discovered and he begins traveling out further, directly over the gulf stream to take advantage of this flow. I wonder if this guy did research regarding tides? Thus chosing this bay?

 

[Mom24]

I agree that the death of Lizzi and Debbie Dockham are not directly connected—except they both died under ‘unusual’ circumstances.

I do want to say, with all due respect to evryone’s opinion that there should be no difference in the investigation of a supposed street person who may have been troubled and a college student—MOO.

I know this thread is a place for Lizzi. However, to make my point and not beat the poor horse I just would like to draw attention to the difference in the investigations.

Lizzi has friends and family who care for her. Her case is heavily investigated and prominently defended as every ‘unusual’ death should be. IMO all are not as prominent and in fact are quietly forgotten ????.

Debbie had a son, father and many people who spoke fondly of her despite her lifestyle/persona.
Her case is still under investigation—quietly.

For more than 30 years women in excess of 100 have disappeared, died, and been murdered without answers in situations I won’t dredge here.

Yet, still we look on to these ‘unusual’ deaths where hell and high water are crossed to keep information quiet and still where others just seem to slip away.

All the above is my own opinion with respect for LE and the families of those who have lost.
:banghead:

I get where you're coming from Death. I think the difference here is that Lizzi was reported missing, someone confessed to the killing and finding the body might make the difference between a guy claiming it was an accident due to sex games and putting a dangerous criminal behind bars so he can't hurt another girl.
Debbie hasn't slipped away, though and it's good that people like you continue to bring it up and make people think again. Hopefully someone will come forward at some time and say what happened.
Thing that is interesting about the two cases for me is that Debbie floated and Lizzi hasn't been found. Is flotation times different for someone already deceased before they enter the water?

 

[Mom24]

Have any of the search and rescue groups been asked to assist by LE? TIA

I don't know. I assume the group last week with the dogs was asked?

 

[reedus23]

I don't know. I assume the group last week with the dogs was asked?

Thanks. I just wasn't sure if those were LE or a private group like Equusearch or and equivalent.

 

[Elainera]

I get where you're coming from Death. I think the difference here is that Lizzi was reported missing, someone confessed to the killing and finding the body might make the difference between a guy claiming it was an accident due to sex games and putting a dangerous criminal behind bars so he can't hurt another girl.
Debbie hasn't slipped away, though and it's good that people like you continue to bring it up and make people think again. Hopefully someone will come forward at some time and say what happened.
Thing that is interesting about the two cases for me is that Debbie floated and Lizzi hasn't been found. Is flotation times different for someone already deceased before they enter the water?

bbm

Maybe he weighed her down?

 

[McSpy]

I get where you're coming from Death. I think the difference here is that Lizzi was reported missing, someone confessed to the killing and finding the body might make the difference between a guy claiming it was an accident due to sex games and putting a dangerous criminal behind bars so he can't hurt another girl.
Debbie hasn't slipped away, though and it's good that people like you continue to bring it up and make people think again. Hopefully someone will come forward at some time and say what happened.
Thing that is interesting about the two cases for me is that Debbie floated and Lizzi hasn't been found. Is flotation times different for someone already deceased before they enter the water?

It probably depends on the time of day (tide) and exactly where she was placed in the water. Maybe it was an out going tide when they placed Lizzi in the water and the other woman was in the water at an incoming tide where her body may have washed up on the shore. Time of year makes a difference too. There are more boaters and recreational fisherman around to find bodies during the warmer weather. Just some thoughts.

 

[deathtracker]

I get where you're coming from Death. I think the difference here is that Lizzi was reported missing, someone confessed to the killing and finding the body might make the difference between a guy claiming it was an accident due to sex games and putting a dangerous criminal behind bars so he can't hurt another girl.
Debbie hasn't slipped away, though and it's good that people like you continue to bring it up and make people think again. Hopefully someone will come forward at some time and say what happened.
Thing that is interesting about the two cases for me is that Debbie floated and Lizzi hasn't been found. Is flotation times different for someone already deceased before they enter the water?

If some one is dead and placed in the water—not breathing, the air trapped in the lungs will keep them afloat for a time.

Each individual is different in when they sink, float sometime sink and rise once again.

Metabolism, water temp, rate of decomp all vary. Even sometimes directed by the persons last meal or drink.

Debbie Dockham was found in the river. In April the river or ocean waters are quite cold.

If I am not mistaken CPR was administered to Debbie D. as it was believed she was not in the water very long.

The water gives up the dead differently each time. But first you have to believe Lizzi was placed in the water.

And then there are texts, her vehicle and all that we don’t know.

All my own opinion with great respect for those lost.

 

[Mom24]

So it's all confusing as to whether she was put in the water or not. Do boats keeps logs? I mean if a small fishing vessel goes out does it have to log time left or would anyone know if a small fishing boat had been taken for a small ride?

 

[deathtracker]

I do agree that circumstances around the activities prior to Lizzi's death may be a bit uncomfortable for her family and others to realize.

But truth be told will appear with information provided. MOO

I still, in all my readings, have not gotten aname of the credible source that puts her in the water and it makes no sense to me--please inform me if I'm wrong on this info.

If he (the Accused) confessed to and or professed to placing Lizzi's body anywhere and he is the credible source, IMO it's pretty shaky info.

at this point I believe more information can be granted to the public and I dont mean all the sexual crap and innuendo that some thrive on.

There have to be other clues, situations or facts in this case that speak to motive. Yet it is all kept close to the vest...

I just realized I sat here and scratched my own head and thinking how can it be.

All of the above is MOO with great respect for LE and especialy those who have lost.:waitasec:

 

[bstnh1]

I will be really surprised if the Judge releases anything in this case. The PD is still investigating it and there still may be additional arrest(s). The Grand Jury has to hear the case first and I do think that if some of the details are released it may change the opinions of some.

Regardless if this was some sort of sexual game, he caused a death and he should pay for that. I really do not want to see this end up as a manslaughter case.

We don't have much information yet. But based on what's been told in the press, I don't see how this case can wind up being anything but manslaughter if the death was truly accidental during sex.

 

[McSpy]

I do agree that circumstances around the activities prior to Lizzi's death may be a bit uncomfortable for her family and others to realize.

But truth be told will appear with information provided. MOO

I still, in all my readings, have not gotten aname of the credible source that puts her in the water and it makes no sense to me--please inform me if I'm wrong on this info.

If he (the Accused) confessed to and or professed to placing Lizzi's body anywhere and he is the credible source, IMO it's pretty shaky info.

at this point I believe more information can be granted to the public and I dont mean all the sexual crap and innuendo that some thrive on.

There have to be other clues, situations or facts in this case that speak to motive. Yet it is all kept close to the vest...

I just realized I sat here and scratched my own head and thinking how can it be.

All of the above is MOO with great respect for LE and especialy those who have lost.:waitasec:

Seems there were at least 2 others involved. One or both may have confessed on what happened. They were probably questioned separately, which makes it possible that both or all three (Seth, his bro and girlfriend) told the same or similar story. For example, the girlfriend may have said that Seth and his brother took off to to the waterfront near Portsmouth with Lizzi's body. The brother may have said to LE that he and Seth took Lizzi's body to Peirce Island. It makes it a credible possibility of the location of where her body was disposed when the story appears the same by all or several involved. I do have a feeling one or both (bro or girlfriend) told what they knew to police. This is all speculation---no fact.

 

[katydid23]

I agree with people who say that young people experiment sexually, and may try having a 3-some, consensually. That makes sense.

But what doesn't make sense, is a young girl going from a college class, already after 9 pm, on a weeknight, calling home to say she will be home at midnight, and then going to an 'orgy' an hour away. THAT makes no sense to me.

She was a beautiful, intelligent young girl. Why would she decide, on a weeknight, sober as can be, to drive to an apartment to have group sex with a fat, broke, older theatre geek and his friends?

I jiust don't believe it would happen that way. If it was a Friday night and she was out with attractive friends her own age, and they were partying, then I could see someone convincing her to give it a try. But no way imo, was she planning on having sex with him and his swinger buddies when she agreed to stop by that night. JMO

 

[deathtracker]

Seems there were at least 2 others involved. One or both may have confessed on what happened. They were probably questioned separately, which makes it possible that both or all three (Seth, his bro and girlfriend) told the same or similar story. For example, the girlfriend may have said that Seth and his brother took off to to the waterfront near Portsmouth with Lizzi's body. The brother may have said to LE that he and Seth took Lizzi's body to Peirce Island. It makes it a credible possibility of the location of where her body was disposed when the story appears the same by all or several involved. I do have a feeling one or both (bro or girlfriend) told what they knew to police. This is all speculation---no fact.

Plausable theory. But if the gf said they took off with Lizi's body, I think more persons than Seth would be under arrest even if she rolled and ratted on the brother and Seth, the brother would be charged as well IMO.

Seems if all theses folks had a story, even it was a different story, LE would be working in other areas to prove guilt not just fishing the waters for LIzzi. Why would they need her body other than for the decency for the family if they had some solid evidence to make arrests.

I still have too many questions to go to the water and there are way to many unspoken points such as her vehicle, text etc

 

[JaimeSommers]

Do any of the local folks know if, by chance, Lizzi knew Seth's brother? Past posts referenced him possibly being there that night. Purely speculating, but what if Seth's girlfriend (who knew Lizzi through Target) was trying to fix Lizzi up with the brother? Maybe Lizzi thought she was walking into an innocent "you should meet my boyfriend's brother" thing, and Seth (or both brothers) had other ideas.

Just kicking around different things while waiting for a connecting flight.

 

[Hap]

I walked Peirce Island this weekend, both hoping and fearful of finding something - anything to help find Lizzi. It is a beautiful place. It is hard to imagine anyone driving in there, parking, and carrying a body up a path (in the dark) without anyone spotting them. There is just one road in and out, and as others have said, police monitor that area frequently.

There is quite a dropoff into the water from what I believe is Lookout Point. The currents are very strong and I can see why someone who knows that area would easily see that a body (or anything) could be swept away forever from there. There are many rocks in the water too, and frankly it was quite chilling to stand there.

There are many, many people walking their dogs on the paths around the island (it's really a small place) and I'm sure most of us were also looking for any sign of Lizzi. What I wouldn't have given to see the glitter of a necklace.... anything to help find her.

Hoping something is found soon.

 

[Mom24]

I walked Peirce Island this weekend, both hoping and fearful of finding something - anything to help find Lizzi. It is a beautiful place. It is hard to imagine anyone driving in there, parking, and carrying a body up a path (in the dark) without anyone spotting them. There is just one road in and out, and as others have said, police monitor that area frequently.

There is quite a dropoff into the water from what I believe is Lookout Point. The currents are very strong and I can see why someone who knows that area would easily see that a body (or anything) could be swept away forever from there. There are many rocks in the water too, and frankly it was quite chilling to stand there.

There are many, many people walking their dogs on the paths around the island (it's really a small place) and I'm sure most of us were also looking for any sign of Lizzi. What I wouldn't have given to see the glitter of a necklace.... anything to help find her.

Hoping something is found soon.

And at night it's busy too. The teenagers, or at least a certain group of them, go down there to engage in illicit activity. I just don't see how anyone could carry another person that far without being seen. It's too risky. That's why I asked about the boat. I've never watched Dexter, but someone said that the premise of the show is a man who is a serial killer who uses a boat to dispose of the bodies and this is a show that Seth liked. We have fishing boats all over the place and Seth's girlfriend's family have a small fishing boat, which is why he may have chosen her for a girlfriend. What I wondered is if small commercial fishing boats have to keep travel logs or if anyone would know if one had been moved. It's all conjecture on my part, but it would make sense. And it would seem that someone had to help him carry Lizzi and bring her vehicle back to UNH, maybe if that same person had access to a boat, then???? I don't know it just made me wonder about it.

 

[McSpy]

I walked Peirce Island this weekend, both hoping and fearful of finding something - anything to help find Lizzi. It is a beautiful place. It is hard to imagine anyone driving in there, parking, and carrying a body up a path (in the dark) without anyone spotting them. There is just one road in and out, and as others have said, police monitor that area frequently.

There is quite a dropoff into the water from what I believe is Lookout Point. The currents are very strong and I can see why someone who knows that area would easily see that a body (or anything) could be swept away forever from there. There are many rocks in the water too, and frankly it was quite chilling to stand there.

There are many, many people walking their dogs on the paths around the island (it's really a small place) and I'm sure most of us were also looking for any sign of Lizzi. What I wouldn't have given to see the glitter of a necklace.... anything to help find her.

Hoping something is found soon.

What time of day did you go there?

 

[McSpy]

And at night it's busy too. The teenagers, or at least a certain group of them, go down there to engage in illicit activity. I just don't see how anyone could carry another person that far without being seen. It's too risky. That's why I asked about the boat. I've never watched Dexter, but someone said that the premise of the show is a man who is a serial killer who uses a boat to dispose of the bodies and this is a show that Seth liked. We have fishing boats all over the place and Seth's girlfriend's family have a small fishing boat, which is why he may have chosen her for a girlfriend. What I wondered is if small commercial fishing boats have to keep travel logs or if anyone would know if one had been moved. It's all conjecture on my part, but it would make sense. And it would seem that someone had to help him carry Lizzi and bring her vehicle back to UNH, maybe if that same person had access to a boat, then???? I don't know it just made me wonder about it.

I don't know if commercial fishermen need to keep logs, but some boaters keep logs for maintenance reasons. Sometimes it is easier to keep track of those issues when written down with dates. There are many systems on boats (water, plumbing, head (toilet, tank), engine, electrical, electronics, thru-hulls and hull integrity, etc.) I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet commercial fisherman don't need to log every move they make. I'll see if I can find anything on it. JMO

 

[McSpy]

Here is NH's commercial fisherman regulations:

http://www.eregulations.com/newhamp...r/commercial-saltwater-fishing—finfish/

Commercial Fisherman also need to do this report as well:

http://www.nero.noaa.gov/ro/fso/vtr_inst.pdf

It looks like they need to inform several authorities of their catch, but I don't think they are restricted on the use of their boats. In other words, a short boat ride would not be a violation of their license. This is how it looks to me. JMO